Ontario vs. Alberta?
- Thread starter Hank C
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S-Ranger said:
I think that my brain just exploded from an irony overdose. :roll:
EDIT: Stupid intarweb.
Alberta has a Provincial Nomination Program and Ontario doesn't. Nearly 79% of all Canadians I seem to run into online seem to be from Ontario, though.
Simply, I love living in Alberta and I probably won't leave unless CIC throws me out (couldn't imagine why) or some Prime Minister decides to nominate me for Governor General. Don't know why they would, but my life is odd and it'll probably be that way until I die. And even then, I'd bet there would be a few oddities about my death too. Maybe some rumours of organised crime and my body being buried under Air Canada field.
Simply, I love living in Alberta and I probably won't leave unless CIC throws me out (couldn't imagine why) or some Prime Minister decides to nominate me for Governor General. Don't know why they would, but my life is odd and it'll probably be that way until I die. And even then, I'd bet there would be a few oddities about my death too. Maybe some rumours of organised crime and my body being buried under Air Canada field.
Hank C said:
Wow. Back for more already?
Not that it matters in the Ontario forum, but just to point it out to everyone else in this forum in general: Who/what says "nearly 2.5 million" people (or are they counting ghosts/souls)? Where's your source ... again? Just because Hank C says whatever, including the location of Calgary in "your" (the CCIC-forums) user profile, it's supposed to be accepted as fact? I thought we already wen through this along with which forum this is and buried little Alberta alive with Toronto let alone South Ontario.
The Calgary-Edmonton corridor, 1996 and 2001 Censuses
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% of % of % of
Population Pop Province Province Canada
1996 2001 Change (1996) (2001) (2001)
1,913,339 2,149,586 236,247 70.9 72.3 7.2
___________________________________________________________Calgary-Edmonton Corridor
[Not Edmonton-Calgary corridor. Are you sure you're from Alberta or even the Canadas? It has been called the Calgary-Edmonton trail for many moons; never the Edmonton-Calgary anything. The Windsor-Quebec City corridor is called that in Ontario; by Statistics Canada. It's called the Québec[ City]-Windsor corridor in Quebec; by Statistics Canada, VIA Rail, which is where it makes the bulk of its revenues to subsidize passenger rail in the Nowheres of the Canadas, and just about everything else but Statistics Canada, when it delivers Census of Canada results to Chambers of Commerce/Boards of Trade, to the major cities, usually very quietly, in the Ontario section.]
That's the population of the Calgary-Edmonton "corridor/trail" until "you" (which means my video display; it's all I'm looking at) post otherwise from a reliable source that has to include the other three mysteriously undocumented Census Region classification:
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Toronto_Area
Wikipedia - Greater Toronto Area (and maybe other links)
Do a search at Statistics Canada on "Census Region" to see what comes up. Nothing, which makes it all totally meaningless. What are the criteria as to what gets included and excluded in whatever a Census Region is, hopefully at the municipal/CSD level, not the "county"/CD level, of any of these alleged, undocumented, "census regions"?
This:
The Calgary-Edmonton corridor
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% of % of % of
Population Pop Province Province Canada
1996 2001 Change (1996) (2001) (2001)
1,913,339 2,149,586 236,247 70.9 72.3 7.2
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is not even this:
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Population
Name Type 2001 1996 Change
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Toronto C 2,481,494 2,385,421 A 96,073
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...let alone this:
Greater Toronto Area, Census Division and Census Subdivisions (Municipalities), 2001 and 1996 Censuses
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Population Pop % of
Name Type 2001 1996 Growth GTA
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01-Toronto Division 2,481,494 2,385,421 96,073 48.83
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Toronto ................... C 2,481,494 2,385,421 96,073 48.83
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02-Peel Regional Municipality 988,948 852,526 136,422 19.46
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Mississauga ............... C 612,925 544,382 68,543 12.06
Brampton .................. C 325,428 268,251 57,177 6.40
Caledon ................... T 50,595 39,893 10,702 1.00
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04-York Regional Municipality 729,254 592,445 136,809 14.35
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Markham ................... T 208,615 173,383 35,232 4.11
Vaughan ................... C 182,022 132,549 49,473 3.58
Richmond Hill ............. T 132,030 101,725 30,305 2.60
Newmarket ................. T 65,788 57,125 8,663 1.29
Aurora .................... T 40,167 34,857 5,310 0.79
Georgina .................. T 39,263 34,777 4,486 0.77
Whitchurch-Stouffville .... T 22,008 19,835 2,173 0.43
East Gwillimbury .......... T 20,555 19,770 785 0.40
King ...................... TP 18,533 18,223 310 0.36
Chippewas of Georgina
Island First Nation ...... R 273 201 72 0.01
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05-Durham Regional Municipality 506,901 458,616 48,285 9.97
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Oshawa .................... C 139,051 134,364 4,687 2.74
Whitby .................... T 87,413 73,794 13,619 1.72
Pickering ................. C 87,139 78,989 8,150 1.71
Ajax ...................... T 73,753 64,430 9,323 1.45
Clarington ................ T 69,834 60,615 9,219 1.37
Scugog .................... TP 20,173 18,837 1,336 0.40
Uxbridge .................. TP 17,377 15,882 1,495 0.34
Brock ..................... TP 12,110 11,705 405 0.24
Mississaugas of
Scugog Island ............ R 51 ¶ ¶ 0.00
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11-Halton Regional Municipality 375,229 339,875 35,354 7.38
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Burlington ................ C 150,836 136,976 13,860 2.97
Oakville .................. T 144,738 128,405 16,333 2.85
Halton Hills .............. T 48,184 42,390 5,794 0.95
Milton .................... T 31,471 32,104 -633 0.62
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Municipality of Toronto 2,481,494 2,385,421 96,073 48.83
Rest of GTA 2,600,332 2,243,462 356,870 51.17
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TOTAL 5,081,826 4,628,883 452,943 100.00
_______________________________________________________________________Tables - Canada Population and Dwelling Counts (by about any way one wishes to view them)
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...let alone this, the Statistics Canada Census Region in the Ontarios comparable to the puny Calgary-Edmonton corridor:
The extended Golden Horseshoe
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% of % of % of
Population Pop Province Province Canada
1996 2001 Change (1996) (2001) (2001)
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6,142,346 6,704,598 562,252 57.1 58.8 22.3
____________________________________________________________The extended Golden Horseshoe
...let alone whatever you think "southern Ontario" is.
But you thought you could barge into the Ontario forum, again, to lecture us as to how big and bad "Alberta" is, again, with no sources just blabbering away, again?
