Obama's speech in Berlin

[givpeaceachance]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2llrIl72NVc

This is a link to the speech Barack Obama gave in Berlin July 24,2008.

I just want to say that, until I watched this speech, I was a total Obama supporter but now I'm not so sure what I think of him any more.

Nobody can deny that he gave an amazing speech. He completely won everybody over, no doubt about it. It was brilliant. He says some pretty powerful things that you just can't deny are good and true, HOWEVER he also says some very powerful things that have major One World Order undertones. It shocked me to hear those undertones coming from his - Barack Obama's - mouth.

And it's creepy how these undertones are so thinly veiled in his speech and in his words of hope and change and freedom. The subtlety of the double meaning is eerie. He even started one of his paragraphs off with "In this New World . . ." and i KNOW you can say it's nothing but i also know the truth is usually looking you in the face and i know that every word in any speech is meaningful because every word that is written, is put there on purpose. Throughout the entirety of the speech the words new world, one world definitely ring out. And I don't think that that was for nothing.

I was totally for Obama. Totally for him! Until I saw this speech. And now I'm thinking I need to step back and take a closer. I'm super disappointed. I can hardly believe that someone so seemingly amazing could be so wrong. If what i'm hearing in this speech is true, then we're definitely all screwed no matter who wins the U.S. presidential elections. And judging by the way Obama was talking in Berlin and the elixir effect this speech had on most anyone who's heard it, he's already won.

It's weird because I know he didn't technically say anything wrong, out right, but it's what you can read between the lines that is freaking me out a bit. Maybe I'm being stupid but I can't help but notice my Spidey senses are tingling.

And I have some questions.

What was he doing there in the first place? What was the reason for this speech? Why all of a sudden, this 'call' towards a New World? A call to 'constant work and sacrifice'? I know that Obama is NOT anti-war. He's said so himself.

I admire the idealism of the speech. Not very many people can disagree with the things he is saying. BUT he is certainly 'hinting' at what we are in for in order to achieve those goals and all ready he's making it sound like War. I wonder how many others will hear the hypocrisy in his speech? And he started to sound a lot like Bush when he started talking about terrorism. That also shocked me to hear. I was disappointed there too a bit.

Also, Obama seems like a good guy and everything, and I'm not trying to be stupid or anything, but who is Barack Obama to be standing there, at the Victory Column in Germany, of all places, and seemingly present himself to the world as a potential World leader? (but without really saying so). You can't help but get the sense that he was appealing to the world at large. Is that a bad thing? No, not if you have something worth giving to the world. But I'm sorry, I just can't help but be suspicious of this. Biggest question is why? I can't help but think that there is more to this than just boosting his ratings and winning the elections because, with this speech, Obama has revealed, at least IMO that he has his sights on something greater than just being the President of the United States.

I hope that I'm wrong and maybe i'm just freaking out for nothing.

I don't know, but does anybody else hear what I what I hear?

 

[talloola]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2llrIl72NVc
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Also, Obama seems like a good guy and everything, and I'm not trying to be stupid or anything, but who is Barack Obama to be standing there, at the Victory Column in Germany, of all places, and seemingly present himself to the world as a potential World leader?
He is potentially a world leader, and so is McCain, whoever wins the election

I hope that I'm wrong and maybe i'm just freaking out for nothing.
You are

 

[Kreskin]

Phrases like "New World" means to me something different from the divisive madness that Bush and Cheney have promoted.

 

[dancing-loon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2llrIl72NVc

This is a link to the speech Barack Obama gave in Berlin July 24,2008.

I just want to say that, until I watched this speech, I was a total Obama supporter but now I'm not so sure what I think of him any more.

Nobody can deny that he gave an amazing speech. He completely won everybody over, no doubt about it. It was brilliant. He says some pretty powerful things that you just can't deny are good and true, HOWEVER he also says some very powerful things that have major One World Order undertones. It shocked me to hear those undertones coming from his - Barack Obama's - mouth.

And it's creepy how these undertones are so thinly veiled in his speech and in his words of hope and change and freedom. The subtlety of the double meaning is eerie. He even started one of his paragraphs off with "In this New World . . ." and i KNOW you can say it's nothing but i also know the truth is usually looking you in the face and i know that every word in any speech is meaningful because every word that is written, is put there on purpose. Throughout the entirety of the speech the words new world, one world definitely ring out. And I don't think that that was for nothing.

I was totally for Obama. Totally for him! Until I saw this speech. And now I'm thinking I need to step back and take a closer. I'm super disappointed. I can hardly believe that someone so seemingly amazing could be so wrong. If what i'm hearing in this speech is true, then we're definitely all screwed no matter who wins the U.S. presidential elections. And judging by the way Obama was talking in Berlin and the elixir effect this speech had on most anyone who's heard it, he's already won.

