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Jinentonix

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Who is winning and why haven’t they won yet ? How many Canadian tax dollars are being poured into this never ending conflict ? Why don’t we have enough to financially support our veterans ? How much has Zelenski’s fired defence minister squirrelled away ?
You'd have been a real larf from 1939 to 1945.
 

Jinentonix

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Are you equating the Ukraine situation to World War Two ? That is a stretch .
Tell that to the Poles in 1939. "Meh, it's only one country, Hitler will stop there."
How many more Ukrainian lives are you willing to sacrifice ?
I'm not sacrificing anyone. If the Ukrainians wish to continue resisting Bedpan's aggression that's their choice, not mine or anyone else's.
 

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Tell that to the Poles in 1939. "Meh, it's only one country, Hitler will stop there."

I'm not sacrificing anyone. If the Ukrainians wish to continue resisting Bedpan's aggression that's their choice, not mine or anyone else's.
Do they ? From what I am hearing fighting age men are leaving , but what do I know .
 

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Do they ? From what I am hearing fighting age men are leaving , but what do I know .
There's always going to be refusers. The Quebecois in WW2, Americans during Vietnam, Russians and Ukrainians in their current conflict, etc.
Plus there will be a percentage who did their tour and don't really want to do another one. Not that I blame them.
 
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There's always going to be refusers. The Quebecois in WW2, Americans during Vietnam, Russians and Ukrainians in their current conflict, etc.
Plus there will be a percentage who did their tour and don't really want to do another one. Not that I blame them.
There is the Tucker version then there is reality.
 

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I don’t think anyone over here has a complete grasp on reality .
Its political posturing for the viewers. Meanwhile whats really going on can be found 24/7 through various means and sources that arent profit driver by drug ads.

If you news source has drug conmercials, change the fucking channel.
 

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Its political posturing for the viewers. Meanwhile whats really going on can be found 24/7 through various means and sources that arent profit driver by drug ads.

If you news source has drug conmercials, change the fucking channel.
My t.v. is rarely on news sources . How ever I must admit am not paying much attention to the war , but the little I see is all over the place .
 

petros

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My t.v. is rarely on news sources . How ever I must admit am not paying much attention to the war , but the little I see is all over the place .
Youre not one of the ones saying Canadian junkies are more important are ya? I see Yankees saying that quite often too.

Waaaaa what about the people living on the streeeeet...waaaaa.

Let the junkies die and keep sending our junk arms. We're getting rid of useless shit on both ends.
 

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Upward of 20,000 Ukrainian amputees face trauma on scale unseen since First World War
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Evgeniy Maloletka
Published Sep 04, 2023 • 4 minute read

LVIV, Ukraine — The small band of soldiers gather outside to share cigarettes and war stories, sometimes casually and sometimes with a degree of testiness over recollections made unreliable by their last day fighting, the day the war took away their limbs.


Some clearly remember the moment they were hit by anti-tank mines, aerial bombs, a missile, a shell. For others, the gaps in their memories loom large.


Vitaliy Bilyak’s skinny body is a web of scars that end with an amputation above the knee. During six weeks in a coma, Bilyak underwent over 10 surgeries, including his jaw, hand, and heel, to recover from injuries he received April 22 driving over a pair of anti-tank mines.

“When I woke up, I felt like I was born again and returned from the afterlife,” said Bilyak, who is just beginning his path to rehabilitation. He does not yet know when he’ll receive a prosthesis, which must be fitted individually to each patient.

Ukraine is facing a future with upward of 20,000 amputees, many of them soldiers who are also suffering psychological trauma from their time at the front. Europe has experienced nothing like it since the First World War, and the United States not since the Civil War.


Mykhailo Yurchuk, a paratrooper, was wounded in the first weeks of the war near the city of Izium. His comrades loaded him onto a ladder and walked for an hour to safety. All he could think about at the time, he said, was ending it all with a grenade. A medic refused to leave his side and held his hand the entire time as he fell unconscious.

When he awoke in an intensive care unit the medic was still there.

“Thank you for holding my hand,” Yurchuk told him.

“Well, I was afraid you’d pull the pin,” the medic replied. Yurchuk’s left arm was gone below the elbow and his right leg above the knee.

