Online pornography to be blocked by default, UK PM announcesMost households in the UK

Cliffy

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Kids are learning about sex from porn. A disconnect in identifying the difference of love and lust in sex.
I agree but how many adults know the difference? How many even know what love is? Seems, in a culture of repressed sexuality, sex has become a substitute for love in many cases as we do not teach our children anything about it. It has been all hush hush and taboo for so long, is their anybody left who has a clue about the truth. Porn is just a symptom of a much greater social problem, one that we have exported to most other parts of the globe.
 

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I agree but how many adults know the difference? How many even know what love is?
Piece of piss.

"Love is that condition which exists when another person's welfare and happiness are essential to your own"
--R.A.H.

Seems, in a culture of repressed sexuality, sex has become a substitute for love in many cases as we do not teach our children anything about it. It has been all hush hush and taboo for so long, is their anybody left who has a clue about the truth. Porn is just a symptom of a much greater social problem, one that we have exported to most other parts of the globe.
In defence of "us," there's plenty of places on the globe that are even more f*cked-up about sex than we are. The Middle East and much of Africa spring to mind.
 

Cliffy

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Piece of piss.

"Love is that condition which exists when another person's welfare and happiness are essential to your own"
--R.A.H.


In defence of "us," there's plenty of places on the globe that are even more f*cked-up about sex than we are. The Middle East and much of Africa spring to mind.
Agreed. And to what would you contribute that to?
 

Tecumsehsbones

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yep. Something I've observed, as well.
Off-topic, I like the fact that we can go at each other hammer and tongs on the whole Zimmerman thing, and still me mutually respectful and appreciative on other issues. I think it proves we're not wingers.

You're a good guy. Just figured it couldn't hurt to tell you that.
 

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David Cameron's porn law an all-around disaster

We haven't, thought it through, we'll do it anyway

23 Jul 2013 10:28 | by Nick Farrell in Rome |




David "tough on masturbation, tough on the causes of masturbation" Cameron has admitted that his crack-pot crusade to purge the net from porn is about as effective as a chocolate teapot.​

According to the Daily Telegraph , Cameron is getting much mockery over his plan to save children from the perils of porn, but he will press ahead with it anyway.​

He already had to climb down after it was pointed out that the Sun should be filtered for running Page Three. Cameron needs Sun readers.​

The problem is that if Page Three is not banned then the internet filter is going to be completely arbitrary and pointless and won't prevent children from seeing naked women at all.​

If it was possible for Cameron to look even more ignorant and disconnected with this law he certainly managed it.​

His cunning plan was based around the idea that ISPs had agreed to introduce family-friendly filters that automatically block pornography unless customers chose to opt out. Unfortunately it was fairly clear that the ISPs had done no such thing, and some were still lobbying the government to tell it to sling its hook.​

Cameron's plans were criticised by anti-censorship groups, who warned that sites about sexual health and sexuality could get caught up in the ban. Other critics warned that censorship sets a dangerous precedent, is more about control, and that the government could go further than pornography.​

While Cameron was thinking "what about the children" he failed to realise that the technology to ban internet porn was impossible.​

Anyone who wants to watch porn will simply use a proxy site in another country and the whole thing will be a waste of time.​

Take, for example, blocking the Pirate Bay. Although ISPs must legally oblige, a simple Google search will get anyone who wants it to a proxy in seconds.​

Cameron admitted that there might be a few "problems down the line" with the system particularly as he has already ruled out "soft" or written pornography from the scheme entirely.​

This makes any internet filter, short of the great firewall of China, technologically unviable. Even in China it is still possible for people to see porn.​

To make matters worse the former head of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection centre (CEOP), Jim Gamble, said Cameron's plan to tackle child abuse images by removing results from search engines like Google would be "laughed at" by paedophiles.​

Paedophiles get their porn from peer-to-peer, not from Google, and arrests are too few.​

Gamble said that if Cameron really wanted to protect kids from paedophiles he should be investing money in child protection teams, victim support and policing on the ground.​

Under Cameron's plans all households will have to "opt out" of automatic porn filters, which would come as standard with internet broadband and cover all devices in a house.​

Possession of the "most extreme forms of porn" will become an offence, while online content will have the same restrictions as DVDs sold in sex shops.​

Search engines have been told they will have to redact results from specific searches, while anyone accessing websites shut down by the police for containing such images will see a message warning them that what they are doing is illegal.​

But it is fairly clear that Cameron really did not have a clue which legal sites should be banned by the filters and was blaming the technology for having weaknesses.​

Talking to the Beeb, Cameron claimed that the filters could evolve over time. He thinks that companies are going to design what is automatically blocked.​

What's more alarming is that Cameron wanted to create marital strife by embarrassing "a husband" who wanted to see porn. Never mind that a "husband" also might not like the idea of Cameron censoring his internet connection.​

Cameron's moves are even hitting at his own conservative core. While there are the usual Daily Heil readers who want everything to be banned other than pictures of royal babies, many conservatives see censorship as a nanny state intervention.​



 

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The last time I checked, many internet service providers have special child locks on to stop children accessing porn that the adults can turn on and off at will. There's no need for this nanny state censorship.

And you think they work? Ha! I got through all of them when I was 12-16ish. Internet or not kids will get their hands on porn one way or another. They've been doing it for generations. Its kind of like drugs and alcohol. Its illegal for kids to have both but the ones who want it dont have a lot of trouble finding both.

Do you get equally frustrated over the 'censorship' of having to subscribe and pay for specific tv channels?

Thats the main reason why I never got cable or any other tv service. There are only a couple channels I like and unfortunately we cant pick and chose. Ive heard thats coming though.

Kids are learning about sex from porn. A disconnect in identifying the difference of love and lust in sex.

Porn is how I found out what sex was. Someone left a VHS is plain sight in a closet. It didnt really have any influence over how I actually viewed sex or performed when I started becoming sexually active. Porn is not very realistic at all. If people model how they have sex after what they saw in porn they are in for a very uncomfortable ride.