No need to worry about freedom of religion.....

[Jay]

Re: RE: No need to worry abou

You see many Canadians have serious contempt for free enterprise. Lefty types in this country at least, aren’t content with allowing you to run your own life; they have to run it for you.

As opposed to "righty types" who want to tell you which God to worship and who to go to bed with?

Righty types believe in freedom of religion, they invented such idea's, the atheist left sure isn't to be thanked for it.

Righty types aren’t going to tell you who can sleep with, but the may try to dictate what constitutes a marriage. I'll agree to that.

But lefty types are thieves.....always gathering around my wallet, slobbering over it, and swiping money out of it. Then they have the audacity to call hard working ppl, who want to keep their money (and rights) greedy.

 

[NSA]

RE: No need to worry abou

Sorry Jay, but most of what you call "stealing from your wallet", the rest of us call "taxation for the common good". Wanting to keep your money is fine, as long as you recognize that nothing is free, and taxes are the price you pay to live in a civilized country. Don't want to pay taxes? Fine, but you'll have to live in a cabin in the woods in some third-world country. I don't find my tax burden to be onerous at all, and I greatly enjoy the benefits of the society it pays for, wasteful sponsorship scandals etc. notwithstanding. For what I get, it's a freaking good bargain.

I recognize that the modern "neo-conservative" right wing are not very conservative in many ways: they do have a serious penchant for mixing church and state, and imposing on individual freedoms. In the case of gay marriage they basically want to curtail the rights of a specific group based on THE BIBLE. That's what that all boils down to, in the end. They want to prevent societal sanction of gay marriage for the same reason they wanted to prevent acceptance of gay sex and love - one religion's scripture forbids it. I recognize that not all conservatives are oppposed to gay marriage, and not all "leftists" support it, but mainstream right-wing politics certainly seems reactionary rather than conservative, lately.

And for the record, most "atheist left" people I know, including myself, don't care what religion other people practise, as long as they don't try to impose it on everyone else. Your right to swing your God ends where my church, temple, synagogue or lack thereof begins, so to speak. 14-year-olds saying "Xtians R 5toopid" on the Internet do not represent the typical atheist or leftist.

 

[NSA]

RE: No need to worry abou

Sorry Jay, but most of what you call "stealing from your wallet", the rest of us call "taxation for the common good". Wanting to keep your money is fine, as long as you recognize that nothing is free, and taxes are the price you pay to live in a civilized country. Don't want to pay taxes? Fine, but you'll have to live in a cabin in the woods in some third-world country. I don't find my tax burden to be onerous at all, and I greatly enjoy the benefits of the society it pays for, wasteful sponsorship scandals etc. notwithstanding. For what I get, it's a freaking good bargain.

I recognize that the modern "neo-conservative" right wing are not very conservative in many ways: they do have a serious penchant for mixing church and state, and imposing on individual freedoms. In the case of gay marriage they basically want to curtail the rights of a specific group based on THE BIBLE. That's what that all boils down to, in the end. They want to prevent societal sanction of gay marriage for the same reason they wanted to prevent acceptance of gay sex and love - one religion's scripture forbids it. I recognize that not all conservatives are oppposed to gay marriage, and not all "leftists" support it, but mainstream right-wing politics certainly seems reactionary rather than conservative, lately.

And for the record, most "atheist left" people I know, including myself, don't care what religion other people practise, as long as they don't try to impose it on everyone else. Your right to swing your God ends where my church, temple, synagogue or lack thereof begins, so to speak. 14-year-olds saying "Xtians R 5toopid" on the Internet do not represent the typical atheist or leftist.

 

[NSA]

RE: No need to worry abou

Sorry Jay, but most of what you call "stealing from your wallet", the rest of us call "taxation for the common good". Wanting to keep your money is fine, as long as you recognize that nothing is free, and taxes are the price you pay to live in a civilized country. Don't want to pay taxes? Fine, but you'll have to live in a cabin in the woods in some third-world country. I don't find my tax burden to be onerous at all, and I greatly enjoy the benefits of the society it pays for, wasteful sponsorship scandals etc. notwithstanding. For what I get, it's a freaking good bargain.

