Old Europe VS New Europe

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"Europe," proclaimed de Gaulle, "is France and Germany: the rest are just trimmings."



The celebrated Letter of the Eight expressing support for the U.S. stance on Iraq has been seen as giving substance to U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's evocation of "New Europe" as a counterweight to the "Old Europe" of France, Germany, and their satellites. There is an obvious historical resonance in Rumsfeld's remarks: one of the Eight was Portugal, and it was in discussing Portugal's affairs in the Commons in December 1825 that British Foreign Secretary George Canning made his famous claim, "I have called the New World into existence, to redress the balance of the Old." After the end of the Cold War unfroze the rivers of geopolitics and marked the Rebirth of History, it took some time for the old concepts of the Balance of Power and alliance-building to re-emerge as driving forces in the world. But now they are definitely back. What's more, the numbers game has its own historical antecedents--in the strategic maneuvering within western Europe, pitting Britain's Seven (the European Free Trade Association, or EFTA) against France and Germany's Six (formerly the EEC, or European Economic Community, now the EU, once the Empire of Charlemagne), in the late 1950s and the 1960s. In the background stood the western superpower, the United States. Now we have the Eight, not to mention the Vilnius Ten. Can one speak of America's Eighteen?

France seems to have no doubts. We recently watched a Gaullist deputy saying on BBC television that the appropriate division was not between "old Europe" and "new Europe" but between "free Europe" and "American Europe." And "free Europe" has been seen, since Charles de Gaulle, as including Russia: de Gaulle sought a "Europe from the Atlantic to the Urals" that would compete with the United States for world hegemony. But it had to be achieved in stages. The first had to involve forging an alliance between France and Germany. "Europe," proclaimed de Gaulle, "is France and Germany: the rest are just trimmings." De Gaulle's government put forward in the early 1960s a plan, the Fouchet plan, that uncannily prefigured the Chirac-Schroeder plan for an intergovernmental political union in effect an anti-democratic superstate run by France and Germany with small countries squashed. It is hardly a mystery, then, that accession countries, most of them former provinces of the Soviet empire, are beginning to feel uncomfortable about the imperialism of France. Chirac's Brezhnev-like instruction to them to shut up and not attempt to meddle in the affairs of grown-ups rightly infuriated them, and the joint Franco-German-Russian approach to the Iraq question just as rightly worries them. The prospect of vassal status in a Franco-German condominium as staging-post to a Franco-German-Russian condominium is never going to be an attractive one.

To make things worse, the threatened "Constitution" will ensure that the Franco-German empire will have the characteristics of a New Soviet Union. It will incorporate the so-called Charter of Fundamental Rights, whose terrifying article 52 ordains, in polar opposition to the U.S. Bill of Rights, that all freedoms--of speech, of the press, of assembly, of political association, from arbitrary arrest, from punishment without legal sanction, from unfair trial, even from torture--shall be taken away if "made necessary by the pursuit of the objectives of the Union."

So joining the New Soviet Union will, for the accession countries, mean condemnation to vassal status in an anti-American, repressive empire. They may regard the United States as potentially their protector against the worst aspects of the NSU. But the United States is not going to join the NSU. And Chirac is as anxious to ensure that the accession countries do not import pro-American attitudes into the NSU as de Gaulle was forty years ago to keep Britain, suspected of being a Trojan Horse for the United States, out. So why might the governments of the accession countries choose to shut up rather than stay out?

The NSU will provide subsidies to the accession countries; Chirac presumably calculates that the accession treaties will thus replicate the Treaty of Dover (the secret treaty in which Charles II pledged England's political and naval support to Louis XIV's foreign policy in return for subventions). In addition, as the illusions of the Rubin world--the belief that global free-market capitalism not only is good in itself (which is true) but also makes geopolitics redundant (which is patently untrue)--slip away, the accession countries will fear a return to the interaction between trade and politics that plagued the 1950s and 1960s. Britain formed the Seven in 1959 because it feared that the Six would be protectionist and exclude

Britain from some of its major markets. Then-Prime Minister Harold Macmillan wrote confidentially that, "For the first time since the Napoleonic era the major continental powers are united in a positive economic grouping, with considerable political aspects, which, though not specifically directed against the United Kingdom, may have the effect of excluding us both from European markets and from consultation in European policy." As a Foreign Office official wrote, again confidentially, in 1959, "EFTA was formed primarily as an economic defense organization and the simile of a bridge-head would in fact have been more apt than that of the bridge."

