Photos show German soldiers in Afghanistan posing with a skull

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German troops in skull photos row



Bild published the pictures under the heading "Shock photos"


Photos apparently showing German troops posing with a skull in Afghanistan have caused outrage in Germany.

The tabloid newspaper Bild, which carried the photos, says they show German troops in Afghanistan in 2003.

On one of the pictures, a soldier is seen holding the skull next to his exposed penis, on another soldiers pose with the skull on their jeep.

German chancellor Angela Merkel expressed disgust at the photos and said there would be full investigation.


3,000 German soldiers are in Afghanistan as part of the Nato peacekeeping mission. However, unlike the British and Americans, the Germans - like the French - are based in the relatively safe areas of Kabul and the north of the country




Two possible suspects have already been identified and are being questioned, said army chief of staff General Wolfgang Schneiderhan.

One of suspects was still with the armed forces and the other had left the army, the general said.

"We all saw pictures today that are shocking, that are repugnant and that can be excused by nothing," Chancellor Merkel said.

"The government will investigate the soldiers who played a role and act with full severity," she added.


'Criminal measures'
German Defence Minister Franz Josef Jung pledged "disciplinary or even criminal measures" for those involved, if the story was confirmed.

"Anyone who behaves this way has no place in the Bundeswehr [German military]," he added.

The story was given wide coverage on German television on Wednesday.

"We can't use such people in our army," Bernhard Gertz, head of the main organisation representing German troops, said on ARD television channel.

"We must investigate exactly how such degeneration and misbehaviour can happen despite good training and good supervision," he added.


Authenticity?
The Bild newspaper did not say how it had obtained the photographs, nor gave any proof of their authenticity.

It is not clear where the skull in the pictures came from, the newspaper admitted, adding that according to a military source it could have been taken from a mass grave.

Germany has about 2,800 troops stationed in Afghanistan within Nato's International Security Assistance Force (Isaf).

Unlike British, American and Canadian troops, who are fighting the Taleban in the south, the Germans are based in the relative calm of the capital Kabul and in the north of the country. Last month, the Bundestag, the lower house of the German parliament, voted to extend the mission of the German forces in Afghanistan until October next year because of the worsening security situation there.

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Depending on the outcome, this could be dispicable, but oh that fog of war. It can make good men do strange things. SH*T happens.
 

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If they can't handle, and war makes them do weird things, it they shouldn't be there then. You can't have some people going around and doing that kind of BS in a military operation.
 

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Sick war pictures that put Germany to shame

By ALLAN HALL in Berlin
25th October 2006




The headline says: 'German soldiers desecrate a dead person.'
An unidentified soldier smiles as he poses with the skull, while the Bild headline translates as 'German soldiers desecrate the dead'



German soldiers have caused international outrage after posing with a human skull in Afghanistan.

Chancellor Angela Merkel has pledged that the troops would be punished for desecrating the dead.

The macabre pictures were printed by Germany's biggestselling daily newspaper, Bild, which said they showed German peacekeepers near Kabul.

The uniformed men are seen holding up the skull and posing with it on a military vehicle. Another is seen exposing himself next to the skull. Bild's headline declares: 'German soldiers desecrate a dead person.'

Other pictures show soldiers simulating oral sex with the skull, and one shows the troops having secured the skull to their vehicle like a bonnet mascot.

The newspaper said it is unclear where the skull came from, but cited an unidentified serviceman as saying it may have come from a 'mass grave' outside Kabul.

Bild would not identify the source of the photos, which are believed to have been taken in 2003.
It said it is unclear whether the skull belonged to an Afghan or dated back to the Soviet occupation in the 1980s.

The publication of the photos caused a storm of protest, overtheshadowing the announcement that more German peacekeepers will serve across the world, after years of Berlin taking a cautious military role.

While British and U.S. soldiers have borne the brunt of recent fighting in southern Afghanistan, nearly 3,000 Germans are based in comparatively quiet Kabul and in the north of the country.

'We all saw pictures today that are shocking, that are repugnant and that can be excused by nothing,' Miss Merkel said during a speech in Berlin.

'The government will investigate soldiers who play a role and act with full severity.'

Defence Minister Franz Josef Jung added: 'We are conducting the investigation at full steam.'

If the incident is confirmed, he said, those involved will face ' disciplinary or even criminal measures'.

Military chief of staff General Wolfgang Schneiderhan said two possible suspects have been identified and were being questioned.

One of them is still with the military and the other has left the army, he said.

Prosecutors in Potsdam, where the military has its command centrefor deployments abroad, have opened an investigation into possible charges of disturbing the peace of the dead, a spokesman said.

