Re: RE: Question for Albertans (or anyone who wants to contr
The resources belong to the provinces, not the federal government.
Ocean Breeze said:
The resources belong to the provinces, not the federal government.
Question for Albertans (or anyone who wants to contribute)
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Re: Question for Albertans (or anyone who wants to contribut
If that is what you want, then you'll find about 12.5 million people in Ontario that will support you all the way. Somehow though, the message doesn't come across that way, it gets tainted.
bluealberta said:
If that is what you want, then you'll find about 12.5 million people in Ontario that will support you all the way. Somehow though, the message doesn't come across that way, it gets tainted.
RE: Question for Albertan
Alberta went bust because of poor management. It's what happens when you put Conservatives in charge.
Alberta went bust because of poor management. It's what happens when you put Conservatives in charge.
Re: RE: Question for Albertan
Yes, the NDP have such a wonderful record in Ontario and BC.
Alberta didn't go bust. Stop being silly.
Reverend Blair said:
Yes, the NDP have such a wonderful record in Ontario and BC.
Alberta didn't go bust. Stop being silly.
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Which just proves your total ignorance about what happened in the early 80's in Alberta.
Funny though how the province became very rich with those same conservatives in charge.
Little history: Lougheed becomes premier, encourages oil exploration, province does very well, gets uppity in the eyes of the eastern liberals, who then invoke NEP on Alberta, Alberta has major problems, Mulroney gets elected, gets rid of NEP, Getty is premier and even with him, Alberta improves, but incurs debt. Ralph becomes premier, sets out to pay off debt and get costs under control in 1993. 12 years later: No debt, lowest income and corporate tax, no sales tax, highest standard of living.
Only blip in history from 1971: Deliberate rape by Trudeau. A Liberal. An idiot and asshole.
And you wonder why we dont and wont vote liberal federally and very little provincially? Fool us once, shame on you. Fool us twice...well it hasn't happened and is not about to happen.
Reverend Blair said:
Which just proves your total ignorance about what happened in the early 80's in Alberta.
Funny though how the province became very rich with those same conservatives in charge.
Little history: Lougheed becomes premier, encourages oil exploration, province does very well, gets uppity in the eyes of the eastern liberals, who then invoke NEP on Alberta, Alberta has major problems, Mulroney gets elected, gets rid of NEP, Getty is premier and even with him, Alberta improves, but incurs debt. Ralph becomes premier, sets out to pay off debt and get costs under control in 1993. 12 years later: No debt, lowest income and corporate tax, no sales tax, highest standard of living.
Only blip in history from 1971: Deliberate rape by Trudeau. A Liberal. An idiot and asshole.
And you wonder why we dont and wont vote liberal federally and very little provincially? Fool us once, shame on you. Fool us twice...well it hasn't happened and is not about to happen.
Re: Question for Albertans (or anyone who wants to contribut
If you are not hearing it, its because you are not listening, with all due respect. It seems that only recently has the Ontario government started to complain about transfer payment inequities, which Alberta has complained about for years. It is odd to hear an Alberta viewpoint coming out of an Ontario liberal premiers mouth, but thats what it sounds like out here.
If Alberta and Ontario could actually get together, the pressure they could put on the feds is enormous, and would actually help this country.
And with all respect again, sometimes the message is tainted by the liberal media doing the reporting.
DasFX said:
If you are not hearing it, its because you are not listening, with all due respect. It seems that only recently has the Ontario government started to complain about transfer payment inequities, which Alberta has complained about for years. It is odd to hear an Alberta viewpoint coming out of an Ontario liberal premiers mouth, but thats what it sounds like out here.
If Alberta and Ontario could actually get together, the pressure they could put on the feds is enormous, and would actually help this country.
And with all respect again, sometimes the message is tainted by the liberal media doing the reporting.
Re: Question for Albertans (or anyone who wants to contribut
Hey, bull-boy, you said you were from Saskatchewan. The NDP there are still cleaning up the mess that Devine and his gang of criminals left behind them. Maybe you can explain how your friends took a province that was in the black and dragged it the verge of bankruptcy in eight years? Maybe you can explain why some of them went to prison after they were kicked out of office?
