Party leaders have too much power?

damngrumpy

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Party leaders are chosen by the membership, through their local delegates at convention.
The party members determine the leader, and the MP's are chosen by the people. When
someone runs for a political party they are subscribing to the policy of the party and that
is how the system works. If the party takes a position on a particular measure and you are
a member of that party, if you vote otherwise you can be booted out of caucus and so it
should be. People have to know the policies of the party they represent and the public has
to know the direction of the person they are voting for.
I personally think the system works well. When I ran in 1997, I agreed with most of the
policy issues of the day but not all that would be impossible. The party I represented at the
time was in favor of gun control, and I am not and said so. Had I been elected I would have
faced some difficulty personally, as the policy is for gun control and personally I think it is
self serving. Its a giant waste of money for one and no one has ever been spared because
of gun control, in fact I think it creates a false sense of security.
On topic here, the party leaders have only the power the membership gives them, and that
also goes for the Member of Parliament. There have been cases where the member did not
get party support at nomination time and in turn leaders have been sacked by their membership.
Gordon Campbell knew the full membership would have dumped him and Carol James would
have met the same fate had there been a convention. I think there is a good balance of power
and checks and balances.
 

Bar Sinister

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I find it interesting that one of the original policies of the Reform Party was to give party members a good deal more input into party policy as well as allowing elected members a good deal more influence in policy decisions. As a matter of fact what Milliken wants was exactly what Preston Manning promised. Unfortunately, Manning's good intentions only lasted until he actually managed to get a few MPs elected, and Stephen Harper has taken party control to levels even the most extreme control freak would be happy with.
 

Angstrom

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I find it interesting that one of the original policies of the Reform Party was to give party members a good deal more input into party policy as well as allowing elected members a good deal more influence in policy decisions. As a matter of fact what Milliken wants was exactly what Preston Manning promised. Unfortunately, Manning's good intentions only lasted until he actually managed to get a few MPs elected, and Stephen Harper has taken party control to levels even the most extreme control freak would be happy with.

Thats how you win election's as a Conservative in Canada. you shut your dumb ass mouth up. xDDDD
 

CDNBear

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To a degree, they are complicit in the cycle.
They're complicit because they would prefer to hold onto the power granted them as a Minister with a portfolio, or ministry, than actually live up to the character they portrayed to their constituents.
 
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captain morgan

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No doubt... There are very few examples of MP's/Ministers, Senators, etc. that haven't altered their ideology on a wholesale basis to accommodate their personal needs at the direct expense of the voters that elected them.
 

SLM

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They're complicit because they would prefer to hold onto the power granted them as a Minister with a portfolio, or ministry, than actually live up to the character they portrayed to there constituents.
Power corrupts.

There is a reason why these sayings endure.
 

JLM

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They have only as much power as the electorate chooses to give them. Best bet is to believe only what you see and believe nothing they have to say. (Wonder what Layton is going to do now that so many believe his B.S. which has translated into so many seats, as a matter of fact maybe the same can be said for Harper)
 

SLM

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They have only as much power as the electorate chooses to give them. Best bet is to believe only what you see and believe nothing they have to say. (Wonder what Layton is going to do now that so many believe his B.S. which has translated into so many seats, as a matter of fact maybe the same can be said for Harper)
Perhaps rise to the occassion or face the wrath of the voting public in the next election?