Britain never really believed EFTA could last: its real purpose was as a bargaining-chip that could lead to a wider European free trade area encompassing both the Six and the Seven. But a free trade area was absolutely the last thing France wanted: its aims were indeed geopolitical, Napoleonic. And Britain received no support from the United States, whose policy was unequivocally (and extremely naively and short-sightedly) aimed at creating a political union in Europe--and initially wanted Britain out because it, just like de Gaulle, believed British entry would make full political union more difficult. Now the wheel is turning full circle. As distrust between the United States and "old Europe" grows ever more marked, the risk that the NSU seeks to use trade restrictions as a geopolitical weapon is rising. For Britain, as for the accession countries, the choice may yet be between accepting the extinction of national independence, democracy, and freedom in an anti-American NSU or having to face the equivalent of Napoleon's Continental System of trade exclusion.

Could the United States help now by offering an Atlantic Free Trade Area, for which Britain campaigned vigorously but unsuccessfully in the 1950s? Any such offer would now face strong opposition from British Prime Minister Tony Blair, truly a would-be Napoleonic figure, who knows that in an AFTA the job opportunities for Messiahs would be limited. And if it were nonetheless made, the United States would risk widening the split between "old Europe" and "new Europe" and might find itself faced with Franco-Germania and its Low Country satellites, occupying approximately the territory of the empire of Charlemagne, as enemy. But the more likely effect of such an offer would be to isolate France and Belgium from Germany, the Netherlands, and "new Europe." It could prevent the creation of a hostile and internally riven NSU that would, under French leadership, seek to join hands with Russia against the United States. It would help preserve the open and capitalist world trade and financial system, which will otherwise be in serious danger. It would definitely be the better alternative.

Sadly, it may already be too late for some "new Europe" countries--Portugal, Spain, and Italy. Why? Because they are in the European monetary union. These three non-Carolingian countries were allowed into the euro at the insistence of France, who saw them as likely monetary allies against Germany. Now, their economies are in varying stages of disarray as the result of the euro. Portugal, at least, is facing a looming economic, financial, political, and social crisis even worse than that which convertibility forced on Argentina. Portugal can be bailed out only by large, permanently maintained transfers from "Europe." In return, Portugal will be expected to fall in line with "old Europe" and to embrace the NSU, a deal indeed mimicking the Treaty of Dover. When in 1971 then-Prime Minister Sir Edward Heath re-submitted Britain for and to EC entry, French President Georges Pompidou said to his confidantes that, "Je la veux nue"--and Heath accepted the principle of the monetary and political union that would strip his country of sovereignty and independence. If the accession countries repeat Portugal's mistake and join not only the EU but also the euro, then France will have them not only naked but touching their toes. It should certainly be a priority of U.S. diplomacy to seek to dissuade them.

Bernard Connolly is chief economist, AIG, and author of The Rotten Heart of Europe: The Dirty War for Europe's Money.

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European Resistance to the Return of the Carolingian Empire
by Albert A Nofi
March 19, 2003
The European Resistance to the Return of the Carolingian Empire- Some 1200 years ago, Germans and French were united under the emperor Charlemagne in the Carolingian empire. While that empire is long gone, many Europeans fear it is returning. This can be seen in an interesting dynamic developing in the European Union (EU). The two principal continental members, France and Germany, are finding most of the other members increasingly aligned against them. This is probably less because Britain, Spain, Italy, Poland, etc., are all that worried about Iraq than about European issues. The other powers are worried about the revival of the Carolingian Empire. Between them, the French and Germans have tended to dominate the EU bureaucracy, and have been imposing a lot of restrictions on the commerce of many of the other members, in the form of "standardization" of manufacturing and quality guidelines.

The French have dominated decision-making about agricultural standards. As a result, wines and cheeses made for thousands of years in Italy, Greece, or Spain don't meet many of the EU regulations, and thus cannot be sold outside of their native countries. Together with the Germans (with whom no love is lost, but business is business, after all), the French have also imposed many manufacturing guidelines that squeeze out competing products from other EU members. For example, Spanish computer keyboards cannot be sold outside of Spain - they do not conform to the EU standards. Those standards include all the diacritical and accent marks common to French and German, but exclude some found only in Spanish. Even university curricula are being rejected if they don't conform to the Franco-German norm.