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This is basic information. Print it out and stick it to your forehead. Any alleged "Canadian" should know, in general at least, the massive differences between "Ontario and Quebec" (the Windsor-Quebec City corridor), down to the populations and economies of BC, Alberta and then off the scope with the rest of the Canadas, which the SUMMARY sections are quite good at documenting (which is why StatsCON doesn't produce them):
Mid-year (July 1) 2004 Populations and Real Gross Domestic
Product (GDP) 2004 of the Canadas, percentage of population and GDP of the
Canadas per province, territory and in summary
2004 real GDPs in chained 1997 dollars (millions)
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Population % of Real % of 2004
July 1, Pop GDP GDP GDP
JURISDICTION 2004 TOTAL 2004 TOTAL USD@0.85
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Ontario* 12,407,347 38.80 470,300** 42.04 399,755
Québec 7,547,728 23.61 234,445 20.96 199,278
Greater Toronto Area 5,654,350 17.68 305,000 27.26 259,250
British Columbia 4,201,867 13.14 139,205 12.44 118,324
Alberta 3,204,780 10.02 135,837 12.14 115,461
City of Toronto 2,603,180 8.14 129,000 11.53 109,650
Manitoba 1,170,229 3.66 35,136 3.14 29,866
Saskatchewan 994,300 3.11 33,168 2.96 28,193
Nova Scotia 937,509 2.93 25,271 2.26 21,480
New Brunswick 752,078 2.35 20,867 1.87 17,737
Newfoundland & Labrador 517,284 1.62 15,248 1.36 12,961
Prince Edward Island 137,861 0.43 3,365 0.30 2,860
Northwest Territories 42,851 0.13 3,838 0.34 3,262
Yukon Territory 30,856 0.10 1,206 0.11 1,025
Nunavat Territory 29,673 0.09 862 0.08 733
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TOTAL 31,974,363 100.00 1,118,748 100.00 950,703
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Population % of Real % of 2004
July 1, Pop GDP GDP GDP
SUMMARY 2004 TOTAL 2004 TOTAL USD@0.85
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(ON+QC) Total 19,955,075 62.41 704,745 62.99 598,800
(ON+QC+BC) Total 24,156,942 75.55 843,950 75.44 717,125
Rest - (ON+QC) Total 12,019,288 37.59 414,003 37.01 351,903
Rest - (ON+QC+BC) Total 7,817,421 24.45 274,798 24.56 230,316
Prairie (AB+SK+MB) Total 5,369,309 16.79 204,141 18.25 173,520
(MB+SK) Total ^ to AB 2,164,529 6.77 68,304 6.11 58,058
Atlantic Total 2,344,732 7.33 64,751 5.79 55,038
Territory Total 103,380 0.32 5,906 0.53 5,020
_______________________________________________________________________July 1, 2004 Population Sources
All provinces/territories, July 1, 2004 populations: Statistics Canada -
http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/051221/d051221e.htm
The Daily, December 21, 2005 - July 1, 2004 population estimates
Greater Toronto Area and City of Toronto July 1, 2004 population: Ontario Ministry of Finance - http://www.fin.gov.on.ca/english/demographics/demog05.html
Ontario Population Projections, 2004-2031, GREATER TORONTO AREA (City of Toronto is the one with "Toronto" beside it).
2004 Real (chained $1997) GDP sources
Provincial/Territorial GDP: Statistics Canada - http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/econ50.htm
Real gross domestic product, 2000-2004
** Statistics Canada and Ontario Ministry of Finance via Ontario Ministry of Finance - http://www.fin.gov.on.ca/english/economy/ecoutlook/statement05/05fs-paperf.html
Annex VI: Economic Data Tables - 2005 Ontario Economic Outlook and Fiscal Review - Ontario, Gross Domestic Product (real GDP, 2004, billions of chained $1997) and G7 economic growth comparisons - and http://www.fin.gov.on.ca/english/economy/ecoutlook/statement05/ Economic and Fiscal Review home page.
Greater Toronto Area and City of Toronto - (PDF) http://www.toronto.ca/business_publications/pdf/2005_april.pdf Toronto Economic Development Division: Toronto Economic Indicators (real GDP, billions of chained $1997)
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Now pretend that the above is a spreadsheet, because it is (just converted to text/BBCode format). It makes it very easy to pull whatever out of the SUMMARY section or anything else above to create this based on the sources above:
Combinations of "provinces" and territories vs. the Greater Toronto Area (GTA)
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Population GTA Real GTA
GREATER TORONTO AREA July 1, Population GDP* GDP
COMPARISONS 2004 <--Minus 2004 <--Minus
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Atlantic (Atl.) 2,344,732 3,309,618 64,751 240,249
Atlantic+Territories 2,448,112 3,206,238 70,657 234,343
MB+SK 2,164,529 3,489,821 68,304 236,696
SK+Atlantic 3,339,032 2,315,318 97,919 207,081
MB+Atlantic 3,514,961 2,139,389 99,887 205,113
MB+SK+Atlantic 4,509,261 1,145,089 133,055 171,945
MB+SK+Atl.+Terr. 4,612,641 1,041,709 138,961 166,039
Alberta (AB) 3,204,780 2,449,570 135,837 169,163
Alberta+Saskatchewan (SK) 4,199,080 1,455,270 169,005 135,995
Alberta+Manitoba (MB) 4,375,009 1,279,341 170,973 134,027
Alberta+Atlantic 5,549,512 104,838 200,588 104,412
Alberta+Atl.+Terr. 5,652,892 1,458 206,494 98,506
Prairie (AB+SK+MB) 5,369,309 285,041 204,141 100,859
Prairie+Atlantic 7,714,041 -2,059,691 268,892 36,108
Prairie+Atl.+Terr. 7,817,421 -2,163,071 274,798 30,202
BC 4,201,867 1,452,483 139,205 165,795
BC+Atlantic 6,546,599 -892,249 203,956 101,044
BC+SK+MB 6,366,396 -712,046 207,509 97,491
BC+SK+Atlantic 7,540,899 -1,886,549 237,124 67,876
BC+MB+Atlantic 7,716,828 -2,062,478 239,092 65,908
BC+MB+Atl.+Terr. 7,820,208 -2,165,858 244,998 60,002
Quebec 7,547,728 -1,893,378 234,445 70,555
Quebec+Atlantic 9,892,460 -4,238,110 299,196 5,804
Quebec+MB+SK 9,712,257 -4,057,907 302,749 2,251
BC+AB 7,406,647 -1,752,297 275,042 29,958
BC+AB+NB+PE 8,296,586 -2,642,236 299,274 5,726
BC+AB+NS+PE 8,482,017 -2,827,667 303,678 1,322
Greater Toronto Area 5,654,350 0 305,000 0
BC+AB+NS+PE+Terr. 8,585,397 -2,931,047 309,584 -4,584
BC+Prairie+Atlantic 11,915,908 -6,261,558 408,097 -103,097
___________________________________________________________________Note that nothing in the Canadas has the real gross (economic) output of the Greater Toronto Area: not the rest of the Ontarios, not all of the Quebecs -- nothing.
See little Alberta way the hell up there on its own? The Calgary-Edmonton corridor is part of the Albertas. It doesn't out-populate "the rest of" Alberta and it doesn't make more money than all of the Albertas combined.
Oshawa, Ontario is the richest city in the Canadas at the moment (disposable income per capita); which isn't in Alberta. Before that, it was Abbotsford, British Columbia, which is also not in Alberta.
Get it? Got it? Good. Now toddle off with your hick-spew to a forum where other oblivious hicks might give a crap about hick-spew; like in the Alberta forum, for example. Not this one forum on the entire Web, which is going to be invaded by Albetans with their usual hick-spew backed up by nothing. And even when it is backed up, it still amounts to nothing but a bunch of hype from a bunch of oblivious hicks that don't even know what a real economy is in this century, so have no clue which century this is either.
