Perhaps we should stop with experimentation
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What makes you so sure they couldn't understand money?
It isn't a native concept to most humans either, most aboriginal groups never had money and used barter, much as chimps do.
It also begs the point, some Chimps are not only smarter than mentally handicapped people, but as intelligent as average people.
While they do not have the same biological values, there is no reason you couldn't teach a chimp to use Excel and do data entry.
It isn't a native concept to most humans either, most aboriginal groups never had money and used barter, much as chimps do.
It also begs the point, some Chimps are not only smarter than mentally handicapped people, but as intelligent as average people.
While they do not have the same biological values, there is no reason you couldn't teach a chimp to use Excel and do data entry.
don't you think that employing them as if they were human might be exploitation? after all your average chimp mostly wants a nice leafy nest, plenty of food, no predators, to see the nearest chimp tribe beaten senseless, and a good bit of chimp ass every now and then. putting them to work like us would seem a little cruel, even if you do give them some incentives. maybe we should just respect them as they are and not poke things in them to see what happens.
that doesnt apply to other animals. we need animal testing. but i think chimps are unnecessary
that doesnt apply to other animals. we need animal testing. but i think chimps are unnecessary
Ok, ok, I concede... lol
You don't have to convince me, I truly believe and am an avid campaigner of animal rights!
Understanding money and barter is one thing, being able to understand when you're being exploited is another. My aunty used to live in independent living. She did very well with her money, and for a few months even managed to come out a few hundred dollars on the plus side with her budget. The family was thrilled with her shrewd money skills: until it came out one day that her land lord had managed to convince her how beneficial it would be for her to simply have sex with him for her rent payment instead of giving him money. Currency and barter made perfect sense to her, but, the morality of society and her individual rights, did not.
Now there you go, Aren't you missing the point? Perhaps morality did make sense to her, as did individual rights. It just didn't make sense to you
Everyone has different morals after all. While its very possible she was being exploited, its also possible she didn't put the same hangups on sex the rest of us do.
I also fail to see how the major goals of a Chimp are any different than people.
Fruits and nuts, a leafy nest, female chimps and fighting the odd rival.
Good food, comfy place to sleep, some sex and a little violence.
AKA, Nachos, A couch, A hot wife and a game of football.
lol, good comparison.
But my point wasn't just one of 'sex with a mentally handicapped woman is bad', but that it is easy to exploit people/animals with lower mental capacities, and a poor understanding of their rights. For all you or I know, my aunt was raped, THEN told that it was okay because it would mean she didn't have to pay rent. She wouldn't know the difference, so how can we tell what really happened?
I still don't think we evolved from those things. Sure, they are smart, but somthing about them just seems too different. Anyways, it's kind of like, do you want to find a cure for AIDS or do you want to save some chimps? Call me selfish (most people do) but I'd rather find an AIDS cure.
current theories state we didnt evolve from them. More likely, we AND they evolved from a common ancestor. we're separate branches of the same tree, and the fork in the tree wasnt long ago.
Humans above all else. I don't mean to say we should treat animals badly, but when it comes to the survival of our species, we should put ourselves first. I don't like the treatment of animals in science, but at the same time, I understand the need to find cures for deadly diseases.
If chimps are sentient (and they are) to the degree of the average human (and some are)
Shouldn't I care more about said chimp than a disabled human? He is more like me where it counts (the brain).
AIDS testing would work far better with disabled humans too, they would be much better stock.
If your saying regardless of intelligence I should care less about chimps because they are slightly farther away from me genetically...l
Does that mean I should care less about people of different genetic backgrounds? Like Asians or Africans?
Its bad mojo in my book.
Apparently that what some of these people think.
Right. Wouldn't have to take into consideration species differences and the like.
I think that's the gist of some people's thoughts.
In many ways, modern society is not unlike a giant cage. Hours in cubicles, hours waiting in traffic jams, hours in line, hours in planes....we're already in the cages...we are just told we are free, so we believe it...