In the 18 months since, Yurchuk has regained his equilibrium, both mentally and physically. He met the woman who would become his wife at the rehabilitation hospital, where she was a volunteer. And he now cradles their infant daughter and takes her for walks without the slightest hesitation. His new hand and leg are in stark black.


Yurchuk has himself become the chief motivator for new arrivals from the front, pushing them as they heal from their wounds and teaching them as they learn to live and move with their new disabilities. That kind of connection will need to be replicated across Ukraine, formally and informally, for thousands of amputees.

“Their whole locomotive system has to be reoriented. They have a whole redistribution of weight. That’s a really complicated adjustment to make and it needs to be made with another human being,” said Dr. Emily Mayhew, a medical historian at Imperial College who specializes in blast injuries.

There are not nearly enough prosthetic specialists in Ukraine to handle the growing need, said Olha Rudneva, the head of the Superhumans center for rehabilitating Ukrainian military amputees. Before the war, she said, only five people in all of Ukraine had formal rehabilitation training for people with arm or hand amputations, which in normal circumstances are less common than legs and feet as those sometimes are amputated due to complications with diabetes or other illnesses.


Rudneva estimated that 20,000 Ukrainians have endured at least one amputation since the war began. The government does not say how many of those are soldiers, but blast injuries are among the most common in a war with a long front line.

Rehabilitation centers Unbroken and Superhumans provide prostheses for Ukrainian soldiers with funds provided by donor countries, charity organizations and private Ukrainian companies.

“Some donors are not willing to provide military aid to Ukraine but are willing to fund humanitarian projects,” said Rudneva.

Some of the men undergoing rehabilitation regret they’re now out of the war, including Yurchuk and Valentyn Lytvynchuk.

Lytvynchuk, a former battalion commander, draws strength from his family, especially his 4-year-old daughter who etched a unicorn on his prosthetic leg.


He headed recently to a military training ground to see what he could still do.

“I realized it’s unrealistic. I can jump into a trench, but I need four-wheel drive to get out of it. And when I move ‘fast’ a child could catch me,” he said. Then, after a moment, he added: “Plus, the prosthesis falls off.”

The hardest part for many amputees is learning to live with the pain — pain from the prosthesis, pain from the injury itself, pain from the lingering effects of the blast shockwave, said Mayhew, who has spoken with several hundred military amputees over the course of her career. Many are dealing with disfigurement and the ensuing cosmetic surgeries.

“That comorbidity of PTSD and blast injury and pain — those are very difficult to unpick,” she said. “When people have a physical injury and they have a psychological injury that goes with it, those things can never be separated. ”


For the severely injured, rehabilitation could take longer than the war ultimately lasts.

The cosmetic surgeries are crucial to allowing the soldiers to feel comfortable in society. Many are so disfigured that it’s all they believe anyone sees in them.

“We don’t have a year, two,” said Dr. Natalia Komashko, a facial surgeon. “We need to do this as if it was due yesterday.”.

Bilyak, the soldier who drove over anti-tank mines, still sometimes finds himself dreaming of battle.

“I’m lying alone in the ward on the bed, and people I don’t know come to me. I realize they’re Russians and they start shooting me point-blank in the head with pistols, rifles,” he recounted. “They start getting nervous because they’re running out of bullets, and I’m alive, I show them the middle finger and laugh at them.”
 

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Youre not one of the ones saying Canadian junkies are more important are ya? I see Yankees saying that quite often too.

Waaaaa what about the people living on the streeeeet...waaaaa.

Let the junkies die and keep sending our junk arms. We're getting rid of useless shit on both ends.
junkies . Where did they come from ? The Brits used to gather them up in press gangs and ruled the seas .
 

petros

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junkies . Where did they come from ? The Brits used to gather them up in press gangs and ruled the seas .
I keep here of how people at home are living on the streets but we have billions for Ukraine. The people on the streets are what? Middle class families or are they junkies on the streets?
 

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I keep here of how people at home are living on the streets but we have billions for Ukraine. The people on the streets are what? Middle class families or are they junkies on the streets?
Not from me . There are lots of ways we can use those billions of borrowed dollars .
 
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