The above is a simple matter of selecting the "provinces" and such from the top section and/or the SUMMARY section and getting Excel to sum their populations and GDPs, then pressing F2 to make sure that the label (BC+MB+Atl+Terr.) is actually summing the proper cells up, in population. A copy/paste into the "Real GDP 2004" column creates the same for column D, real GDP.
Column C has the population of the GTA in a fixed cell reference (happens to be $B$7 for population and $D$7 for GDP; the dollar signs make sure that a copy/paste doesn't increment or otherwise change the cell reference from Greater Toronto Area population or GDP), and then it's just a matter of subtracting whatever happens to be to the left of the population and GDP in whatever combinations of alleged "provinces" and territories above -- ignoring population and simply coming up with a few combos before hitting the GDP of the GTA without going over.
There are many more combinations. Feel free to start with Nunavat or even the "provinces" of the Atlantic Canadas separately. And I don't care if the Atlantic Canadas want to be four provinces as long as Ontario gets to be 21.166337133625508 provinces. 21 would do. Five will do but only with the Atlantic Canadas merged into one province and Saskitoba/Maniwatchewan as another. We've got more "population" on its way out of and into the City of Toronto for the weekend at the moment, on business conventions, vacations, than the population of all four provinces of the Atlantic Canadas combined; it's the weekend.
See Alberta way up there on its lonesome? Don't bother bringing up a region of it that thinks that it knows what real growth is, but has no clue in the world. Not in this forum. Try the Cambodia forum.
Hank C said:
Quote, meet a real quote or three:
Source: Travel Alberta - http://www1.travelalberta.com/content/travellingto/take.cfm?roadtripID=6 Highway 2 North from Calgary to Edmonton (a.k.a. the Calgary-Edmonton "corridor")
Now back to business and real capitalism.
Source: http://www.reviewcta-examenltc.gc.ca/Submissions-Soumissions/Txt/Canadian%20Chamber%20of%20Commerce%20(2).txt Canadian Chamber of Commerce
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Transportation in Canada 2004
TABLE A2-4: CANADA'S ROAD TRADE WITH THE UNITED STATES BY BUSIEST
BORDER CROSSING POINTS, 2004[1]
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(Millions of dollars)
Exports by Imports by TOTAL trade Share in
Border Crossing Point road road by road per cent
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Windsor/Ambassador, Ont. 58,513 61,224 119,737 34.6
Sarnia, Ont. 26,162 22,251 48,413 14.0
Fort Erie, Ont. 34,186 15,077 49,263 14.2
Lacolle, Que. 12,658 5,074 17,731 5.1
Lansdowne, Ont. 9,068 5,297 14,366 4.2
Pacific Highway, B.C. 7,594 6,085 13,680 4.0
Emerson, Man. 6,344 6,573 12,917 3.7
Niagara Falls, Ont. 97 8,833 8,930 2.6
Coutts, Alb. 4,591 3,934 8,524 2.5
Philipsburg, Que. 5,355 2,875 8,230 2.4
North Portal, Sas. 2,016 3,538 5,554 1.6
Woodstock, N.B. 2,374 725 3,099 0.9
Rock Island, Que. 2,415 581 2,996 0.9
Other points 12,079 20,542 32,622 9.4
Total Road Trade 183,451 162,610 346,061 100.0
____________________________________________________________________Source: Transport Canada, adapted from Statistics Canada, International Trade database via Transport Canada - Transportation in Canada - 2004 Annual Report - http://www.tc.gc.ca/pol/en/report/anre2004/add/taba24.htm Addendum A2-4
Last updated (by source): 2005-05-19
Last checked (by me): 2006-05-11
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What exactly are these alleged 50,000 (not 50,001 or 49,999 or 50,500 or 40,500 let alone anything to do with reality, smack dab on the nose with a perfectly round number, as usual, and with no source; as usual) "vehicles" doing on highway 2? Or do you need me to tell you that as well?
"Big bad" Alberta with Coutts and a puny $8.5 billion in trade compared to one vintage 1938 4-lane (typical highway; we've needed more spans for over 20 years, it's the busiest border crossing point in North America; but we do have a rather large bridge to the Borough of PEI for no apparent reason) suspension bridge over the Detroit River with $119.7 billion in trade. And how many other south Ontario (Windsor-Quebec City corridor in general) busiest border crossing points in the Canadas are added to that?
The above documents real sales to American markets (which supports real jobs here; and I do mean here just as the table above shows) and real sales from American markets (real jobs in the U.S.; the purpose of a trading bloc, not just dumping natural resources and screwing your own economies by handing all the value-added jobs away on top of screwing the U.S. and around the most basic industries that represent food and shelter that no country in its right mind, let alone the U.S., is going to just hand away to another country), the usual use of highways and up to 14 and more lanes wide through Toronto, just one freeway, on the busiest stretch of highway in North America, the 401 to and through Toronto; unless the Santa Monica Freeway gets "the honors"/expenses of having the most traffic. Not lately.
Source: Same document above, http://www.tc.gc.ca/pol/en/Report/anre2004/report_highlights_e.htm Report Highlights section.
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Had enough yet or do I have to post it (and lots more) in the Alberta forum or, eventually anyway, the Canadian Politics forum, given that it's where it belongs, because you refuse to stick to the rules of this forum?
Go stick your hick-spew in another forum. You nutcase Albertans are all over the Internet in every forum where English, "God's Language", is spoken. Perhaps you could spare just one forum for the use of others for the intended topic. And if you don't, your next post gets reported. Got it? Good.
And now for something on-topic in this forum for all hicks to consider:
[quote="Ontario Dept. of Finance (and others) via 2Ontario.com]Located in the heart of North America, Ontario businesses have easy access to prosperous consumer and industrial markets. The province has an up-to-date, integrated transportation infrastructure, including highways, commuter and urban public transit, province-wide and internationally connected railways, worldwide cargo aviation systems and among the most extensive in-land and international marine shipping facilities anywhere.
The Economist Intelligence Unit ranks Canada's transportation infrastructure as #1 relative to other G-7 countries in 2001-2005. [Right. Stick the Windsor-Quebec City corridor and Lower Mainland-south Vancouver Island into three republics in an economic union, dump the rest of the Canadas into another economic and political union with another name; and see how whatever the rest of the Canadas is called fares around anything.]
Manufacturers located in Ontario are close to major North American industrial markets. Ontario shares 15 border crossings with the U.S., by road, rail and water. http://www.2ontario.com/welcome/home.asp#ootr More details & data
Road Transportation
[It's an economic map, not a to-scale and/or road map.]
Almost 40 per cent of the population of North America is within one day's drive of South[ern] Ontario. Ontario has an extensive, 72,000 kilometre (45,000 mile) network of paved roads and highways, including 4-lane highways, with advanced freeway traffic management systems to improve efficiency and safety. Highway 401 runs from Windsor, Ontario to Montreal, Quebec, with a minimum of 4 lanes; up to 14 lanes service Toronto.
Ontario has an extremely competitive trucking industry. Some two-thirds of the value of all Ontario exports move by truck. Cross border truck trips have increased around five per cent a year for the last 18 years. In 2001 Ontario joined the International Registration Plan (IRP) with strong support from the truck and bus companies based in the province. The IRP provides blanket registration for trucks and buses as an alternative to individual (reciprocity agreements, and distributes truck and bus registration fees among member jurisdictions based on the number of kilometers carriers travel in other jurisdictions.