It's weird because I know he didn't technically say anything wrong, out right, but it's what you can read between the lines that is freaking me out a bit. Maybe I'm being stupid but I can't help but notice my Spidey senses are tingling.

And I have some questions.

What was he doing there in the first place? What was the reason for this speech? Why all of a sudden, this 'call' towards a New World? A call to 'constant work and sacrifice'? I know that Obama is NOT anti-war. He's said so himself.

I admire the idealism of the speech. Not very many people can disagree with the things he is saying. BUT he is certainly 'hinting' at what we are in for in order to achieve those goals and all ready he's making it sound like War. I wonder how many others will hear the hypocrisy in his speech? And he started to sound a lot like Bush when he started talking about terrorism. That also shocked me to hear. I was disappointed there too a bit.

Also, Obama seems like a good guy and everything, and I'm not trying to be stupid or anything, but who is Barack Obama to be standing there, at the Victory Column in Germany, of all places, and seemingly present himself to the world as a potential World leader? (but without really saying so). You can't help but get the sense that he was appealing to the world at large. Is that a bad thing? No, not if you have something worth giving to the world. But I'm sorry, I just can't help but be suspicious of this. Biggest question is why? I can't help but think that there is more to this than just boosting his ratings and winning the elections because, with this speech, Obama has revealed, at least IMO that he has his sights on something greater than just being the President of the United States.

I hope that I'm wrong and maybe i'm just freaking out for nothing.

I don't know, but does anybody else hear what I what I hear?

Hi, peace;
I just finished listening to his speech again. No, I don't hear what you hear, but I think it is good to be cautious. These are all only words. He is a powerful speaker, no doubt. His intentions, aspirations... talking about "citizens of the world"..."breaking down dividing walls"... are great visions for the future. Should he become president and would want to live up to his vision, he'll have his own walls in Washington to break down first! That will be his hardest task, to be true to himself.
He deserves a chance to prove himself worthy of the people's trust, not just the trust of the American people, but most importantly the trust of the people of the world. He will have to seize the moment in time, his time - our time, to bring about change for the better of all the nations. If he could stop the American war machine he would have achieved more than God himself could even dream of achieving. The rest would be a piece of pie.

Why did he speak in Berlin? Why not? It's the heart of Europe - it's a historic city with meaning to the Americans - a good place to introduce himself to the German people who have increasingly become anti-American. It was a well calculated political move.

I put much hope on him. He is the best horse they have in the barn. I wish we Canadians had this opportunity of selecting a great person to lead our country. Unfortunately, no such bright light has appeared on the horizon yet.

 

[data]

he has his sights on something greater than just being the President of the United States.
I hope that I'm wrong and maybe i'm just freaking out for nothing.
I don't know, but does anybody else hear what I what I hear?

You got a bad feeling. Your belly does not lie to you. How else could Obama make his way to that point? Cowboy country will only vote for a cowboy and so he must look, behave, think and talk like a cowboy, best with missionary zeal, as a strong believer (in what heavenly stuff ever).

The crowd applauded his shining teeth until he came to Afghanistan, where Taliban bravely fought the Soviet invasion 8O8O8O, but then hosted Al Kaida and OBL, what made them to terrorists, what should be tracked over the eastern border, if Pakistan fails to fight them. The international forces should help the Pakistan army, if it fails longer to solve that problem...

He may be not concerned about the cans of worms, he will open by that, but the jubilant spectators got a dry throat at that point. Their belly told them, they could be meant to replace US soldiers in that dangerous and non winnable job to cross the Durand line in order to enforce further divide of Pashtunia instead of reunite it on negotiation tables of the UN.
The British colonial Durand border treaty run out of validity years ago. Hongkong and Macao were given back to the people. Why not Pashtunia with their Taliban nationalist fighters? Pakistan could become the next scrumbling state, but this time with 80 nuclear missiles! (Iran has still none, but all caution and defence is for that one non existing nuclear missile from Iran 8O8O8O) One lie hunts the other and Obama will play that game too in order to prove, he is as well made from presidential stuff.

 

[dancing-loon]

Hi, data,
nice to meet you here;-)

So, you think...

The international forces should help the Pakistan army, if it fails longer to solve that problem...

Pakistan just got a new President. Is he inclined to fight the Taliban? Why didn't Musharraf invite the allied forces to come across the border? After all, he was Washington's most reliable ally in the area.

 

[data]

Why didn't Musharraf invite the allied forces to come across the border? After all, he was Washington's most reliable ally in the area.

Can of worms, what Obame is possibly not yet full aware of, but cautious as he is, he delegates that job to EU and Canada soldiers of the willing.

 

[talloola]

Hi, data,
nice to meet you here;-)

So, you think...Pakistan just got a new President. Is he inclined to fight the Taliban? Why didn't Musharraf invite the allied forces to come across the border? After all, he was Washington's most reliable ally in the area.

