Only a miracle can save the Grits as the true horror of ...

[dukee]

Liberals at the abyss
Only a miracle can save the Grits as the true horror of the sponsorship scandal reveals systemic looting of public purse

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...968332188492&DPL=IvsNDS/7ChAX&tacodalogin=yes

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Some political dynasties just fade away; the sudden death of others arrives with a bang. Minority Liberals could muddle along a while longer, or be suddenly forced to their knees by the sheer weight of their own gutter ethics. Either way, the end is now in sight.

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It's now self-evident that a young government still taking unsteady steps will only be allowed to stagger along until Conservatives come to the conclusion already reached by the Bloc Québécois — that after nearly 12 years and four Liberal victories, the country is ready to throw the rascals out.

That's the painful sting in time's political tail. When one party holds power too long, makes too may policy missteps and falls too often on its ethical face, voters don't elect a new government, they defeat the old.

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[Reverend Blair]

RE: Only a miracle can sa

The link doesn't work.

 

[dukee]

RE: Only a miracle can save the Grits as the true horror of

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...968332188492&DPL=IvsNDS/7ChAX&tacodalogin=yes

 

[no1important]

RE: Only a miracle can sa

I don't think so. The Liberals wil either get a good sized miniority or a narrow majority next time. In my neck of the woods it is really not an issue. Sure Martin was in Parliament but it is mostly Chretiens fault anyways.

This wont help the Conservatives, it will help Bloc. And the seperatists.

Harper should understand if Quebec goes, we will lose 75 seats federally bringing down the total to 233(for the new parliament) and Harper will never get much in Ontario, so do the math and see who will get a majority after majority. The Liberals can easily get 117 seats in the rest of Canada or whats left if Quebec goes.

It would be more advantagous for Harper to wise up and not make too much of a stink as he needs all those Bloc mp's to have a chance of preventing Libs from getting a majority. Since he won't win any seats in Quebec.

There is a good Chance the PQ will form next government in Quebec and have another vote to seperate as the current Liberal administration has a 70% disapprovel rate in Quebec.

BTW: Did anyone see Rex Murphy's comments on the National last night? He pretty well summed it all up.

 

[cub1c]

RE: Only a miracle can sa

Almost true, no1important.
The provincial liberals have a rate of disapproval of 75% of non francophone speakers and 80% in the francophone.

These numbers, published today, were taken BEFORE Brault's testimony. Except those numbers to rise!

Even with a miracle, PLQ will be defeated next election, and a referendum will happen.

Even if I'm a separatist and biased, I'm not dreaming.

 

[no1important]

RE: Only a miracle can sa

With disapproval that high the Liberals will be lucky to win any seats provincially and then Referendum number 3 will be waged. And unfortunatly suceeed this time.

 

[cub1c]

RE: Only a miracle can sa

Yes, no1important. But I know Québec so much. I can tell you that liberals will still get some seat here. I'm not racist, but all those seats will be in English speaking places in Montréal, and in the rich suburbs. By the way, rich suburbs in Montréal are English.

Although I'm happy with all this, I feel really sad for all my Canadian fellows. Maybe they don't like separatists, but the BQ has done so much things for ALL CANADA, not only Québec. They will probably realize it too late.

But I'm sure they will understand that Québec wants a new begining, and wants to do it WITH Canada.

 

[crit13]

Re: Only a miracle can save the Grits as the true horror of

Harper should understand if Quebec goes, we will lose 75 seats federally bringing down the total to 233(for the new parliament) and Harper will never get much in Ontario, so do the math and see who will get a majority after majority. The Liberals can easily get 117 seats in the rest of Canada or whats left if Quebec goes.

This post makes no sense. The Conservatives never get seats in Quebec while Liberals depend on Quebec for a couple dozen seats. With no Quebec, I count Liberals losing large and the Conservatives losing NOTHING. Net gain for the Consevatives.

Don't bet on Ontario voting red this time. They are already fuming at the biggest liar in provincial political history.

It would be more advantagous for Harper to wise up and not make too much of a stink as he needs all those Bloc mp's to have a chance of preventing Libs from getting a majority. Since he won't win any seats in Quebec.

That's right. Let's just sweep it under the rug. After all, it's the Liberal way.

There is a good Chance the PQ will form next government in Quebec and have another vote to seperate as the current Liberal administration has a 70% disapprovel rate in Quebec.

If Quebec seperates, we have no one to blame but the Liberals.

 

[no1important]

RE: Only a miracle can sa

No sense?
If quebec was not in Canada right now Martin would have a majority.

Parliament would lose the 75 seats from quebec.

Our new parliament would have 233 seats. A majority in this new parliament with no quebec anymore would be 117 seats.

How does that not make sense. It is quite simple.

Ontario aint going blue either. They will stay mostly red.

The thing is it looks like seperatists will get in over this Gomery thing but if Quebec leaves it wont benefit Harper. The conservatives may get in one out of every 20 elections but basically we will have Liberals in for a long time. That is if PQ leaves like expected.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Only a miracle can sa

Everything I've seen and heard out of Ontario today shows them going Liberal...especially the coveted 905 are code. They don't care about Gomery, most don't even seem to know what it is, but they do know about Stevie Harper and they ain't voting for him.

There seems to be a bit of a shift in downtown Toronto, but that's going left, not right. The same thing seems to be happening in BC.

 

[mrmom2]

RE: Only a miracle can save the Grits as the true horror of

IF Quebec goes they better take the lions share of the national debt with them and i bet they will have fun with their natives too.I could see them demanding the whole James bay area See ya

 

[dukee]

Re: Only a miracle can save the Grits as the true horror of

Everything I've seen and heard out of Ontario today shows them going Liberal...especially the coveted 905 are code. They don't care about Gomery, most don't even seem to know what it is, but they do know about Stevie Harper and they ain't voting for him.

We'll see when the polls are out on Monday....

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Only a miracle can sa

I've waiting, Dukee. I hate going by man on the street stuff, but it's all we've had and everything I've seen personally has matched. That excludes partisan positions though. I don't think you did that.

 

[sanch]

Re: Only a miracle can save the Grits as the true horror of

If Quebec goes so would Paul Martin and much of the Liberal leadership. I wonder what Martin would do?

 

[Ten Packs]

RE: Only a miracle can save the Grits as the true horror of

Astoundingly typical: on Global National tonight, they read a few emails from viewers re the scandal. One person (from Ontario, of course!) wrote; "It doesnt matter WHAT my beloved Liberals do - they will always be the Party for me."

Brass-poles......

 

[Reverend Blair]

Re: Only a miracle can save the Grits as the true horror of

I wonder what Martin would do?

Go back to his coal-hauling boats and pay lobbyists to undermine his previous position. Go to another Bilderberger deal. Maybe give Georgie a long, slow blow job instead of the hurried ones he's been forced to give in the coat-check room.