Our Friends the Pakistanis

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Support for the U.S. is surging in some parts of the Muslim world.

BY HUSAIN HAQQANI AND KENNETH BALLEN
Monday, December 19, 2005 12:01 a.m. EST

So much for the popularly peddled view that anti-Americanism in the Muslim world is so pervasive and deep-rooted it might take generations to alter. A new poll from Pakistan, a critical front-line in the war on terror, paints a very different picture--by revealing a sea-change in public opinion in recent months.

Long a stronghold for Islamic extremists and the world's second-most populous Muslim nation, Pakistanis now hold a more favorable opinion of the U.S. than at any time since 9/11, while support for al Qaeda in its home base has dropped to its lowest level since then. The direct cause for this dramatic shift in Muslim opinion is clear: American humanitarian assistance for Pakistani victims of the Oct. 8 earthquake that killed 87,000. The U.S. pledged $510 million for earthquake relief in Pakistan and American soldiers are playing a prominent role in rescuing victims from remote mountainous villages.

Released today, the poll commissioned by the nonprofit organization Terror Free Tomorrow and conducted by Pakistan's foremost pollsters ACNielsen Pakistan shows that the number of Pakistanis with a favorable opinion of the U.S. doubled to more than 46% at the end of November from 23% in May 2005. Those with very unfavorable views declined to 28% from 48% over the same period. Nor is this swing in public opinion confined to Pakistan. A similar picture is evident in Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation. Again that's largely because of American generosity in the wake of a natural disaster. A February 2005 poll by Terror Free Tomorrow showed that 65% of Indonesians had a more favorable opinion of the U.S. as a result of American relief to the victims of last December's tsunami. If these changes in Pakistan and Indonesia influence thinking in other countries, then we could be looking at a broader shift in public sentiment across the Muslim world.

While support for the U.S. has surged, there's also been a dramatic drop in support for Osama bin Laden and terrorism. Since May, the percentage of Pakistanis who feel terrorist attacks against civilians are never justified has more than doubled to 73% from less than half, while the minority who still support terrorist attacks has also shrunk significantly. There's been a similar increase in the number of Pakistanis disapproving of bin Laden, which rose to 41% in November up from only 23% in May.

The important point is that direct contact with Americans on a humanitarian mission, including military personnel, has a positive impact on how Muslims view America. In Pakistan, 78% of those surveyed said that American assistance has made them feel more favorable to the U.S. America also fared much better in the opinion of ordinary Pakistanis than the other Western countries that also provided aid, or even local radical Islamist groups that made a much-publicized effort to provide earthquake relief.

That doesn't mean there isn't still more work to be done. The Muslim "street" is still not sold on specific American policies, with the poll finding the Pakistani public now opposes current U.S. policy in the war on terror by a larger margin than in May. But the overall message from Pakistan, pointing towards a potential trend in the Muslim world in general, is a positive one. By cutting out the middlemen who all too often portray a poisonous image of the U.S., direct American engagement in humanitarian assistance not only ensures its aid reaches those in need, but can also play a powerful role in marginalizing the foot-soldiers for bin Laden and other supporters of extremist Islamic causes.

Mr. Haqqani is director of Boston University's Center for International Relations and author of "Pakistan Between Mosque and Military" (Carnegie, 2005). Mr. Ballen served as counsel to the House Iran-Contra Committee and the speaker of the House, and is president of Terror Free Tomorrow, a nonprofit organization in Washington.

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Whether you agree with the war in Iraq
or whether you agree with how the war on terrorism
is waged or you agree with some of the
rationales of the terrorist, one overall theme is
true: There will be an inevitable clash between
two ways of thought.


By the way that article on Pakistan is interesting
in that it does note an organic process of thinking
differently on the parts of its citizens.

No doubt, anti-american bias is still alive and well
over there, but a great many who are not
ideologically inspired, are beginning to wonder
rightly about the abuses of the Islamic fundamentalists
along with the abuses of American policy.
 

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I'll believe this statement when I read they have shut down the Madrassas wherein the young boys of Pakistan are taught Arabic, Sha'ria Law and terrorism or hatred of the west and the Jews.

Arnaud de Borchgrave has given excellent talks on this phenom and many of the terrorists who are plaguing the western world today were educated in Pakistan....

Borchgrave is situated in Washington D.C. at the present time working with the CSIS - think tank but spent years in the middle east.
 

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I'll believe this statement when I read they have shut down the Madrassas wherein the young boys of Pakistan are taught Arabic, Sha'ria Law and terrorism or hatred of the west and the Jews.

Arnaud de Borchgrave has given excellent talks on this phenom and many of the terrorists who are plaguing the western world today were educated in Pakistan....

Borchgrave is situated in Washington D.C. at the present time working with the CSIS - think tank but spent years in the middle east.

So they don't have a free speech. They cannot practice their law, Sha'ria law and they can't speak Arabic. What do you want to do, train them to be little American followers, practice Christianity.

I agree with shutting down or restructuring schools that preach anti-semitism, and anti-west, but to shut down their language and law, now that's harsh.

And don't give me the excuse well Sha'ria law is dispicable. If it is committed in Canada or the West yeh, but this is the system in Pakistan and others.
 

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JimMoyer

Interesting question and my answer would be no. As the education of these young minds is limited to serve as robotic employees in their adult lives, goes against the freedoms of all mankind - the rights of how to learn many things with which to become a productive citizen of our world.

Those who mold and bend young minds for any "cause" religious or otherwise are evil. There is no other word for them.

Of course, an argument could always be made regarding our schooling in the western world with its patriotism and historical accounting which regularly undergoes scrutiny for "who's in power" and "who wants to rewrite the goals of our ancestors."