Border compliance information is available through Industry Canada at Strategis: Logistics.
Ontario provides financial and technological assistance to municipalities toward the provision of public transit services. More than 95 per cent of the province's residents have access to municipal transit. The province was the first jurisdiction in North America to develop and introduce natural gas powered buses into transit service. More details & data
Rail Transportation
Transcontinental railway lines provide freight service to eastern and western Canada and to the U.S. The Ontario rail system has over 13,351 kilometres (8,296 miles) of track. Passenger train service is provided by VIA Rail in Ontario and across Canada while Amtrak provides connection to the U.S. The Government of Ontario's GO Transit provides intercity commuter rail and bus services to people in the Greater Toronto Area and some surrounding communities. More details & data
Air Transportation
Ontario has over 60 airports receiving scheduled flights and 20 that can service jet aircraft. Ontario airports service 40 per cent of total national passenger traffic.
Toronto's Lester B. Pearson International Airport is Canada's largest, serving approximately 25 million passengers annually. It ranks fourth in North America by the number of international passengers. Pearson provides direct service to 43 U.S. markets daily and over 42 countries worldwide. Pearson handles almost 400,000 metric tons (440,925 tons) of cargo annually. Over 65 international airlines provide scheduled service and a number of additional airlines provide charter services on a seasonal basis. More details & data
Water Transportation
The Great Lakes/St. Lawrence Seaway, a 3,747 km (2,342 mile) system of locks, deep water canals and natural water connecting Ontario to the Atlantic Ocean, has 95,000 square miles of navigable waters and serves the water borne cargo needs of 17 American states and 4 Canadian provinces.
Ontario has 33 cargo loading ports on the Canadian Coast Guard managed system, and there are several more private ports in Ontario. More details & data
Telecommunications
Ontario's communications networks are efficient, affordable and among the best in world. Ontario firms are leaders in communications technologies, including telecommunications, broadcasting, satellite and space technologies, short and long-distance telephone, fiber optics and terminal equipment such as private business exchanges (PBXs) and customer premises equipment (CPE).
Telecommunications companies in Ontario offer a full range of voice and data telecommunications services including public and private line services and long distance - message toll and 800/888 service. Wireless services, including cellular telephone, radio-telephone (exchange or high frequency), PCS (personal communications services), multichannel multipoint distribution systems (MMDS) and LMCS (local multipoint communications services) are also available in the province. Public and private telecommunications networks also provide a number of enhanced calling features, such as call-waiting, call-forwarding, call-management and speed dialling; emergency call service (911) and special assistance to persons with disabilities.
Canada is ahead of the U.S. in digitization and has maintained its position relative to other industrialized nations. The conversion to digital technology is almost 100 per cent. Canada has also constructed the longest terrestrial fiber optic network in the world using state-of-the-art design, manufacturing capability and construction methods.
A full range of business-related data communications networks and services are available in Ontario, including electronic mail, local area networks (LANs), telex, wide area networks (WANs), public message service, public databases, facsimile, and paging services. More details & data[/quote]
Source: Ontario Department of Finance via 2Ontario.com - Transportation & Communication.
See also: The entire 2Ontario.com site.
In Alberta's case, sliding way down on the pole, 2Ontario.com - Ontario Industries. The few that Alberta could create some value-added jobs around, but that south Ontario gets anyway because it's not way up and out in the middle of nowhere, with no markets to speak of.
The Heart of North America's Chemical Industry[/quote]
Of the 10 largest chemical companies in the world, eight have operations in Ontario.
During the past decade, the average annual profits of industrial chemical companies in Canada have been double those of companies in the U.S.
A Snapshot of Ontario’s chemical industry in 2004:
- 52,000 employees
- $18.2 billion in revenues
- $10.2 billion in exports
Ontario’s chemical companies are mostly concentrated in three clusters:
Sarnia
Sarnia is Canada’s largest cluster of chemical, allied manufacturing and R&D facilities. It includes companies such as Basell Canada Inc., Dow Chemical Canada Inc., INVISTA, Imperial Oil Limited (ExxonMobil), LANXESS (formerly Bayer Inc.), NOVA Chemicals Corporation, Praxair Canada Inc., Shell Canada Products, Air Products Canada Ltd., Terra International (Canada) Inc. and SCU Nitrogen Inc.
Greater Toronto Area
Chemical companies in the Greater Toronto Area (GTA) produce lubricants, paints, medical gases for home and hospital use, laundry detergent, adhesives and more. As Canada’s business centre and financial capital, [western kitten] Toronto is also a prime location for corporate headquarters. Bayer, BASF, DuPont Canada, Unilever and many other industry leaders have their Canadian head offices in the GTA.
Ontario East
Chemicals from Ontario East go into fleece jackets, seatbelts, airbags and many other high-tech fabrics and products. Industry leaders in the cluster include 3M, Air Products Canada Ltd., BASF, DuPont Canada (R&D), INVISTA, Lilly Industries, Nitrochem and Procter & Gamble.
All figures in US dollars.[/quote]
Source: [http://www.2ontario.com]2Ontario.com[/url] - Ontario Industries - [url=http://www.2ontario.com/industry/chemicals.asp]Chemicals
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The largest in North America, as with almost all of them (and the 401 is now the busiest freeway in North America (2Ontario.com - Fact Sheets & Studies - Ontario’s Infrastructure: Vital Statistics 2006 via Ontario Ministry of Finance, 2006, various budget and related papers for expansion; outside the City of Toronto "proper". There's nowhere to expand it to but underground inside the City of Toronto), not that it's any honor, it's gridlock, lost productivity (money/revenues), including the Windsor<->Detroit border crossing and just one freeway through Toronto, the 401, is estimated to cost "Canada" $2 billion a year in lost productivity. And more expenses in maintenance and upgrades to cover due to all the traffic.
But no matter it is, industries that some U.S. state or the whole U.S. should be #1, #2, #3, #4, #5 ... #10 in, and then "something in the Canadas" but even around chemicals of all things, New Jersey doesn't have bigger clusters than Ontario does. {Clusters is the semi-new term for sectors; businesses that work together in a common industry classification) Ontario out-produced "the U.S." (the usual crap, there always is one city-region in a state that's at the top and it's the Detroit area in Michigan, not all of the Michigans) in vehicles produced last year.
Refineries, petrochemical plants, get them out to the Albertas and the Atlantic Canadas and get some value-added jobs and semi-real economies going. All of it is worth next to nothing in Ontario's economy. Finance, insurance and real estate is the biggest money-maker in "Ontario" (because it is in the GTA) and other service-based industries.
All manufacturing combined in all of the Ontarios was only worth 20% of its real GDP last year. All primary industries (Agriculture, forestry, fishing and hunting: Crop production, Animal production, Forestry and logging, Fishing, hunting and trapping, Support activities for agriculture and forestry -- Mining and oil and gas extraction: Oil and gas extraction, Mining (except oil and gas), Coal mining, Metal ore mining, Non-metallic mineral mining and quarrying, Support activities for mining and oil and gas extraction) were worth less than 2% of Ontario's real GDP last year.
