OIL POLITICS

[jimmoyer]

" Although no oil-company or government estimates were made public James Paul of the Global Policy Forum offered these estimates: Iraqs oil is the worlds cheapest to produce, at a cost of $1 per barrel. The gigantic 'rent' on Iraqs oil during the decades of production, could yield company profits in the range of 4 to 5 trillion .......Assuming fifty years of production and 40% royalties, Iraq could yield annual profits of $80-$90 billion per year, more than the total annual profits of the top five companies, even in the banner year of 2003."

From American Theocracy pg; 91

That's worth a lot of death JimMoyer, Bush's only country is money
what he does with it's peasant population is just good bussiness, grow up, your countrys run by the oil industry.

--------------darkbeaver---------------------------------------------

Darkbeaver, let's just say without nitpicking your "facts"
that all of what you say is true.

Now what?

My grandparents and parents lived in the Great Depression. We of the West are all in it together
and our economies will shrink drastically as you
applaud the shutdown of the Persian Gulf.

The little guy is going to get crushed YOUR WAY
or THEIR WAY.

Got it?

Regarding this motivation of oil, it is way beyond
either the left or right pontificating.

 

[Finder]

*scratches head* ok

 

[darkbeaver]

Jim the little guys have been crushed for to long, should we continue to perpetuate thier misery, I do not want to continue that. I do not see oil as, way beyond my consideration, I may actually consume more of it than you do, it is vital, we of the west are in it together, that's true but we must consider the planet, the issue is no longer a regional matter, it's global. What is easier, change in the west or change in the rest?

 

[Finder]

Don't we have to start changing our oil consuption anyways? As we are going now they say we may hit critical mass sooner then expected and that would kill north american life since we all know a good portion of the middle class in both the USA and Canada live in the burbs. So we have to find another way to fuel our cars, or expand mass transit for a better and more economical way to travel.

 

[jimmoyer]

However we emancipate ourselves from oil will
be a long process, and it must be somewhat of
a long transition because as you will note throughout
history RAPID RADICAL change ALWAYS hurts
the little guy in the interim.


Radical rapid change ALSO hurts the little guy,
so when you applaud the shutdown of the Persian
Gulf by Iran's new 233 mile per hour underwater
missle, you're just as wrong as the bellicose rightwinger.

 

[Finder]

Re: RE: OIL POLITICS

However we emancipate ourselves from oil will
be a long process, and it must be somewhat of
a long transition because as you will note throughout
history RAPID RADICAL change ALWAYS hurts
the little guy in the interim.


Radical rapid change ALSO hurts the little guy,
so when you applaud the shutdown of the Persian
Gulf by Iran's new 233 mile per hour underwater
missle, you're just as wrong as the bellicose rightwinger.

True I'd agree with that and I think both the Canadian and American government should invest heavily into new methods now before it becomes a crisis. I think current funding is a little too low. Also currently any form of hybrids or h-cell cars are mostly being used right now as a status sysmbol and are not affordable by the common person. This also has to change. I'm hopeful it will. However for the short time we are stuck with using up our oil supply (which shouldn't be a priority but is).

 

[darkbeaver]

Re: RE: OIL POLITICS

However we emancipate ourselves from oil will
be a long process, and it must be somewhat of
a long transition because as you will note throughout
history RAPID RADICAL change ALWAYS hurts
the little guy in the interim.


Radical rapid change ALSO hurts the little guy,
so when you applaud the shutdown of the Persian
Gulf by Iran's new 233 mile per hour underwater
missle, you're just as wrong as the bellicose rightwinger.

The little guy is being crushed all over the world as we speak, day in and day out 24/7 nonstop death and starvation, Einstiens and Mozarts fed into the machinery of consumption to keep the rich and powerful happy and fat. They die for us JimMoyer they die for nothing. I like a fair fight and if Iran is to be attacked I 'd like them to have some small chance to make the empire bleed.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

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DARK BEAVER WRITES:

They die for us JimMoyer they die for nothing. I like a fair fight and if Iran is to be attacked I 'd like them to have some small chance to make the empire bleed.

This will be known as Classic DarkBeaver. Or for short smurfology.

 

[Alberta'sfinest]

We can't just emancipate ourselves from oil in any desireable way. The reality is that we'll have to due just that in 50 years or less.
You're right darkbeaver, the little guy is being screwed constantly through a well though out and well controlled matrix. Not an electronic matrix like in the movie. Those who come to figure out the matrix become free of it's hold on their lives by becoming the ones who control it. The odd thing is that the more you learn about the matrix and how it functions, the more you start to see the reason for it's presence. It's just a much more preferrable situation to create a manufactured reality for the masses to keep them wound up in their own lives so that they don't get in the way of what needs to be done. People simply are much happier living in a lie, than seeing the truth.

 

[Finder]

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We can't just emancipate ourselves from oil in any desireable way. The reality is that we'll have to due just that in 50 years or less.
You're right darkbeaver, the little guy is being screwed constantly through a well though out and well controlled matrix. Not an electronic matrix like in the movie. Those who come to figure out the matrix become free of it's hold on their lives by becoming the ones who control it. The odd thing is that the more you learn about the matrix and how it functions, the more you start to see the reason for it's presence. It's just a much more preferrable situation to create a manufactured reality for the masses to keep them wound up in their own lives so that they don't get in the way of what needs to be done. People simply are much happier living in a lie, than seeing the truth.

thats what they do in Alberta

"People simply are much happier living in a lie"

 

[darkbeaver]

Re: RE: OIL POLITICS

Ther is a fish in BC waters that's full of oil.

 

[darkbeaver]

Re: RE: OIL POLITICS

DARK BEAVER WRITES:

They die for us JimMoyer they die for nothing. I like a fair fight and if Iran is to be attacked I 'd like them to have some small chance to make the empire bleed.

This will be known as Classic DarkBeaver. Or for short smurfology.

Where you perchance retired on a tomanydeadbraincells pension.
To bad you have nothing classic to contribute, even your dis's are miss's.

 

[jimmoyer]

Darkbeaver, perhaps your egalitarian philosophy makes
you forget about the Division of Labor and how organic
all layers of society are.

If everyone was a Mozart genius, our laundry wouldn't
get done and the weeds would take over the yard.

All of us are unequal. We wish even opportunity
would be equal, but it can never be equal because we
are not equal in talent, intelligence and energy.

This is our nature. The individual.

Different.

We'll still never tie on the finish line of any race,
even if we all start off at the same time.