Nuked In Your Kitchen

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Haggis McBagpipe

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Dexter Sinister said:
Learn some real science folks, and learn to think critically, instead of all this crackpot conspiracy stuff. It's mostly inflammatory nonsense. One instance of a cat refusing to touch microwaved milk, for instance, is completely insignificant by itself. You need to demonstrate in a long series of trials that the cat deals with microwaved milk and milk heated on the stove significantly differently, and you've got to control for things like temperature. Maybe the microwaved stuff was just too hot; anyone who's used a microwave knows it's easy to overheat stuff, or heat it unevenly, or burn yourself because the inside of the food can be much hotter than the outside. One event means nothing, it's not enough information to justify a conclusion.

So sorry, I assumed that you would realize that of course all such steps were taken. I really should have

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1. She experimented many times, out of curiosity.

2. The cat would consistently refuse the micro'd milk while happily partaking in the stove-warmed milk.

3. The milk was always tested for temperature before being given to the cat.

As for learning 'real science', I've worked on too many medical research trials to feel bothered by your attempts to insult me in this matter. I'm sure you've been involved in some as well, but perhaps as the patient?[/i]
 

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In case anyone is interested, or has nephews that like to try stuff.

WHAT TO DO WITH OUTDATED CD's
or
MORE ILLICIT FUN WITH MICROWAVES
I Haven't had so much fun since the flaming pop-tarts and the electric pickle. You have (of course?) micro-waved CD's before?
Peter Jaspers-Fayer

You may have a old (free) demo CD laying around. Some musical group that never did catch on, or the second-latest version of some software that deserves to go out in STYLE. Although the show is SHORT, it is truly spectacular.
Introduction:
A circular film of aluminum sandwiched between 2 layers of plastic (also known as a "CD") reacts to being micro-waved in a spectacular manner.
When a CD is micro-waved, it looks like the "Disk" of the "Starship Enterprise" just got hit with a new Romulan energy beam. The Post- experimental CD is imprinted with an excitingly Fractal pattern, rendering the aforementioned useless CD... well, uhhh... useless -- Ahh yes, but "Is it ART?"

Materials Required
The following materials were needed for this study:
Microwave Oven (Brand and power rating unverifiable due to age of device)
Useless, unwanted CD (data or music)
250ml Water (in suitable microwave-safe container).
Procedure:
A window was opened. If you live in proximity to either the North or south poles during the months of December or July respectively, it is expected the experimenter will work quickly. Exhaust fans could also help. The author is unsure what gasses are evolved, but they are unlikely to be salubrious. Spousal units are unlikely to be impressed by (and I quote) "that stink".
The CD and the cup of water were placed in the microwave. It was found that leaning the CD against the back of the microwave at approx. 10 degrees off the vertical provides the optimum viewing angle. The cup of water was placed off to one side where it will not obstruct the view. The water will (hopefully) buffer the microwaves somewhat, and help prevent damage to the device.
The Microwave was set on "High", and then started.
The microwave was stopped immediately after the denouement of the observed effects (approx. 5 sec).
Observed Results:
After about 2 seconds delay, very intense "sparks" were observed to traverse the surface of the CD. After-images on the observer's retinas may render these effects as "tiny lightning bolts". Intensity and complexity of the pattern peaked in about 5 seconds, and rapidly declines thereafter. The microwave device was turned off immediately at this point, as over-cooking the CD results in unsightly blotches, threatens to melt the plastic coating, and maximizes the risk to the microwave and experimenter.
The CD, when removed was not too hot to touch if removed just after the peak of activity. Close examination of the surface yields a fairly evenly-spaced dentritic pattern that appears to be fractal in nature. The pattern also resembles a complex drainage or "tributary" pattern, with the exception that the "rivers" never get any larger as they flow together, and they sometimes anastomose.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Haggis McBagpipe said:
As for learning 'real science', I've worked on too many medical research trials to feel bothered by your attempts to insult me in this matter. I'm sure you've been involved in some as well, but perhaps as the patient?[/i]

I wasn't trying to insult you, I was merely responding to precisely what you said: "one day, she heated it in the microwave, and the cat would not touch it." One day, you said, one day it happened. There's no hint in your post that it happened more than once, so why would I assume anything else? But without double blinding and a control group, that experiment still demonstrates nothing anyway. Besides, working on medical research trials is pretty vague, and doesn't by itself mean you know anything about proper experimental protocols.

As for your cheap shot at the end: don't try to swap insults with me. I won't play that game, not here and not in real life. Grow up some.
 

Haggis McBagpipe

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Dexter Sinister said:
As for your cheap shot at the end: don't try to swap insults with me. I won't play that game, not here and not in real life. Grow up some.

Saying, "And if you don't know what that sentence means, you don't know enough about real science to form a legitimate opinion of that article." is a cheap shot and an insult. Saying, "Learn some real science folks, and learn to think critically" is a cheap shot and an insult, and finally, above, saying "grow up some" is a cheap shot and an insult. For someone who doesn't 'play that game' you sure are good at it. Ahhh, wait, I get it now... you don't mind GIVING insults, you just don't like GETTING them.
 
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