They screwed up the chart by separating the percentages of real GDP into goods producing and service producing industries at 2Ontario.com - Ontario Facts - Economic Structure (via Ontario Ministry of Finance, Ontario Economic Accounts). All industries should sum to 100% but on the chart at the link above, just Manufacturing and Finance, insurance and real estate are at 90.7 (goods producing) and 94.7 (services producing) respectively. And it is for a quarter because no 2005 comprehensive data are out yet, but quarters are often based on fiscal years and the fiscal year for the Ontario Ministry of Finance (every other dept./agency in the Canadas, U.S., etc.) runs from April 1 through March 31 meaning that Q3 is October 1 through December 31 (Jan 1, same difference, which is also used as the start of Q4; around fiscal years around governments. Businesses have their own fiscal years; and the solar year usually has nothing to do with anything unless you're in retailing tracking seasonal sales and such).
Source: Canada Online - Ontario
I didn't even check the link to see if it works or not because it's been all over the place that about half of all manufactured goods in the Canadas are produced in the TORONTO area, not "Ontario." There's more to add with the rest of the Ontarios, but all manufactured goods in all of the Ontarios were worth only 20% of the real GDP of "Ontario" last year. Fine, be picky about it and round up to 21%: the manufacturing that the rest of the Canadas just plum didn't bother with because they thought they could live on primary industries forever and when the industrial "revolution"/era hit south Ontario and southwest Quebec, we went into massive provincial debts to take advantage of it all, more debt that the rest of the GDP of the Canadas combined, and that led to the high tech "revolution"/era, which led to the information "revolution"/era, which is when cyberspace showed up to the rest of the Canadas and they figured out how far behind they all are with an economic chasm between the Windsor-Quebec City corridor and the rest of the Canadas.
The rest is made up of service/"new economy"/knowledge-based economy "sectors"/clusters.
An Industry Renowned for its Diversity and Innovation
Ontario [no such thing exists other than due to medieval insults to the word "structure"; there are at least five provinces of the Ontarios, without splitting northwest and northeast] is part of the North American manufacturing heartland and is favorably located to serve major Canadian and U.S. markets. 106 million people live within a day’s trucking distance of Toronto with a personal income totaling US $2.7 trillion. [2.5 million people, alleged, in the Calgary-Edmonton "corridor". Welcome to Nowhere. But to oblivious prairie hicks; it really looks like something is going on. I've seen Albertans claim that they're worth more than the U.S.. Per capita in whatever meaningless bizarreness, of course; not that they ever state so, because they don't know any differently. They spew propaganda that is word for word, exactly what they're told to spew by their "provincial" government and news media.]
Ontario is a global leader in several key sectors with a long history in supplying the world with innovative, high-quality, top value goods and services. If you’re planning to relocate or grow your business, Ontario’s highly diversified economy offers excellent opportunities in all sectors ranging from automotive, plastics, aerospace to information and telecommunications technology and the life sciences. [And plenty more without having to try to market some alleged "Ontario singularity" that doesn't exist.]
Tourism Investment
Ontario is first-choice for tourists visiting Canada, one of the world's top travel destinations. Discover why tourists come to play, and tourism investors stay to profit.
Aerospace
Ontario's aerospace industry is a world leader in the development and manufacturing of innovative products and services which are primarily destined for the export market.
Life Sciences
The province boasts the third largest biomed and technology cluster in North America. [The largest in North America is in Toronto. See City of Toronto for a whole other world and Toronto Competes. Or not because it's coming up in a post anyway.] The more than 600 firms benefit from Ontario's outstanding R&D climate and an exceptionally skilled labor pool.
Chemicals
Of the 10 largest chemical companies in the world, 8 are in Ontario, where the industry has been extremely profitable.
Food
Almost 200 agricultural commodities are being produced in Ontario providing the basis for the province's flourishing agri-food and food processing industry.
Infotech
Innovation flourishes in Ontario's three main IT clusters - Waterloo region, Greater Toronto and Ottawa.
Plastics
Ontario is the third largest plastics producer in North America with a fully integrated industry and a strong record of growth.
Automotive
Ontario currently leads North American automotive production. The province is home to 14 major assembly plants and over 400 auto parts manufacturers.
Call Centers
Call Centers are big business in Ontario. The province attracts the lion share of new operations in Canada due to low costs and higher productivity.
Environment
Ontario's environment sector is spearheading leading-edge technologies.
Forestry
Ontario's sustainably managed forests supply the wood and paper industries whose high quality products are exported worldwide.
Mining
A strategic location in the North American market coupled with diverse and abundant mineral wealth makes Ontario's mining and mineral exploration industry a world leader.
http://www.2ontario.com/industry/img/mining_chart.gif[/url]
[Even around natural resources/primary industries, which are worth nothing in the Ontarios.]
A premier mining and exploration jurisdiction in the world:
[list][*]Ontario boasts top experts in technology, science, metallurgy and the environment.
[*]More than 1,000 Ontario companies supply everything from contract mining to custom equipment design to hundreds of exploration and development projects in dozens of countries around the world. [Including the ones in the Canadas.]
[*][b]Toronto, Ontario, is the mine-financing capital [what next?] of the world.[/b] More mining companies are listed on the Toronto Stock Exchange (TSX) and TSX Venture Exchange than on any other exchange in the world. They have over 1,100 mining companies valued at $143 billion. [And then there's the real TSX.]
[*]Toronto Stock Exchange mining companies traded over 18 billion shares valued at CDN $140.7 billion in 2004 and an impressive $2 billion was raised by TSX Venture mining companies in 2004. [$200 billion would be an impressive shocker, showing the rest of the Ontarios and Canadas selling themselves out, being raped and plundered, as usual. Thank the gods it's only $2 billion.]
[*]Ontario’s next diamond mine is being developed by De Beers in the James Bay Lowlands of Northern Ontario[/list] [How fascinatingly boring.]
[b]Source:[/b] [url=http://www.2ontario.com/industry/home.asp]2Ontario.com - Ontario Industries[/url]
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But the Alberta Dept. of Finance can't even figure out what highways are for. The above is all stooped to the "Alberta level" and still kicks its sorry arse and has nothing to do with the real economies of the Ontarios or anywhere else on the planet.
In its 2004-05 economic forecast, then budget, the Alberta Ministry of Finance commissioned a study to try to figure out why "Ontario and Quebec" have so many more lane kilometers of highways combined, and also "noted" a dramatic increase in traffic -- and particularly truck traffic. But had no clue why. I would have told them for free as long as it didn't take more than 30 seconds.
It's due to JIT: just in time; reduce warehousing of anything worth anything (which doesn't include primary anything, which can and does sit in heaps, tank farms and silos until demand dictates otherwise and there's no demand to speak of in the Albertas) to a bare minimum and the warehouses ride around on/in the backs of trucks that arrive JIT.
Or not, due to gridlock, due to the negligent homicide of every "provincial" and territorial government/bureaucracy, particularly the "Ontario" feds and confederate feds, not returning anywhere close to enough of the revenues Toronto generates, our real highway infrastructure is over $10 billion in the hole compared to the rest of the Canadas, on maintenance and upgrades, while a billion here and billion there dribbles in and $22 billion a year on average is plundered by the confederate feds from the Ontarios, which the "Ontario" run half of on the City of Toronto; $11 billion in surplus for them, deficit for us, last year alone. And that's about all the entire Albertas generated in confederate revenues that it didn't (have to, with over $30 billion in "conservative surplus" kicking around in provincial slush funds for no apparent reason) receive back.