Mushariff played both sides of the table, trying to please the u.s. and trying to please
the extremist types within his borders, and on the border, as most of them hate the
u.s. I don't think any leader of that country will succeed for long, they will take payoffs, as he did from the u.s. for military assistance, and he will take payoffs from the extremists to do as they wish as well, it's a lose lose
situation in the country, and iraq as well, then they will take what they want for themselves before they are kicked out, at least that's how I see it.
There has been so much corruption with those countries for years and years, and the u.s. government has been a
complete failure, and is bankrupting their own people, and yet, to my amazement, some people actually want to
look at Obama and mistrust him, aren't they overlooking the obvious and manufacturing the future, in their
own eyes, the u.s. must give him a chance, he is begging for that chance, and what I see is many of the u.s.
people trying turn him into another of what they have had for the past 8 years, when he could be what they
desperately need.

 

[dancing-loon]

Can of worms, what Obama is possibly not yet full aware of, but cautious as he is, he delegates that job to EU and Canada soldiers of the willing.

Smart answer and so very true.... he even said it himself in his speech.

 

[givpeaceachance]

I'm not trying to make Obama look bad. I wanted some feed back about the speech because I honestly can see some double meaning and some hypocrisy in what he is saying and the whole Have To Get The Terrorists theme, as I have learned, is not a good sign.
Nor am I saying that McCain is a better option.

What I'm seeing is that there really is no choice? Yes, Obama said that he would remove the troops from Iraq, but not from Afghanistan. Why not? Iraq and Afghanistan are both products of the same thing! What is it about Afghanistan that makes it different. The Taliban? There are 'Talibans' all over the world. This whole war on terror has always sounded like a load of BS to me. And you don't need to watch youtube conspiracy theorist videos to know that the U.S. government lied to everybody about it.

I'm just feeling deflated because I guess now I don't see Obama as the hopeful I thought he was.

 

[dancing-loon]

I'm not trying to make Obama look bad. I wanted some feed back about the speech because I honestly can see some double meaning and some hypocrisy in what he is saying and the whole Have To Get The Terrorists theme, as I have learned, is not a good sign.
Nor am I saying that McCain is a better option.

What I'm seeing is that there really is no choice? Yes, Obama said that he would remove the troops from Iraq, but not from Afghanistan. Why not? Iraq and Afghanistan are both products of the same thing! What is it about Afghanistan that makes it different. The Taliban? There are 'Talibans' all over the world. This whole war on terror has always sounded like a load of BS to me. And you don't need to watch youtube conspiracy theorist videos to know that the U.S. government lied to everybody about it.

I'm just feeling deflated because I guess now I don't see Obama as the hopeful I thought he was.

Please, take all with a grain of salt! Besides, he is US,,, not Canada. We have our own lot to deal with, and right now the outlook is not rosy at all. Adolf Harper is determined to get his majority government.... he already had his doves poop on poor Dion!:roll:

 

[eh1eh]

RE: The OP

HOWEVER he also says some very powerful things that have major One World Order undertones. It shocked me to hear those undertones coming from his - Barack Obama's - mouth.

Did you think the aliens left out the Democrats. :-|

 

[givpeaceachance]

Please, take all with a grain of salt! Besides, he is US,,, not Canada. We have our own lot to deal with, and right now the outlook is not rosy at all.

I know! I just don't like how this is all coincides with the U.S. Presidential elections. Isn't it obvious that Harper is politically involved with the U.S/Bush?

I don't like that. I see it as Harper not looking after Canadians best interests.

 

[givpeaceachance]

RE: The OP



Did you think the aliens left out the Democrats. :-|

What are you talking about aliens? Come on now!

 

[Colpy]

I know! I just don't like how this is all coincides with the U.S. Presidential elections. Isn't it obvious that Harper is politically involved with the U.S/Bush?

I don't like that. I see it as Harper not looking after Canadians best interests.

How can any Canadian PM not be involved with the USA and their President?

They are the most powerful nation on earth, they are our closest ally by far, they are our biggest trading partner by far, we share a border, a people, a language, a history, a culture.............

 

[givpeaceachance]

Colpy : I know but THAT much??? I don't know but I think that their political relationship is bordering on inappropriate. It's like Batman and Robin, Hitler and Mussolini. No 2 country leaders should ever be that close. And with the later duo, we can begin to see why?

Harper seems almost dependent on Bush for some reason and I don't like that. It's just the impression I get.

Do you know what Canada/U.S. agreement I was talking about? You'd have to be partners in crime to make an agreement like that. It's like the deal Mulroney made. Clearly nothing in it that benefited Canada. It was just the first kiss. We're not completely in bed with them yet. We still have somewhat of a chance to leave . . . as awkward as that would be. I mean, it's not like we couldn't still be friends.

 

[Risus]

I don't trust obama and don't believe a word he says.