Germany is proud of its post-Second World War military training rules, which urge soldiers to take responsibility for their actions.

Mr Jung said the incident shown in the photos is 'diametrically opposed to the values and ways of behaviour' that German troops are taught in training.

Germany currently has more than 2,800 troops in Nato's International Security Assistance Force, serving in Afghanistan's relatively calm North.

Mr Jung said he hoped the photos would not undermine efforts to win over Afghan civilians.

'So far, the mission we have been carrying out in the north has met with broad approval from the population,' he added.

The publication of the pictures came a week after lawmakers decided to investigate separate allegations that German special forces in Afghanistan abused a prisoner.

Murat Kurnaz, a German-born Turk, claimed that two soldiers interrogated him at a camp near the southern Afghan city of Kandahar in 2002 and slammed his head into the ground.

The Defence Ministry said that soldiers questioned about the allegations recalled the presence of a German speaker among prisoners they helped guard near Kandahar - but that the only contact they remembered was a soldier calling out to the man.
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****Two Israeli warplanes fired over a German navy ship patrolling the Lebanese coast, the Defence Ministry in Berlin said yesterday.

Der Tagesspiegel newspaper quoted a German defence minister telling a parliamentary committee that two Israeli F-16 fighters flew low over the ship and fired twice.

The jets activated infra-red counter-measures, he said.

The minister did not say when the incident happened, or what had caused it.

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It's a skull people, not a head. Get yours out of your collective asses, try on a Uniform and take a step in someone elses shoes, before you judge, condem, or otherwise make up your own reality of the situation.

That skull looks alot like it's been free from its body for quite some time. I doubt they had much to do with its removal.

Wow, for a bunch of culturally elite smart folk, you sure don't know shyte about what happens to bones in the sun or otherwise, do you?
 

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HUH?

Was that to moi?

My point was, it's just a skull.

The act that has everyones nuts in a knot, is dispicable, yes, but not worthy of the anti soldier anti war histeria, no?
No I was replying to the main post. So it seems we agree on this issue.

I mean its not like its the Head of a Taliban Leader, or a Prisoners head....its a skull.....Its not a picture of Muhammaed.....I dont see what all the bitching is about. They could of found that skull anywhere and chances are thats what they will find out with the interview of the soldiers.
 

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It's a skull people, not a head. Get yours out of your collective asses, try on a Uniform and take a step in someone elses shoes, before you judge, condem, or otherwise make up your own reality of the situation.

That skull looks alot like it's been free from its body for quite some time. I doubt they had much to do with its removal.

Wow, for a bunch of culturally elite smart folk, you sure don't know shyte about what happens to bones in the sun or otherwise, do you?

:rolleyes:

Yeah I have seen what the people in uniform think.
 

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No I was replying to the main post. So it seems we agree on this issue.

I mean its not like its the Head of a Taliban Leader, or a Prisoners head....its a skull.....Its not a picture of Muhammaed.....I dont see what all the bitching is about. They could of found that skull anywhere and chances are thats what they will find out with the interview of the soldiers.
Absolutely, but it never ceases to amaze me how the ones that look down their noses at guys like us, seem to miss the facts, or at the very least the gravity of the event. On the grand scheme of things, it was totally inapropriate, conduct unbecoming. But holy crap, these bleeding hearts have not got clue one, what it is like to hear a round, chip off a piece of stone a foot from their heads(they likely wouldn't hear it through their a$$ cheeks anyways). So where they think they get the right to jump to conclusions and try and justify their rethoric, is well beyond the open minded or experienced.
 

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Absolutely, but it never ceases to amaze me how the ones that look down their noses at guys like us, seem to miss the facts, or at the very least the gravity of the event. On the grand scheme of things, it was totally inapropriate, conduct unbecoming. But holy crap, these bleeding hearts have not got clue one, what it is like to hear a round, chip off a piece of stone a foot from their heads(they likely wouldn't hear it through their a$$ cheeks anyways). So where they think they get the right to jump to conclusions and try and justify their rethoric, is well beyond the open minded or experienced.
You know what it is, its just a bored as hell German Media Group trying to make some interesting topic to cover, and make a big stink about german troops. The Media will jump at anything to sensationalize and blow out of porportion anything they think is going to get them a reader, or a click on their website.

One would think the whiney Liberals thta dont trust the media would agree, but then again, the know it all liberals would never have a dubble standard.
 

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They should interview those soldiers and get there side of the story, but they are desecrating a dead persons skull. However, I'm sure much worse goes on, on both sides of the conflict. War is nasty business.
 

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Liberals are meltingdown over a German Soldier holding a skull, they must hate Hamlet too..