The British may have a more nuanced view of the Iraq situation, but they also have issues with the EU. The mandatory adoption of the metric system even in the pub seems an excessive intrusion, but even more difficult to swallow is the EU insistence that they adopt a written constitution and bill of rights, particularly given that the British have managed to be the freest people in Europe for nearly a thousand years without either.

The Franco-German bid to dominate the EU creates a neo- Frankish Empire, a development which does not sit well with the rest of Europe. Russia, France and Germany were the three greatest threats to European freedom over the past four centuries. Given the alternative, the "fringe" European powers would prefer to align themselves with the Yankees, even when they may be wrong.

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WILL THE FRANCO-GERMAN VISION OF THE EU PREVAIL?
by George Jonas
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November 17, 2003
There's a tug-of-war going on for the soul of Europe. The opposing teams are France-Germany on one side and most of the European Union on the other. At least, that's the potential line-up: The EU will soon grow from 15 countries to 25, and some haven't quite made up their minds which side to join. Not surprisingly, they would prefer to join the winning side. Russia, for instance, spent the past few years alternately ringing alarm bells about Franco-German ambitions for dominance -- and then supporting the same, especially against the United States.

To assure the triumph of their vision, France and Germany have for some time considered a drastic step: gradual unification between the two countries. The weight of such a combination could be decisive in any tug-of-war.

The idea has been brewing under the surface for years but once in a while it plops to the top, as it did last week in the columns of the French newspaper Le Monde. French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin referred to moves toward French-German unification as "the one historic challenge we cannot lose," while French EU commissioner Pascal Lamy floated the trial balloon of a unified French-German diplomatic service and a sharing of France's permanent seat at the UN Security Council with Germany.

At issue is the nature and composition of the European Union. Franco-German or hard-core Europe -- also known as "old Europe," courtesy of U.S. Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld -- envisages a continental entity that is unfettered by, or even hostile to, transatlantic bonds. This vision of the EU encompasses a bureaucratically "harmonized" state with a semi-command economy, a kind of glass-cockpit socialism for the 21st century. Such a Franco-German construct would be "nuanced" and "civilized" -- the code words denoting a state with a pragmatic bent, flexible ethics and a commitment to realpolitik. It would have a defence force separate from NATO, and held as aloof as possible from Anglo-American cultural, political and judicial influences.

In short, it would split Western civilization into an Atlantic and a continental branch.

An entirely different vision of the EU had been summarized in a declaration signed in January this year by eight member countries: Spain, Portugal, Italy, Britain, Poland, the Czech Republic, Denmark and Hungary. A key sentence in their document read: "The real bond between the United States and Europe is the values we share: democracy, individual freedom, human rights and the Rule of Law."

These countries, soon to be joined by a further group of new member states, look warily at the emerging Franco-Belgian-German eurocracy of Brussels. Most prefer a U.S.-inspired model of a free-enterprise liberal democracy to a dirigiste state, even if the latter is glossy and up-to-date. They also wish to safeguard the transatlantic alliance. Another key part of their January declaration read: "We in Europe have a relationship with the United States which has stood the test of time. Thanks in large part to American bravery, generosity and far-sightedness, Europe was set free from the two forms of tyranny that devastated our continent in the 20th century: Nazism and Communism. Thanks, too, to the continued co-operation between Europe and the United States we have managed to guarantee peace and freedom on our continent."

Such statements aren't music to Franco-German ears. Neither are they music to the ears of socialist or environmentalist gurus -- France's Jean-Noël Jeanneney, Pascal Lamy, Henri Nallet and Dominique Strauss-Kahn, or Germany's Joschka Fischer, among others -- whose ideas have set the tone of the European community, or at least its ruling circles. These Franco-German thinkers and statesmen fear that, with the expansion of the Union, pro-Atlantic and anti-statist sentiments may become dominant in the 25-member EU. This concern has prompted them to consider either a stronger union between the two European giants of France and Germany, or possibly a two-tiered EU in which a core group -- i.e., France-Belgium-Germany -- would forge ahead, then invite second-tier countries in the "euro-zone" to join them. Join them, that is, as long as these minor or new-EUers are prepared to commit to what Strauss-Kahn and his co-authors described in an earlier article in Le Monde (June 20, 2001) as "a model of social solidarity and external independence" -- the code words meaning a state of centralized bureaucracy that is as resistant to Anglo-American as it is receptive to Franco-German influence.