The Japanese came up with JIT (though the "National" Post, out of the western Canadas, just discovered it 3 or so years ago and "gave credit"/ranted about eeeeeeevil Toronto inventing it without even knowing what "it" is or why) and the Japanese nearly wiped the North American auto industry out with JIT in the early [b]1980's[/b].
The Alberta Ministry of Finance still has no clue what it even is. And has no reason to given that Alberta's "economy" is based almost entirely on primary "industries" that they can't even keep up with due to China and India around honey prices and price of chicken and such. We, NAFTA and everything else with real economies, have to out-innovate (new term, I just made it up) them in specialty manufacturing with knowledge-based "economies"/clusters to feed them; because we sure as hell can't out-price them around basic manufactured goods and Mexico, Central/South America won't be competing with Foodland Ontario (south) anytime soon, but they're certainly in our markets in imports.
Out-price everything in the world and you get to sell to our markets. Don't and you don't and you lose jobs, end up as welfare bums and we have to pay for you for no apparent reason. We don't need "y'all" for agriculture, forestry, any natural resources at all. We pay world prices and if you can't compete you die: other than that it's no way to run an economic union. The proper way to run it is to get "y'all" re-trained for industries you/we/NAFTA have a hope in hell of not only competing in at some Third World level, exporting raw/semi-processed natural resources and all of the value-added jobs and usual spin-offs, expanded markets and economies (so private investment) and revenue bases to stop this 'have-not' crap that only politicians benefit from.
The Atlantic Canadas are working like hell to get their economies "updated" starting with hydro-electric power (Niagara Falls, 1800s, is why the "Golden"/Rusty Horseshoe exists; cheap energy for manufacturing but that's gone to China and India for starters so what to do with the energy? Sell it to the U.S. or Windsor-Quebec City corridor so we can get even further ahead? Or use it doing what?), has digitized its telecommunications and it was great to see Nova Scotia (mostly Halifax) stole all kinds of helpdesk and call center jobs off Toronto because their costs are lower and their telecommunications is just as good -- and good for them. It's what we need a hell of a lot more of in this mess.
But Toronto fought back, capitalism is capitalism and this is the most capitalist city you will ever run into as "Canadians" and we took the jobs (not all of them, but more than enough) back. Compete or die.
What are they going to do in Newfoundland & Labrador, due to the insane 'Atlantic Accord' and 2004 "equalization" renewal, with the hydro-electic plant they can now build "with their own money" that isn't their own money? What's the big plan, Newfies? Export electricity to others so that we/they can "keep you down" and you can bitch about it? "WE built our own hydro-electric plants (with Ontario's revenues) and now those bastards are STEALING it all and giving us no jobs!" What jobs? That's your problem to figure out and demand from your own provincial government; not us. We don't elect your governments and may not even be interested in your electricity anymore than we are in Quebec's or Manitoba's. We can afford to generate our own energy on our own with our own revenues and don't need any of "y'all" for anything.
Declare differently on some level that matters and we'll import from anywhere on the planet instead, to spite your oblivious spite, lack of knowledge as to how real capitalism works given that y'all know nothing about it in this century.
The feds this, the feds that, Ontario has 106 of 308 confederate federal electoral districts (FEDs/"ridings"/MPs/votes) in the Canadas. That's 29.3 percent of the FEDs/MPs/votes with (in the 2001 Census, the first census of each new decade, which is supposed to adjust the FEDs/MPs/vote in "the Commons" to population percentage, Ontario had 37.28 percent of the population of the Canadas in the official 2001 Census numbers but only has 29.3 percent of the seats; not exactly a majority or even a third) and "y'all" elect the rest.
Want to go one-on-one with me (reality) around any "province" or territory in the Canadas claiming that "Ontario" has been favored by the confederates? We're about to string them up on flagpoles. And could use some help.
Happy with the confederates are y'all, while doing nothing but bitching and moaning about them? They're far worse than irrelevant to us and the hammer is going to drop on them; and nothing is holding more cards than South Ontario is. They are right on our land and Toronto isn't called the business/economic/financial center of the Canadas for no apparent reason.
We can/will freeze our, not their assets, refuse to process any financial transactions they try to make, wipe their bonds off the TSX, get every business in the Ontario Chamber of Commerce to stop paying any federal taxes/levies (or not; they'll just be intercepted and confiscated), plug up our municipal sewer systems where they meet our buildings that they think are "theirs", in Toronto and Ottawa, cut our power, communications for them, including satellite, order them out of our buildings and off our land -- before things get nasty.
What are they going to do about it? The Toronto Police Service alone, paid for entirely out of what the "Ontario" feds leave Toronto city hall with out of municipal taxes, out-mans the Canadian Army.
When the insanity stops, it does. When, not if, South Ontario (the GTA) even hints at playing the cards it holds, it's over. The rest of y'all can bitch and moan and blame, roll on the floor, the usual in the interim. We can't do that here on any level that matters or the "Canadian" economy collapses. When we "bitch" for real, a new union constitution and economic charter will be installed in less than 24 hours, no NAFTA or any other business that matters will be disrupted and you'll all find out about reality and will like it. Or will die.
So the Alberta Ministry of Finance found out nothing but what they already knew and had already reported: that "Ontario and Quebec" (Windsor-Quebec City corridor, actually) have the most lane-km of highways (Ontario has more than the rest of the Canadas combined) and that there's been a steady increase in truck traffic on them for decades -- for some unknown reason.
You're about 100 years behind us in infrastructure and general knowledge, let alone specialized knowledge and dissemination and particularly if Klein keeps stuffing billions of dollars in "conservative surplus" into slush funds (over $30 BILLION on a puny 3.3 million people? The confederates only keep $2 billion in reserve; Alberta has been totally hosed by the governments "y'all" elect, yourselves, nothing else; along with real capitalist ripping your hick governments off for being stupid hicks) that accomplish nothing instead of getting the money, BIG TIME, into the economy to build up the public goods/infrastructure and services (no, I'm not a "liberal" I'm a capitalist with rather radical views; like zero government other than what is absolutely necessary; like the military, a union intelligence/counter-intelligence [etc] agency, union law enforcement to actually do something with intelligence, embassies/consulates, to spy with, and to make passports worth something, a few other things and that's about it; and credit money is finished; take a look at the price of copper let alone gold and demand to be paid in commodities money or at least securities money instead of worthless credit money based on nothing and collapsing) to attract real private investment, diversified, for something other than crude to hand away at bulk slurry prices to get it through our pipelines, because we have the public and private goods/infrastructure and services to service the major U.S. markets and you don't.
But Klein held back again in this year's budget with dribs and drabs going into the necessary infrastructure and withholding land from developers (ever heard of Ft. McMurray?) because he's paranoid about speculators, and if we were that stupid in Ontario and Quebec (the Windsor-Quebec City corridor) we'd be long DEAD.
[Continued...]
Um, no. Dubbed the "Western Tiger" by the Alberta Government, Economic Development (marketing) Department. Just take a look at the page cited below, right at the top.
