'Oh, Jeremy Corbyn!' at Glastonbury

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Something extraordinary is happening in this country.

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/878378379334090753

How? He just lost the General Election.

Last night I watched live coverage of Foo Fighters who were headlining on the Pyramid Stage in front of a vast sea of people. They should have headlined at Glastonbury in 2015 but had to pull out because Dave Grohl broke his leg on stage a few days beforehand whilst performing in Sweden, so it ended up being Florence and the Machine headlining instead. Foo Fighters were much more interesting than Corbyn performing a bit of self-promotion.



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Look at the size of that crowd at the Pyramid for Foo Fighters! KG



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Glastonbury wouldn’t survive under a Corbyn government

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Only Jeremy Corbyn could speak at Glastonbury and think he was addressing the oppressed proletariat. Glastonbury, he said, while introducing an unintelligible US rapper on the Pyramid Stage, shows ‘that another world is possible if we come together’.

To most observers, rather, it shows what is possible when the middle classes pay £228 a head and drive down to Somerset in their VWs, packed with glamping tents and Cath Kidston wellies. As Bruce Dickinson of Iron Maiden put it a couple of years ago, Glastonbury has become ‘the most bourgeois thing on the planet’.

What would happen to Glastonbury if Jeremy Corbyn really did win a general election rather than just think he did? Don’t count on it continuing to exist at all. You might still get a few big acts flying in for a few days to perform there, but they certainly wouldn’t be living in Britain any more. They would do as the Rolling Stones and countless others did in the 1970s: decamp to a tax haven, quick. How many of those cheering young Corbynistas know the story behind the Rolling Stones’ album Exile on Main Street, which was completed in the South of France after the Stones had fled the Inland Revenue?

Whether the festival could bear the cost of Corbyn’s minimum wage and the banning of zero-hours contracts is another matter. How would the contractors who put on Glasto afford the caterers and the security staff with a minimum wage of £10 and no flexibility in how they employ staff? How would the lesser bands afford the roadies if they had to be employed on permanent contracts guaranteeing them so many hours work a week even when the band wasn’t touring? A Corbyn government would presumably want to introduce pay ratios for bands, as he does for public sector contractors – so Thom Yorke’s pay would be pegged to that of the guy who lumps around the amplifiers for Radiohead. I think he might just go and play Las Vegas instead.

A Corbyn government might like to look at the ticket prices, too, which have increased from £1 in 1970 to £238 this year – that’s a 20-fold increase even allowing for inflation. Perhaps they will be capped, to stop the festival becoming even more middle class. If Corbyn really wants to emulate his socialist heroes, Michael Eavis will find himself having Worthy Farm nationalised beneath his nose, turned into state farm number 101.


Tickets at the very first Glastonbury Festival in 1970 cost £1 - compared to £238 this year

It probably won’t get quite that far, though. I can imagine the chants at Glastonbury the year after Corbyn became Prime Minister, with the public finances ruined and Britain’s creditors demanding genuine public spending cuts – not the non-cuts (in other words, rises) in public expenditure which George Osborne visited on the nation. You would be able to hear it in Bath, Exeter, Salisbury: ‘Jeremy Corbyn. Out, out, out!’

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/06/glastonbury-wouldnt-survive-corbyn-government/
 
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But since the election the May Tories have appeared as the bumbling heartless crowd they are and Corbyn's message is rising and exciting the people.....


Corbyn overtakes May for first time as voters' choice for best Prime Minister, YouGov poll finds

Jeremy Corbyn overtakes Theresa May for first time as voters' choice for best Prime Minister, poll finds | The Independent

So he's in the lead in the POLLS, is he? The British polls have been notoriously inaccurate for the last couple of years. The polls were saying May would win quite easily even the day before the election. If there was another election tomorrow May would win again as the British public would far rather have her at the helm than a dangerous Marxist, IRA/Hamas-lover.
 

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How? He just lost the General Election.

If Theresa May and Co. just won that election, it was a pyrrhic victory, at best. Corbin was written off as having no chance and he damned near formed a government.
 

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If Theresa May and Co. just won that election

Which they did.

it was a pyrrhic victory, at best.

Well you don't know that. Parliament was only opened a few days ago.

Corbin was written off as having no chance and he damned near formed a government.

But, thankfully for the well-being of the nation, he didn't. The British people showed in the election that they don't want Corbyn to form a government.
 

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You may be right about Corbyn forming a government would be a disaster. Having a weak and impotent opposition can also be a disaster, in our system.
 

