Out with Canadian lumber, in with German.

[White_Unifier]

L'Allemagne tire profit des sanctions américaines contre le bois d'

As Trump clamps down on Canadian lumber imports, German lumber exporters fill the void.

Look, if the US doesn't have enough trees to cut down domestically, it'll have to import from somewhere. If not from Canada, then from Germany. Still doesn't create any more jobs for Americans. The only difference now is that on top of the lumber, Americans now have to pay for the extra transportation costs.

Seriously Trump. If you don't have the lumber, you need to get it from somewhere.

 

[Curious Cdn]

L'Allemagne tire profit des sanctions américaines contre le bois d'

As Trump clamps down on Canadian lumber imports, German lumber exporters fill the void.

Look, if the US doesn't have enough trees to cut down domestically, it'll have to import from somewhere. If not from Canada, then from Germany. Still doesn't create any more jobs for Americans. The only difference now is that on top of the lumber, Americans now have to pay for the extra transportation costs.

Seriously Trump. If you don't have the lumber, you need to get it from somewhere.

German lumber ought to be .... really expensive.

 

[White_Unifier]

German lumber ought to be .... really expensive.

Not just German. The last paragraph of the article shows that that even Russian lumber exports to the US have increased.

Again, if the Us can't produce enough of its own, how will blocking Canadian exports help? If the US can't produce enough, it's got to get it from somewhere.

 

[Curious Cdn]

Not just German. The last paragraph of the article shows that that even Russian lumber exports to the US have increased.

Wow! "the Art of the Deal"

I haven't been giving Trump enough credit, apparently.

 

[White_Unifier]

Lat paragraph of the article:

"Au cours des six premiers mois de l'année, les importations en provenance d'Allemagne ont bondi de 916 % aux États-Unis par rapport à la même période l'an dernier. Les importations depuis l'Autriche ont bondi de 178 %, alors qu'elles ont crû de 141 % dans le cas de la Roumanie, de 42 % dans le cas de la Russie et de 41 % dans le cas de la Suède."

Maybe Trump could ban European lumber imports too. Then Americans could import lumber from South America. Then he could ban that and they'll import it from Asia and Africa. And once bans all lumber imports, then the US could start to clear cut Central Park to meet the demand.

 

[Curious Cdn]

Lat paragraph of the article:

"Au cours des six premiers mois de l'année, les importations en provenance d'Allemagne ont bondi de 916 % aux États-Unis par rapport à la même période l'an dernier. Les importations depuis l'Autriche ont bondi de 178 %, alors qu'elles ont crû de 141 % dans le cas de la Roumanie, de 42 % dans le cas de la Russie et de 41 % dans le cas de la Suède."

Maybe Trump could ban European lumber imports too. Then Americans could import lumber from South America. Then he could ban that and they'll import it from Asia and Africa. And once bans all lumber imports, then the US could start to clear cut Central Park to meet the demand.

That'll meet the demand for about ten minutes, or so.

Nice neighbour, eh?

 

[White_Unifier]

Now here's what I don't get. If I were the US and found out Canadian taxpayers were subsidizing our lumber, I'd scratch my head wondering why they're subsidizing our lumber seeing that it would benefit our consumers at the Canadian taxpayer's cost. If indeed Canada is subsidizing lumber exports, the Canadian taxpayer and not US consumers should oppose it.

Honestly, if a professional economist were negotiating trade, he'd applaud any US dumping in Canada since the US taxpayer would be subsidizing the Canadian consumer.

 

[Curious Cdn]

Now here's what I don't get. If I were the US and found out Canadian taxpayers were subsidizing our lumber, I'd scratch my head wondering why they're subsidizing our lumber seeing that it would benefit our consumers at the Canadian taxpayer's cost. If indeed Canada is subsidizing lumber exports, the Canadian taxpayer and not US consumers should oppose it.

Honestly, if a professional economist were negotiating trade, he'd applaud any US dumping in Canada since the US taxpayer would be subsidizing the Canadian consumer.

I don't doubt for a milisecond that the EU is subsidizing European lumber exports.

Fact is,the Americans can't produce enough lumber to meet their own demand. They have to deal with someone who helps their industry to survive... sort of like the way that the Americans subsidize their corn production.

 

[White_Unifier]

I don't doubt for a milisecond that the EU is subsidizing European lumber exports.

Fact is,the Americans can't produce enough lumber to meet their own demand. They have to deal with someone who helps their industry to survive... sort of like the way that the Americans subsidize their corn production.

Honestly, the EU would be stupid to get its taxpayers to subsidize US lumber consumers. but then again, politicians aren't economists. Honestly, if Canadian politicians were smart, we'd make Canada a free-dumping zone. If other states want to make their taxpayers pay to subsidize Canadian consumers, Canada should welcome it.

And if the US subsidizes its corn production, Canada should invite the US to dump its corn in Canada.

 

[Curious Cdn]

Honestly, the EU would be stupid to get its taxpayers to subsidize US lumber consumers. but then again, politicians aren't economists. Honestly, if Canadian politicians were smart, we'd make Canada a free-dumping zone. If other states want to make their taxpayers pay to subsidize Canadian consumers, Canada should welcome it.

Subsidizing US consumers boosts sales and that subsidizes European producers. The Americans do that in all sorts of sectors.

 

[White_Unifier]

Subsidizing US consumers boosts sales and that subsidizes European producers. The Americans do that in all sorts of sectors.

But ultimately it's the taxpayer who pays. That's why I say if the US is stupid enough to subsidize Canadian consumers, by all means. Canada would be stupid to prevent a foreign state from subsidizing Canadian consumers.