Calgary Economic Development, Edmonton Economic Development Corporation, Alberta Economic Development (marketing)
Alas. The dropdown doesn't dare include Ontario, so I can't get the marketing BS from the prairie hicks as to why I'd leave Toronto and move to Nowhere to freeze my ass off around a bunch of fools and deluded "superior racists".
And whatever a Canadian "western tiger" is supposed to be when BC + Alberta + Saskatchewan + Manitoba only generate 30.60 percent of the real gross domestic product (GDP) of the Canadas (Ontario alone has 42.04% ... and the sources have already been posted with charts, in this thread: not with BC merged in with the prairies, it's be quite an insult to BC, but do the math yourself; I just did it in 5 seconds) is a joke. And out of the whole 30.60% in real GDP the western Canadas, plural, had in 2004 (you won't find any accurate 2005 numbers yet; not for free), little Alberta had a whole 12.14% of the real GDP of the Canadas.
Western kitten. As I said, if/when y'all ever grow up and end up with a real economy -- we'll be the first to know about it in Toronto.
Uh huh. Oshawa, Ontario is the richest municipality in the Canadas. Try again. It used to be Abbotsford, BC. It has never been anything in the Albertas and that's that for the Canadas so shove the above where your head is.
And with 5,083.00 square kilometers of land (Calgary CMA; the municipalities and reserve above), you've got a whole 187.2 people per km2; which is certainly is sprawl. Even rural Halton Region has double the population density of "big" Calgary; in land area and propaganda/big yaps, and not much else.
Greater Toronto Area Population Density by Census Division
Source: Statistics Canada - Population and Dwelling Counts The usual link for anything municipal.
The "Greater Area" is quite a lot greater/larger, much more sparsely populated (than the City of Toronto -- 6,494.15 square kilometers bigger -- certainly not the Calgary CMA and with with 2,041.06 more square kilometers in the GTA than in the Calgary CMA, the "bottom line" above), so their real population growths had better be higher than the little City of Toronto's land area, with 2.5 million people already in it, just in irrelevant (due to millions of commuters, business travelers, tourists and other visitors) resident 2001 Census population.
Same source as the above for little Calgary, the biggest city-region in the Albertas and it doesn't even have a million people.
******* = Missing from the list of Census Subdivisions (CSDs/"municipalities" of any or no type) in the Calgary-Edmonton corridor if you can find the list of CSDs in the
http://geodepot.statcan.ca/Diss/Highlights/Page9/Page9d_e.cfm
Calgary-Edmonton Corridor at the link to it, right from Statistics Canada, which is somehwere in this sentence. Hick Hint: Note that corridor is underlined in the introductory text and click on it to get the list of CSDs/municipalities that make up the Calgary-Edmonton corridor.
How would anyone from Toronto spot that little error? We know ALL of your little details, far better than you do or ever will; that's how. And I wasn't even paid to notice that the "all-important" Brunderheim CSD is missing from the list of CSDs that make up the Calgary-Edmonton corridor, or the Calgary CMA or the Edmonton CMA or anything else. Feel free to report this MASSIVE oversight to Statistics Canada. I prefer to let them die a natural death over their numerous screw-ups.
There are only 25 municipalities in the entire GTA. There are 25 municipalities in little Edmonton alone; little in population/markets, as with everything in the Albertas. It only goes downhill from here (excluding Reserves as municipalities; but what the hell an SV is, who knows or cares with those populations? StatsCan't doesn't bother to document what they are, where it states that it documents the types of CSDs at the bottom of every table:
Go ahead and click to find out what an SV is. And take note of the "% change" in populations in those SVs. 66.7 percent in both Betula Beach and Point Alison!!!
Edmonton, the city and the CMA are both below the City of Toronto's population "% change" for the same period: 9.9 percent.
Ooh. 9,418.62 square kilomeeters (km2) for the Edmonton CMA or a whole 99.6 people per km2. That's just plain stupid hick-sprawl. But what else is now in Hickville.
And now, to the center of the universe where more riches than...
WOW. What furiousity. With a population of 67,707 people the service must be absolutely freaking HORRIBLE if any 2 million people (from where, you deluded freak? And as usual state your sources or it goes into your face as a big fat LIE) are trying to get service for anything. Let's see how big Red Deer is:
60.90 square kilometers, which gives it a real population density AS IS with the puny 68 thousand people above: 1,111.8 people per square kilometer -- as is. But an extra "nearly two million people"{/b], hell, welcome to Red Deer, Tokyo. But we've all, already heard about Hickville Red Deer from Alberta Tourism.
$105 billion in what related investments from where? In little Red Deer town? Do tell.
Downtown Red Deer
How thrilling "sprawling" Calgary and Edmonton are, let alone magnificent Red Deer. Now go away before you get reported, hick.
Hank C said:
Um, no. Dubbed the "Western Tiger" by the Alberta Government, Economic Development (marketing) Department. Just take a look at the page cited below, right at the top.
Source: http://www.alberta-canada.com/westernTiger/index.cfm
Calgary Economic Development, Edmonton Economic Development Corporation, Alberta Economic Development (marketing)
Alas. The dropdown doesn't dare include Ontario, so I can't get the marketing BS from the prairie hicks as to why I'd leave Toronto and move to Nowhere to freeze my ass off around a bunch of fools and deluded "superior racists".
And whatever a Canadian "western tiger" is supposed to be when BC + Alberta + Saskatchewan + Manitoba only generate 30.60 percent of the real gross domestic product (GDP) of the Canadas (Ontario alone has 42.04% ... and the sources have already been posted with charts, in this thread: not with BC merged in with the prairies, it's be quite an insult to BC, but do the math yourself; I just did it in 5 seconds) is a joke. And out of the whole 30.60% in real GDP the western Canadas, plural, had in 2004 (you won't find any accurate 2005 numbers yet; not for free), little Alberta had a whole 12.14% of the real GDP of the Canadas.
Western kitten. As I said, if/when y'all ever grow up and end up with a real economy -- we'll be the first to know about it in Toronto.
Hank C said:
Uh huh. Oshawa, Ontario is the richest municipality in the Canadas. Try again. It used to be Abbotsford, BC. It has never been anything in the Albertas and that's that for the Canadas so shove the above where your head is.
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Geographic Population
Code Official Name Type 2001 1996 %Change
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Calgary-Edmonton Corridor 2,149,586 1,913,339 12.3
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Calgary CMA 951,395 821,628 15.8
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4806016 Calgary C 878,866 768,082 14.4
4806014 Rocky View No. 44 MD 30,688 23,326 31.6
4806021 Airdrie C 20,382 15,946 27.8
4806019 Cochrane T 11,798 7,424 58.9
4806017 Chestermere T 3,414 1,911 78.6
4806026 Crossfield T 2,389 1,899 25.8
4806804 Tsuu T'ina Nation
145 (Sarcee 145) R 1,982 1,509 31.3
4806022 Irricana VL 1,038 823 26.1
4806024 Beiseker VL 838 708 18.4
___________________________________________________________And with 5,083.00 square kilometers of land (Calgary CMA; the municipalities and reserve above), you've got a whole 187.2 people per km2; which is certainly is sprawl. Even rural Halton Region has double the population density of "big" Calgary; in land area and propaganda/big yaps, and not much else.