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You may be right about Corbyn forming a government would be a disaster. Having a weak and impotent opposition can also be a disaster, in our system.

It is claimed that the dominance of one party undermines our democracy. What we need, apparently, is not so much a strong government but a strong opposition.


Mr Corbyn speaks to the media following the Labour Party's Clause V meeting


This is the line that has been peddled since Corbyn became Labour leader, where the glaring weakness of the Tories’ opponents is meant to be a cause for national alarm.

But like so much conventional wisdom this is a fallacy. The theory stems in part from Benjamin Disraeli, who wrote in 1844 that “no government can long be secure without a formidable opposition”.

This Victorian adage is now treated as a sacred constitutional truth but there is no evidence to support it. In fact history shows that the most successful governments have been those with the weakest opposition.

Lloyd George’s dynamic coalition government, formed in 1916, won the First World War in the absence of any strong challenge.

Churchill’s coalition of 1940-1945 had no opposition at all which did not prevent it from conquering the Nazis.


Mrs May holds a Conservative Party press conference at One Canada Square

Both Clement Attlee’s postwar Labour government and Mrs Thatcher’s 1980s Tory administration were able to push through far-reaching reforms precisely because their opponents were broken.

In contrast John Major’s 1990s Conservative government was almost paralysed by the strength of the energetic Labour Party under Tony Blair.

Strong opposition is not a lubricant to good governance but an immobiliser. It prevents an elected party from enacting its policies. On the other hand, weak opposition means that measures in the national interest cannot be frustrated by partisan opportunism.

A classic example was David Cameron’s Tory-led coalition, which had a healthy majority over an enfeebled Labour Party under Ed Miliband and so could implement austerity to reduce the deficit.

The need to have a strong opposition is a political myth, writes Leo McKinstry | Leo McKinstry | Columnists | Comment | Express.co.uk
 

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Strong opposition is all that stands between freedom and dictatorship, in our system. We don't have competing checks and balances like the American system does.
 

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So he's in the lead in the POLLS, is he? The British polls have been notoriously inaccurate for the last couple of years. QUOTE]


Polls in the USA and here are just as inaccurate BUT they are free advertising for the leaders of those polls....
 

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Strong opposition is all that stands between freedom and dictatorship, in our system. We don't have competing checks and balances like the American system does.

Strong opposition can prevent an elected government from enacting the very policies which is was elected to enact.
 

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Strong opposition can prevent an elected government from enacting the very policies which is was elected to enact.

Nonsense. Not if you have a majority in parliament. If you don't, there are questions about your legitimacy to enact policies without broad consensus.

This democracy thing, eh?

Dreadfully inconvenient.
 

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' spontaneously starts singing 'https://twitter.com/OwenJones


And yet a few months ago Owen Jones was so harshly criticizing him. Some turnaround. :)




So he's in the lead in the POLLS, is he?

I have to agree, the election is over, no one in the Tories is dumb enough to help bring down this government,
the DUP most definitely will NOT support Comrade Corbyn and his IRA lovers,
and May has 4 years to turn things around.
Polls are completely nothing right now.
 

Blackleaf

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Nonsense. Not if you have a majority in parliament. If you don't, there are questions about your legitimacy to enact policies without broad consensus.

This democracy thing, eh?

Dreadfully inconvenient.

Try telling that to John Major, whose 1990-97 administration struggled to enact its policies because of the strong opposition of Blair's Labour Party.

And yet a few months ago Owen Jones was so harshly criticizing him. Some turnaround. :)






I have to agree, the election is over, no one in the Tories is dumb enough to help bring down this government,
the DUP most definitely will NOT support Comrade Corbyn and his IRA lovers,
and May has 4 years to turn things around.
Polls are completely nothing right now.

I think May will serve the full five-year term and then, at the next election on Thursday 5th May 2022, she'll win in a landslide after delivering Brexit.
 

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Look at the size of that crowd at the Pyramid for Foo Fighters! KG



And look at the garbage they left behind....
















If this is supposed to be the generation of lieberal Labour loving Corbyn voting hippy kids
that shouts so loud about the environment, they sure have a funny way of showing it.

Think Global, Act Local..... Yeah, nope. Shameful.
 

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And look at the garbage they left behind....
















If this is supposed to be the generation of lieberal Labour loving Corbyn voting hippy kids
that shouts so loud about the environment, they sure have a funny way of showing it.

Think Global, Act Local..... Yeah, nope. Shameful.
What a filthy bunch of pigs.