 

[B00Mer]

Not just German. The last paragraph of the article shows that that even Russian lumber exports to the US have increased.

Again, if the Us can't produce enough of its own, how will blocking Canadian exports help? If the US can't produce enough, it's got to get it from somewhere.

Making America Great Again by increasing the cost of a home by 30% for Middle America.

 

[White_Unifier]

Making America Great Again by increasing the cost of a home by 30% for Middle America.

European lumber is still too cheap, Trump should ban that too.

Making America poor again.

 

[tay]

German lumber ought to be .... really expensive.

The dispute has increased material costs for house builders in the U.S. by 20 per cent, according to Howard. Lumber futures traded in Chicago have gained 11 per cent this year, among the best performance of all the commodities tracked by Bloomberg. Prices fell 0.6 per cent to US$364 per 1,000 board feet Monday morning on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.

The additional cost of Canadian lumber is not only saddling U.S. consumers with extra costs but threatens to price some of them out of the market, according to Howard. For every US$1,000 price increase of a home, 150,000 people are priced out of the market, he said
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“Fewer houses are being built at the moderate price points, and they’re not being built because the cost of lumber puts them out of too much of the consumers’ buying range,” he said.

U.S. houses using more Russian lumber, thanks to Canada spat | Financial Post

 

[Andem]

Canada would be stupid to prevent a foreign state from subsidizing Canadian consumers.

I disagree. By allowing a foreign government to subsidize imported products, it injures domestic enterprises. If domestic business is destroyed, then what's to stop the foreign companies from starting to gouge Canadian customers?

A good example is the airline business. If Etihad or Emirates were allowed to expand into Canada, then goodbye domestic aviation. Do we really want a foreign, anti-democratic, theocratic and unfree country controlling how Canadians can travel? I don't think so.

Etihad and Emirates have actually started to grab Canadian flyers travelling internationally, and it's all subsidized by middle eastern governments.

 

[Danbones]

If houses get too expensive...

bring back all the bad loans.

PS: I also understand the US has a lot of cheep precut lumber ..."stored" in Detroit

 

[tay]

The U.S. Commerce Department on Thursday announced it will impose finalized softwood lumber import duties on several Canadian firms.

The U.S. government said Canadian producers were selling into the U.S. market at less than fair value, and said Canada was providing "unfair subsidies" to domestic producers.

"While I am disappointed that a negotiated agreement could not be made between domestic and Canadian softwood producers, the United States is committed to free, fair and reciprocal trade with Canada," said Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross in a statement.

"This decision is based on a full and unbiased review of the facts in an open and transparent process that defends American workers and businesses from unfair trade practices," Ross said.

In a joint statement, Canadian Minister of Foreign Affairs Chrystia Freeland and Minister of Natural Resources Jim Carr called the U.S. decision against Canada's softwood lumber producers "unfair, unwarranted and deeply troubling."

The U.S. government says that exporters from Canada have sold softwood lumber in the U.S. market at 3.20 per cent to 8.89 per cent less than fair value. The Commerce Department also said Canada is providing unfair subsidies to its producers of softwood lumber at rates from 3.34 per cent to 18.19 per cent.

According to the Commerce Department, duties on Canfor and Tolko will be just over 22 per cent, while Resolute will see duties totalling just under 18 per cent. West Fraser will see duties of more than 23 per cent. All other producers will see duties of just under 21 per cent.

Most of the Canadian producers actually saw their duties reduced from a preliminary ruling by the U.S. earlier this year. Resolute Forest Products and J.D. Irving will pay slightly higher duties.

more

'Unfair, unwarranted and deeply troubling': U.S. sets final import duties on Canadian softwood lumber - Business - CBC News

 

[Hoid]

Not just German. The last paragraph of the article shows that that even Russian lumber exports to the US have increased.

Again, if the Us can't produce enough of its own, how will blocking Canadian exports help? If the US can't produce enough, it's got to get it from somewhere.

IT will help by making Trumps base think they ate doing something good.

In fact the cost of a new house in America just went up about $3,500, but it doesn't matter. All that matters is that bunch of really stupid people are happy.

 

[Angstrom]

Not just German. The last paragraph of the article shows that that even Russian lumber exports to the US have increased.

Again, if the Us can't produce enough of its own, how will blocking Canadian exports help? If the US can't produce enough, it's got to get it from somewhere.

JT’s father warned us about sleeping next to a elephant.

Most Canadian’s are as anti American as it gets. What the fuk dose America owe us? The majority of Canadian public opinion about America is very negative.

Do you think Trump dosent know how anti American & anti Trump Canada is? He’s probably just doing this to satisfy himself vengefully for all the nasty shit we have said about him and Americans.

He’s going to give us a spanking and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it.

But please by all means continue spewing hateful anti American anti Trump propaganda. Im sure its going to help the situation :roll:

Trump has repeatedly said. The United States is the laughing stock of the world. Im going to change that. Im going to make America great again.

Well no ones going to be laughing here in Canada when Free Trade is Cancelled let me tell you that

Who needs enemies when you have friends like us.

 

[Danbones]

The U.S. government says that exporters from Canada have sold softwood lumber in the U.S. market at 3.20 per cent to 8.89 per cent less than fair value. The Commerce Department also said Canada is providing unfair subsidies to its producers of softwood lumber at rates from 3.34 per cent to 18.19 per cent.

( From Tay's post above)

For the trump haters that don't do math and who figure they are allowed to be as biased as they want but no on else better even appear that way