This is the polite way to describe the Strauss-Kahn model of anti-Anglo-American statism. Less polite would be euro-national socialism sans genocide: Nazism with a human face.

In modern times we've grown accustomed to viewing France and Germany as highly distinct and usually hostile nations. But this perception masks their historic origins. The French and German tribes share both Teutonic and Gallo-Roman roots. At one time, after the Frankish conquest of Gaul, they were essentially the same people. Later they shared a great ruler in Charlemagne. This was at the height of the Holy Roman Empire -- in many ways the precursor of the European Union. For France and Germany, a political union, far from being unprecedented, would be a repetition of their earlier history.

The attempt to resurrect the ancient Frankish empire of Charles the Great as a counterbalance to American "unilateralism" is no doubt motivated by what I once described as phallUS-envy, but even more by historic opportunism. France and Germany are glimpsing a chance. Having been continually frustrated in their global ambitions, they don't want to see Europe slip out of their grip. Charlemagne, legendary ruler of the "First Reich" in the 9th and 10th centuries, is a hero in the national mythology of both France and Germany. It seems the two heavy hitters of old Europe, having failed to build their empires in modern times, are now hoping to excavate one.

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Now I did read them for the most part, because I felt a bit guilty about my remark, I mean, I'm just surfing on the Net, so why not read it?

Anyway, I'll keep it short now, for I don't feel like a big reply now (not that I don't find this discussion extremely interesting): 1) I do think that France (French government) can sometimes really overreact in it's way to "criticize" America; 2) I also think the writers of the article do overestimate the anti-American feelings in Europe. The ones who speak out loudest, are also the ones heard. But this does not mean they represent the overall atittude.
 

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I think it would be great if France and Germany joined together to create one country. There are a lot of Germans and a lot of French that support this idea, just as long as unique cultures are retained. Citizens in Germany would remain German and citizens in France would remain French... Probably working out to something like the European Union and a little closer just between France & Germany.

A stronger and more powerful Europe would be ideal in my opinion.


Rick: RE: Anti-americanism in Europe. I know a lot of Germans who love American culture but I also know a large portion of them who can't stand the United States. It's very split now-a-days and the days of JFK gather crouds in West-Berlin are over. More and more now are becoming very anti-american.
 

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French and Germans think that by forming the EU they can challenge the US, but that's rubbish, because in the future the US will be more ahead of the EU than it is now.

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-The USA will be still the greatest power, but its share in world GDP will drop from 28.5 to 25 %,

-China will become the second power with 22 % of world GDP,

-The European Union, including 10 additional countries (Turkey, Norway, Bulgaria, the Czech republic, Hungary, Rumania, the Baltic states, Poland, Slovenian, Slovakia) will represent just 18 % of world GDP compared to 28 % in 2000.

-As for Japan, its share of world GDP will decrease from 14% in 2000 to 7% in 2030.


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Yes I have to agree Andem that anti-American sounds are increasing, but it does not mean that they reject American culture. It's kinda hypocrite. I know a lot of people who indeed share anti-American feelings, but at the same time, just as easily go to McDonalds, wear Levi jeans and watch MTV ... and not that it is the primary reason of the growing anti-American sentiment, but I have the feeling that anti-American feelings in Europe have increased with Bush becoming president in 2000, and the starting of the Second Intifada ... not that it justifies anything ...
 

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Re: RE: Old Europe VS New Europe

Blackleaf said:
French and Germans think that by forming the EU they can challenge the US, but that's rubbish, because in the future the US will be more ahead of the EU than it is now.

-The USA will be still the greatest power, but its share in world GDP will drop from 28.5 to 25 %

It is insane to think that the US, the world's most powerful nation, would ever allow Europe to become more powerful, either economically or militarily. It will squash any attempts to do so.

As for anti-American feelings in Europe, they are shared around the world, and understandably so. Yet even if the American government was to actually become the 'good world citizen' that it vigorously claims to be already, the country would still be hated for the simple fact of its all-encompassing might. You just cannot be so far and away at the top and expect to be liked.
 

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I don't think right now, the US has any chance or even a choice in which direction Europe takes in either arming it's self or making it's self more powerful in terms of economy.

Look at it like this: The American army is stretched extremely thin right now and just does not have the manpower to control Europe or any other country for that matter. They can't get Usama, they can't keep Iraq in control and they are on the verge of losing this war in Iraq with the insurgence and defiance in Iraq which is growing literally by the day.