Stay in Florida, we don't want you back.
Hey, bull-boy, you said you were from Saskatchewan. The NDP there are still cleaning up the mess that Devine and his gang of criminals left behind them. Maybe you can explain how your friends took a province that was in the black and dragged it the verge of bankruptcy in eight years? Maybe you can explain why some of them went to prison after they were kicked out of office?
Stay in Florida, we don't want you back.
Re: Question for Albertans (or anyone who wants to contribut
Such a friendly and tolerant socialist.
Reverend Blair said:
Such a friendly and tolerant socialist.
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I'm not from Sask and unlike you, I will not comment on things I don't know about.
Reverend Blair said:
I'm not from Sask and unlike you, I will not comment on things I don't know about.
Re: RE: Question for Albertan
Alberta did go bust in the early 80's, I know I was there for a couple years.
Even though the NDP appeared to screw up BC, they had some bad advice on the Fast Ferries. The anti NDP press out here went out of their way to rake Clark over the coals. Plus Clark unlike Campbell was never convicted of doing anything illegal.
But if Glen Clark was so bad (as many people claim), why did Jimmy Pattison, the richest fellow in BC hire him then? He never became rich by hiring idiots.
But that being said they did pay more for ferries than we would of sending the work offshore, but so what, the important thing was they kept the jobs in BC and not sending the work to Poland and Germany like Campbell is doing. And I for one do not mind paying extra if the work is kept here.
Toro said:
Alberta did go bust in the early 80's, I know I was there for a couple years.
Even though the NDP appeared to screw up BC, they had some bad advice on the Fast Ferries. The anti NDP press out here went out of their way to rake Clark over the coals. Plus Clark unlike Campbell was never convicted of doing anything illegal.
But if Glen Clark was so bad (as many people claim), why did Jimmy Pattison, the richest fellow in BC hire him then? He never became rich by hiring idiots.
But that being said they did pay more for ferries than we would of sending the work offshore, but so what, the important thing was they kept the jobs in BC and not sending the work to Poland and Germany like Campbell is doing. And I for one do not mind paying extra if the work is kept here.
Re: RE: Question for Albertan
AGAIN:
Alberta went bust as you call it for one simple reason; THE NEP. No other reason at all. Trudeau targetted one province and one industry, and then proceeded to rape it, driving all the rigs out of the province. I know. I watched them go down the highway to Coutts, why? Because the price was artificially held down by an arrogant liberal prime minister and government making it unfeasible for the rigs to stay.. Yet despite that intentional rape, Alberta has recovered, through provincial programs, not federal programs, and the rigs and industry came back. And if anyone says otherwise, they are lieing through their teeth, and trivializing those who lost their jobs, careers, homes, families, and in some cases their lives. Don't you dare marginalize them, they did not then and do not deserve it now
no1important said:
AGAIN:
Alberta went bust as you call it for one simple reason; THE NEP. No other reason at all. Trudeau targetted one province and one industry, and then proceeded to rape it, driving all the rigs out of the province. I know. I watched them go down the highway to Coutts, why? Because the price was artificially held down by an arrogant liberal prime minister and government making it unfeasible for the rigs to stay.. Yet despite that intentional rape, Alberta has recovered, through provincial programs, not federal programs, and the rigs and industry came back. And if anyone says otherwise, they are lieing through their teeth, and trivializing those who lost their jobs, careers, homes, families, and in some cases their lives. Don't you dare marginalize them, they did not then and do not deserve it now
RE: Question for Albertan
I've heard different versions of that story, Blue. You had a guaranteed market at a guanteed price and played political games instead. You had made promises to the oil companies that you couldn't keep.
There is far more than your narrow version of events, but your hatred and narrow-minded bullheadedness won't let you consider them. As a result you are now throwing away your political voice in this country and blaming that on somebody else too.
I've heard different versions of that story, Blue. You had a guaranteed market at a guanteed price and played political games instead. You had made promises to the oil companies that you couldn't keep.
