Quebec Govt mandating religious beliefs or not?

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Quebec Govt mandating religious beliefs or not?

A recent ruling by the Quebec Superior Court upheld the right of the Prov Govt to mandate the teaching of Ethics and Religion – That in itself is fine and I do agree but teaching that all are the same – equal and correct is a violation of freedom of religious belief or the freedom to not believe – My opinion-

Teaching about other religions and their ethics and moral codes is fine but it cannot interfere with ones own belief or non belief – Difficult to achieve – Yes – Impossible No –

Trudeau once stated that the Govt has no role in the bedroom – Well that applies more so to Religion.

http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/story.html?id=1991010
What could possibly be wrong with children gaining a general knowledge of the world's major religions and the differences among them?
Plenty, if the government requires that children be taught that all religions, and all non-religious moral codes, have equal merit.
If Quebec's goal were merely to save children from religious and cultural ignorance, it would tolerate a diversity of methods for achieving that goal. But no such tolerance has been extended to Loyola High School, a private Catholic school in Montreal. Its curriculum already included information about the world's other major religions, but in keeping with its mission and values, Loyola teaches its students that Roman Catholicism is actually true and ought to be adhered to. Quebec says such instruction is unacceptable because it is not "even-handed."
Since virtually every religion and moral code includes as one of its tenets a belief in its superiority over rival systems (or else why adhere to it?), Quebec's insistence on even-handedness is tantamount to compelling every teacher of religion or morality to deny or contradict some part of his creed. Why should teachers be forced into such hypocrisy in a country whose constitution -- in Section 2 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms -- guarantees freedom of conscience, religion, thought, belief, opinion and expression?
 

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Re: Catholic School Refusal to Comply

A Catholic school has the right to refuse to meet the requests and expectations of the Québec Ministry of Education—so long as it understands that the exercise of that right also means the end of funds provided by Her Majesty’s Government for Québec. It’s entirely appropriate for the Government to teach that each religion should be given equal respect; as far as I have read, the Government has not told students that they must become or adhere to any of the religions included in the program.
 

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A Catholic school has the right to refuse to meet the requests and expectations of the Québec Ministry of Education—so long as it understands that the exercise of that right also means the end of funds provided by Her Majesty’s Government for Québec. It’s entirely appropriate for the Government to teach that each religion should be given equal respect; as far as I have read, the Government has not told students that they must become or adhere to any of the religions included in the program.

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As I stated it is a difficult topic to teach and I agree it should be taught but does the Govt have the right to tell your children that all religions are the same? Or should they explain the differences and the commonalities that many share.
Your thoughts are?
 

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I very much doubt that teachers are instructing students that all religions are the “same”—however, they should instruct that all religions, for the purpose of society, are “equal”. (That is, each religion has the same protection under law, and should be respected—but not adhered to—by everyone.)
 

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I very much doubt that teachers are instructing students that all religions are the “same”—however, they should instruct that all religions, for the purpose of society, are “equal”. (That is, each religion has the same protection under law, and should be respected—but not adhered to—by everyone.)

FiveParadox – Then perhaps having a copy of what is instructed is the key to this – Equality protection to believe or not is integral to our freedom of choice. But the article states that the Loyala schools cannot do this. Perhaps you have a way of obtaining this. Would it be posted on the internet, perhaps? I am more than willing to search and would appreciate your assistance on this please.
 

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I think the ruling is saying that just because you don't agree with curriculum it doesn't mean the school has to change it. If every parent had the right to dictate what gets taught it would be out of control. If someone doesn't like it, try home schooling or private school.
 

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I think the ruling is saying that just because you don't agree with curriculum it doesn't mean the school has to change it. If every parent had the right to dictate what gets taught it would be out of control. If someone doesn't like it, try home schooling or private school.

Or vouchers?
 

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But actually I do agree with compulsory courses in world religions as they help to break down religious prejudices.

I was being a little tongue-in cheek above with the voucher comment. Though I do support the idea of vouchers, I also support the idea of compulsory education in the world's religions, at least in any school that receives any government funding, be it direct or through vouchers.
 

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I think the ruling is saying that just because you don't agree with curriculum it doesn't mean the school has to change it. If every parent had the right to dictate what gets taught it would be out of control. If someone doesn't like it, try home schooling or private school.

Isn't that happening in Alberta?
 

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I would like to see religion not taught at all till the student gets to an age that he or she can choose of his own accord. Probably never hahah. but anyways .
It's all brainwashing . History too is an iffy subject as it is interpreted of who's right and who's wrong. Stick to the basics , reading writing Math.
 

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The goals of this program look pretty decent to me...

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What could possibly be wrong with children gaining a general knowledge of the world's major religions and the differences among them?
Plenty, if the government requires that children be taught that all religions, and all non-religious moral codes, have equal merit.
The above is from the article – The underlined portion is the concern – everything is the same, when it is not – Govt is then mandating beliefs – teaching about differences and what many religions have in common is needed in my opinion –

The below is from my original post.

Teaching about other religions and their ethics and moral codes is fine but it cannot interfere with ones own belief or non belief – Difficult to achieve – Yes – Impossible No –

Is this program controversial – Yes – Can and should it be done – YES.