I cannot stress enough the importance of being taught at a young age to question, to find out answers, and of prime importance to have the freedom to do so.

A strong country is one in which its people are equipped through education to do their own research in order to make their own decisions.

Biased MSM and corrupt politicians, feeble teachers, as well as the usual cast of thugs who populate large countries, will always work against freedom of the minds of the young.
 

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Jersay said:
I'll believe this statement when I read they have shut down the Madrassas wherein the young boys of Pakistan are taught Arabic, Sha'ria Law and terrorism or hatred of the west and the Jews.

Arnaud de Borchgrave has given excellent talks on this phenom and many of the terrorists who are plaguing the western world today were educated in Pakistan....

Borchgrave is situated in Washington D.C. at the present time working with the CSIS - think tank but spent years in the middle east.

So they don't have a free speech. They cannot practice their law, Sha'ria law and they can't speak Arabic. What do you want to do, train them to be little American followers, practice Christianity.

I agree with shutting down or restructuring schools that preach anti-semitism, and anti-west, but to shut down their language and law, now that's harsh.

And don't give me the excuse well Sha'ria law is dispicable. If it is committed in Canada or the West yeh, but this is the system in Pakistan and others.

Jersay

My apologies - I should have been less clumsy in my writing....of course the children should be taught to WRITE in Arabic and to speak it if they do not in their home already. But that is the extent of the teachings. Arabic and Sha'ria Law. Plus....

...to round out the indoctrination - they are taught to hate specific groups. Would you call that freeing young minds to think for themselves?


Don't get in a twist with me, take it up with Arnaud who was the editor of the Washington Times and you can find him at www.csis.org - he is good at responding to e-mails if you feel the need.

He gave an excellent interview on television when we were all learning about the young men who acted on 9/11 and what motivated them.

To create robots out of children - it is raping their minds - not their bodies. Equally as despicable.
 

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I can't agree with you more Wednesday's Child.

I can only hope al Jazeera (The Island) exposes those school's weaknesses in their particularly non-western
way.

It's some of these TV stations in the Middle East
that are earning the animosity of all sides that are
highly interesting to me.
 

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...to round out the indoctrination - they are taught to hate specific groups. Would you call that freeing young minds to think for themselves?

Absolutely not. I am glad you have cleared that up. I thought it was a mistake but had to be sure.
 

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jimmoyer said:
I can't agree with you more Wednesday's Child.

I can only hope al Jazeera (The Island) exposes those school's weaknesses in their particularly non-western
way.

It's some of these TV stations in the Middle East
that are earning the animosity of all sides that are
highly interesting to me.

JimMoyer

Can you actually receive some of the stations? I didn't know it was possible, but then I am lacking in so much knowledge I shame myself. I plunge into forums as if I had it all together when I am stapled and mended like some rag doll with scant information....

Oh....if you can get these stations I am jealous. I take it they have the English crawl or please please don't tell me you can speak Arabic? Now that would be head and shoulders above the crowd.
 

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Jersay said:
...to round out the indoctrination - they are taught to hate specific groups. Would you call that freeing young minds to think for themselves?

Absolutely not. I am glad you have cleared that up. I thought it was a mistake but had to be sure.

Jersay

Thank you! Glad we are ok now....
 

jimmoyer

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I believe Canadian cable accepted the broadcast
of al Jazeera before they okay'd the Fox network.

It might cost extra in Canada, I don't know.

I know my Morrocan friend pays extra for al Jazeera
and German and French stations. Great chess player
---all dazzling strategy that gets the best of us
book fundamentals theory chess players.
 

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I think perhaps some of the points of the article have been missed. The direct interaction with US troops have apparently made much more of a difference than the actual aid itself. Of course the aid was needed, but how many times has the US sent aid via 3rd parties and hasn't had the same effect?

I think officials should take notice of this and try to project more positive interactions and ensure more direct contact becomes the norm.
 

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I think not said:
I think perhaps some of the points of the article have been missed. The direct interaction with US troops have apparently made much more of a difference than the actual aid itself. Of course the aid was needed, but how many times has the US sent aid via 3rd parties and hasn't had the same effect?

I think officials should take notice of this and try to project more positive interactions and ensure more direct contact becomes the norm.

I agree, but think any aid helps. This is truly one of the best arguments in favor of increasing humanitarian aid to foreign countries that need it. I think one reason so many Americans want their governement to stop sending money overseas is that they don't realize what benefit it brings to Americans.
 

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The important point is that direct contact with Americans on a humanitarian mission, including military personnel, has a positive impact on how Muslims view America. In Pakistan, 78% of those surveyed said that American assistance has made them feel more favorable to the U.S. America also fared much better in the opinion of ordinary Pakistanis than the other Western countries that also provided aid, or even local radical Islamist groups that made a much-publicized effort to provide earthquake relief.

That doesn't mean there isn't still more work to be done. The Muslim "street" is still not sold on specific American policies,

--------------------ITN's quote of the article-------------

This hands-on thing, this direct contact is a huge
point.

American aircraft carriers are the fastest to any
point in the World and greatly impacted the
first response to the Tsunami disaster.

It was also there I learned of volunteers on this effort
had to learn the ugly fact of saying no to those
villagers who begged. Volunteers get in a lot
of trouble for giving to one child who goes back
to the village and now finds he has to say NO to the
rest.

Last night on CBS 60 minutes they showed
Clinton's visit to two provinces in China where
the AID'S epidemic is largest.

Never having voted for him, he is just larger than
all partisans know, and appears to be doing quite
well in helping those 2 Chinese provinces.

All of these incidents have great impact.

One on one.