Haggis, I appreciate you view that the US would try to squash Europe where they get the chance, but to be hoenst, they won't get the chance. They are decreasing their presence in Europe and they can't afford anything else at the moment.
 

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Europe at most is a distraction for the US.

'We are beholden to the Chinese by our Treasuries. That worries me.' Carla Hills, Former U.S. trade representative

'All Beijing has to do is to mention the possibility of a sell order going down the wires. It would devastate the U.S. economy more than any nuclear strike.' Asia Times, Jan. 23, 2004

In October 2003 Roger W. Robinson Jr (head of the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission) gave testimony to the U.S. House of Representatives on options the Chinese could use for undermining the U.S. economy.

Colonels Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui, two high-ranking officials in the People's Liberation Army of China, said in their book, Unrestricted Warfare:

"Financial war is a form of non-military warfare which is just as terribly destructive as a bloody war, but in which no blood is actually shed... When people revise the history books... the section on financial warfare will command the reader's utmost attention."

The US sends many jobs and now companies over there - they have the manufacturing base that the US used to have. The US sends all their money over to them for these goods and the Chinese build more factories, power plants, military hardware. They just sent a man into orbit.

In ulitmate irony, US investors now invest in these Chinese companies - send them even more money. The Chinese must be laughing at the stupidty of the Americans.

China is the end game. US intelligence understands this. "They are not stupid. They sit and they wait. They will strike." The US is "frightened" of China above all.
 

Haggis McBagpipe

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Andem said:
Haggis, I appreciate you view that the US would try to squash Europe where they get the chance, but to be hoenst, they won't get the chance. They are decreasing their presence in Europe and they can't afford anything else at the moment.

Yes, but an army presence is only one small way that the US exerts its influence around the world. The US is THE superpower, there is no other. They will do whatever it takes to maintain that position of sole supremacy, for it is far easier to maintain sole supremacy than it is to make nice with equals in power.

Thing with even the staunchest ally is, internal change can turn that sworn ally into the enemy. It is the far stronger position, and therefore more logical one to choose, to simply prevent anybody from becoming an equal, to keep the playing field uneven, as it is now.
 

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Keeping that field uneven may not be a choice for the United States for long. Their debt is crippling enough that they've been compared to Venezuela and Chile by some economists. The majority of that debt is owned by countries that could easily become less friendly.

Many in the world are tired of US dominance, especially the constant meddling in the internal affairs of others, and are willing to undermine US authority. Should any of those factions come to power in a country like Saudi Arabia, they could badly damage the American economy.

At the same time, inside the USA consumer debt is rising, high-paying long term jobs are being replaced with low-paying short term jobs, the manufacturing base is shrinking, and the real average wage has been dropping for decades. Their domestic situation is as shakey as their international one.

I know that it seems impossible that the world's largest economy could fail overnight, but the policies that were first put in place under Reagan have been expanded ever since. Those policies never were sustainable and the USA is fast reaching the point where any failure would be irretrievable.

Basically what the US has done is the equivalent of you or me borrowing several million dollars and declaring ourselves to be millionaires while never paying off the debt. The only reason they have gotten away with it this long is the goodwill of their creditors. That goodwill is on increasingly shakey ground.
 

Haggis McBagpipe

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I'm with you on that 100%, Rev. There can be no question that the US economy is teetering, that it could fall overnight. It is a bit unnerving, though, to think of what they might do to survive an imminent financial crash.
 

Reverend Blair

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Even if the US doesn't react violently to the fall, we will suffer for it here in Canada. Yet our government wants to get even closer to the US instead of creating some distance and diversifying our markets.
 

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Reverend Blair said:
Even if the US doesn't react violently to the fall, we will suffer for it here in Canada. Yet our government wants to get even closer to the US instead of creating some distance and diversifying our markets.

All the more reason I pine (hopelessly, I suspect) for a new Trudeau-esque leader to come along and restore the realization that to live and work so close to that powerful neighbour requires vigilant attention to keeping us separate from it. I think if such a leader did come along, he would be rejected, though.
 

Reverend Blair

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I'm not so sure he would be rejected. The Canadian people seem to be seeing that things are spinning out of control, that we've lost control of own country. What would more likely happen is that he would be muzzled by the two main parties, either relegated to their back benches or forced into one of the alternative parties where people were unlikely to hear his message.