Greater Toronto Area Population Density by Census Division
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Land
Population Area Population
Name 2001 1996 Growth Km2 Density
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Toronto 2,481,494 2,385,421 96,073 629.91 3,939.4
Peel Region 988,948 852,526 136,422 1,241.99 796.3
York Region 729,254 592,445 136,809 1,761.64 414.0
Durham Region 506,901 458,616 48,285 2,523.48 200.9
Halton Region 375,229 339,875 35,354 967.04 388.0
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Toronto 2,481,494 2,385,421 96,073 629.91 3,939.4
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Rest of GTA 2,600,332 2,243,462 356,870 6,494.15 400.4
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TOTAL 5,081,826 4,628,883 452,943 7,124.06 713.3
______________________________________________________________The "Greater Area" is quite a lot greater/larger, much more sparsely populated (than the City of Toronto -- 6,494.15 square kilometers bigger -- certainly not the Calgary CMA and with with 2,041.06 more square kilometers in the GTA than in the Calgary CMA, the "bottom line" above), so their real population growths had better be higher than the little City of Toronto's land area, with 2.5 million people already in it, just in irrelevant (due to millions of commuters, business travelers, tourists and other visitors) resident 2001 Census population.
Same source as the above for little Calgary, the biggest city-region in the Albertas and it doesn't even have a million people.
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Geographic Population
Code Official Name Type 2001 1996 %Change
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Edmonton CMA 937,845 862,597 8.7
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4811061 Edmonton C 666,104 616,306 8.1
4811052 Strathcona County SM 71,986 64,176 12.2
4811062 St. Albert C 53,081 46,888 13.2
4811034 Parkland County CM 27,252 25,222 8.0
4811059 Sturgeon County MD 18,067 15,945 13.3
4811049 Spruce Grove C 15,983 14,271 12.0
4811016 Leduc C 15,032 14,346 4.8
4811056 Fort Saskatchewan C 13,121 12,408 5.7
4811012 Leduc County CM 12,528 12,292 1.9
4811048 Stony Plain T 9,589 8,274 15.9
4811013 Beaumont T 7,006 5,838 20.0
4811068 Morinville T 6,540 6,226 5.0
4811018 Devon T 4,969 4,496 10.5
4811064 Gibbons T 2,654 2,748 -3.4
4811065 Redwater T 2,172 2,053 5.8
4811019 Calmar T 1,902 1,797 5.8
4811066 Bon Accord T 1,532 1,493 2.6
******* Bruderheim T 1,202 1,198 0.3
4811804 Stony Plain 135 R 1,100 959 14.7
4811069 Legal T 1,058 1,095 -3.4
4811806 Wabamun 133A R 998 858 16.3
4811805 Alexander 134 R 839 709 18.3
4811021 Thorsby VL 799 725 10.2
4811045 Wabamun VL 601 645 -6.8
4811024 Warburg VL 560 549 2.0
4811046 Spring Lake VL 457 425 7.5
4811014 New Sarepta VL 382 359 6.4
4811038 Seba Beach SV 109 124 -12.1
4811020 Sundance Beach SV 37 35 5.7
4811042 Lakeview SV 15 15 0.0
4811044 Kapasiwin SV 15 10 50.0
4811022 Itaska Beach SV 10 8 25.0
4811039 Betula Beach SV 10 6 66.7
4811041 Point Alison SV 10 6 66.7
___________________________________________________________http://geodepot.statcan.ca/Diss/Highlights/Page9/Page9d_e.cfm
Calgary-Edmonton Corridor at the link to it, right from Statistics Canada, which is somehwere in this sentence. Hick Hint: Note that corridor is underlined in the introductory text and click on it to get the list of CSDs/municipalities that make up the Calgary-Edmonton corridor.
How would anyone from Toronto spot that little error? We know ALL of your little details, far better than you do or ever will; that's how. And I wasn't even paid to notice that the "all-important" Brunderheim CSD is missing from the list of CSDs that make up the Calgary-Edmonton corridor, or the Calgary CMA or the Edmonton CMA or anything else. Feel free to report this MASSIVE oversight to Statistics Canada. I prefer to let them die a natural death over their numerous screw-ups.
There are only 25 municipalities in the entire GTA. There are 25 municipalities in little Edmonton alone; little in population/markets, as with everything in the Albertas. It only goes downhill from here (excluding Reserves as municipalities; but what the hell an SV is, who knows or cares with those populations? StatsCan't doesn't bother to document what they are, where it states that it documents the types of CSDs at the bottom of every table:
Statistics Canada said:
Go ahead and click to find out what an SV is. And take note of the "% change" in populations in those SVs. 66.7 percent in both Betula Beach and Point Alison!!!
Edmonton, the city and the CMA are both below the City of Toronto's population "% change" for the same period: 9.9 percent.
Ooh. 9,418.62 square kilomeeters (km2) for the Edmonton CMA or a whole 99.6 people per km2. That's just plain stupid hick-sprawl. But what else is now in Hickville.
And now, to the center of the universe where more riches than...
Hank C said:
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Code Official Name Type 2001 1996 %Change
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Red Deer CA 67,707 60,080 12.7
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4808011 Red Deer C 67,707 60,080 12.7
___________________________________________________________WOW. What furiousity. With a population of 67,707 people the service must be absolutely freaking HORRIBLE if any 2 million people (from where, you deluded freak? And as usual state your sources or it goes into your face as a big fat LIE) are trying to get service for anything. Let's see how big Red Deer is:
60.90 square kilometers, which gives it a real population density AS IS with the puny 68 thousand people above: 1,111.8 people per square kilometer -- as is. But an extra "nearly two million people"{/b], hell, welcome to Red Deer, Tokyo. But we've all, already heard about Hickville Red Deer from Alberta Tourism.
$105 billion in what related investments from where? In little Red Deer town? Do tell.
Downtown Red Deer
How thrilling "sprawling" Calgary and Edmonton are, let alone magnificent Red Deer. Now go away before you get reported, hick.
Re: RE: Ontario vs. Alberta?
No offense, I have no clue what you are talking about and don't care.
This is the Ontario forum. There are many forums on this site, and all over the Web, to discuss whatever about national or sub-national jurisdictions.
This is not one of them. This forum is where whatever a "local Ontario dicussion is" takes place.
What that is supposed to mean I have no clue, but it certainly doesn't mean discussing Namibia, Madagascar, Japan, Nunavat, Alberta or anything else outside the Ontarios.
And it's in the rules for every forum on this site to stick to the topic.
An idea might be to post a link to the Canadian Politics forum; but only if it relates to the description of this forum, "Local Ontario discussions" and Alberta has nothing to do with any Ontario discussions.
Kyle Korleski said:
No offense, I have no clue what you are talking about and don't care.
This is the Ontario forum. There are many forums on this site, and all over the Web, to discuss whatever about national or sub-national jurisdictions.
This is not one of them. This forum is where whatever a "local Ontario dicussion is" takes place.
What that is supposed to mean I have no clue, but it certainly doesn't mean discussing Namibia, Madagascar, Japan, Nunavat, Alberta or anything else outside the Ontarios.
And it's in the rules for every forum on this site to stick to the topic.
An idea might be to post a link to the Canadian Politics forum; but only if it relates to the description of this forum, "Local Ontario discussions" and Alberta has nothing to do with any Ontario discussions.