There is far more than your narrow version of events, but your hatred and narrow-minded bullheadedness won't let you consider them. As a result you are now throwing away your political voice in this country and blaming that on somebody else too.
RE: Question for Albertan
The government of Alberta did not go bust.
The economy of Alberta is dependent on oil. Oil is a volatile commodity. During the early 80s, oil got as high as $100 in today's dollars. Oil had never been that high before. Nobody had ever seen prices like that. Everyone thought there'd be an energy crisis and oil would never fall back down again. So people made decisions based in this environment. When oil came plummeting back down, it became apparent that people overbuilt. The economy contracted. This is a common occurence in a cyclical economy, and it may be happening again in Alberta. But the province didn't go bust.
The government of Alberta did not go bust.
The economy of Alberta is dependent on oil. Oil is a volatile commodity. During the early 80s, oil got as high as $100 in today's dollars. Oil had never been that high before. Nobody had ever seen prices like that. Everyone thought there'd be an energy crisis and oil would never fall back down again. So people made decisions based in this environment. When oil came plummeting back down, it became apparent that people overbuilt. The economy contracted. This is a common occurence in a cyclical economy, and it may be happening again in Alberta. But the province didn't go bust.
RE: Question for Albertan
I saw on Rob TV Thursday that oil may "super spike" to $105 a barrel and if that happened people would really start to conserve and oil would take a dive as there would be to much supply and lack of demand.
Personally I think it wont go above 60 and should settle in the 40's by September. I may be wrong but thats what I think.
I saw on Rob TV Thursday that oil may "super spike" to $105 a barrel and if that happened people would really start to conserve and oil would take a dive as there would be to much supply and lack of demand.
Personally I think it wont go above 60 and should settle in the 40's by September. I may be wrong but thats what I think.
Re: RE: Question for Albertan
Historically, when inventories have been at this level, oil has been $20 a barrell. What's driving the price has been demand, which is higher than normal. China and excess liquidity in the monetary system have caused this demand. We may see $100 but often times, when you see such a pronouncement, in retrospect, its the top of the price.
no1important said:
Historically, when inventories have been at this level, oil has been $20 a barrell. What's driving the price has been demand, which is higher than normal. China and excess liquidity in the monetary system have caused this demand. We may see $100 but often times, when you see such a pronouncement, in retrospect, its the top of the price.
Re: Question for Albertans (or anyone who wants to contribut
Hey, Toro...you never responded to my question about the Devine government. Why not?
Hey, Toro...you never responded to my question about the Devine government. Why not?
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What question was that?
Reverend Blair said:
What question was that?
Re: Question for Albertans (or anyone who wants to contribut
You're damn rights you don't want me back. I'm your worst nightmare. I'd crush you and the other International Socialists.
When the NDP left office, oil has fallen, potash had fallen, wheat had fallen in price. The NDP were great beneficiaries of the commodity price inflation in the 1970s. The Devine govenment, in an attempt to diversify the economy, borrowed to fund a heavy oil upgrader and a dam in Devine's constituency, amongst other things. They also borrowed massively to prop up farmers who were seeing some of the worst prices for commodities in a long time. The government cut taxes, specifically gas taxes, and subsidized homebuilding (a promise the NDP promised to match BTW). Devine gave grants to savers in a government-subsidized savings fund. This caused the government to go heavily in debt. Then that small-c conservative, Roy Romanow, cleaned it up
Reverend Blair said:
You're damn rights you don't want me back. I'm your worst nightmare. I'd crush you and the other International Socialists.
When the NDP left office, oil has fallen, potash had fallen, wheat had fallen in price. The NDP were great beneficiaries of the commodity price inflation in the 1970s. The Devine govenment, in an attempt to diversify the economy, borrowed to fund a heavy oil upgrader and a dam in Devine's constituency, amongst other things. They also borrowed massively to prop up farmers who were seeing some of the worst prices for commodities in a long time. The government cut taxes, specifically gas taxes, and subsidized homebuilding (a promise the NDP promised to match BTW). Devine gave grants to savers in a government-subsidized savings fund. This caused the government to go heavily in debt. Then that small-c conservative, Roy Romanow, cleaned it up