I recognize that the modern "neo-conservative" right wing are not very conservative in many ways: they do have a serious penchant for mixing church and state, and imposing on individual freedoms. In the case of gay marriage they basically want to curtail the rights of a specific group based on THE BIBLE. That's what that all boils down to, in the end. They want to prevent societal sanction of gay marriage for the same reason they wanted to prevent acceptance of gay sex and love - one religion's scripture forbids it. I recognize that not all conservatives are oppposed to gay marriage, and not all "leftists" support it, but mainstream right-wing politics certainly seems reactionary rather than conservative, lately.

And for the record, most "atheist left" people I know, including myself, don't care what religion other people practise, as long as they don't try to impose it on everyone else. Your right to swing your God ends where my church, temple, synagogue or lack thereof begins, so to speak. 14-year-olds saying "Xtians R 5toopid" on the Internet do not represent the typical atheist or leftist.

 

[peapod]

I actually read that twice, very nicely said NSA.

 

[peapod]

I actually read that twice, very nicely said NSA.

 

[peapod]

I actually read that twice, very nicely said NSA.

 

[Cosmo]

Well, as an unapologetic dyke, I am first in line when it comes to gay rights. But as a rational human being and former business owner, I think the business owner was fully within his rights not to print anything he didn't want to. It's his company. And it's not as if the client had nowhere else to go. There are a zillion printing companies.

When I ran my own business, it was agreed up front with my business partners that there were certain clients I would not serve. Coincidentally, I owned a printing company. If someone wanted me to print anything I personally found morally objectionable, I would have refused. I did, in fact, do so on occasion. It was my prerogative since I paid the bills. As is it the prerogative of that particular business owner to do the same.

I think that gay rights is a serious issue but, as a lesbian, I have learned to choose my battles with care. Some things are certainly worth fighting for but there is just no percentage in fighting over inconsequential issues. If there were no facilities available to have gay printing done, it would be different. I think time would be better spent worrying about the bigger issues we face.

 

[Cosmo]

Well, as an unapologetic dyke, I am first in line when it comes to gay rights. But as a rational human being and former business owner, I think the business owner was fully within his rights not to print anything he didn't want to. It's his company. And it's not as if the client had nowhere else to go. There are a zillion printing companies.

When I ran my own business, it was agreed up front with my business partners that there were certain clients I would not serve. Coincidentally, I owned a printing company. If someone wanted me to print anything I personally found morally objectionable, I would have refused. I did, in fact, do so on occasion. It was my prerogative since I paid the bills. As is it the prerogative of that particular business owner to do the same.

I think that gay rights is a serious issue but, as a lesbian, I have learned to choose my battles with care. Some things are certainly worth fighting for but there is just no percentage in fighting over inconsequential issues. If there were no facilities available to have gay printing done, it would be different. I think time would be better spent worrying about the bigger issues we face.

 

[Cosmo]

Well, as an unapologetic dyke, I am first in line when it comes to gay rights. But as a rational human being and former business owner, I think the business owner was fully within his rights not to print anything he didn't want to. It's his company. And it's not as if the client had nowhere else to go. There are a zillion printing companies.

When I ran my own business, it was agreed up front with my business partners that there were certain clients I would not serve. Coincidentally, I owned a printing company. If someone wanted me to print anything I personally found morally objectionable, I would have refused. I did, in fact, do so on occasion. It was my prerogative since I paid the bills. As is it the prerogative of that particular business owner to do the same.

I think that gay rights is a serious issue but, as a lesbian, I have learned to choose my battles with care. Some things are certainly worth fighting for but there is just no percentage in fighting over inconsequential issues. If there were no facilities available to have gay printing done, it would be different. I think time would be better spent worrying about the bigger issues we face.

 

[NSA]

I actually read that twice, very nicely said NSA.

You read it twice because this:

Your right to swing your God ends where my church, temple, synagogue or lack thereof begins, so to speak.

is not the way to write a clear English sentence Alas, I am at work and thus my brain is running in power-saving mode until around 5:00.

 

[NSA]

I actually read that twice, very nicely said NSA.

You read it twice because this:

Your right to swing your God ends where my church, temple, synagogue or lack thereof begins, so to speak.

is not the way to write a clear English sentence Alas, I am at work and thus my brain is running in power-saving mode until around 5:00.

 

[NSA]

I actually read that twice, very nicely said NSA.

You read it twice because this:

Your right to swing your God ends where my church, temple, synagogue or lack thereof begins, so to speak.

is not the way to write a clear English sentence Alas, I am at work and thus my brain is running in power-saving mode until around 5:00.

 

[peapod]

Nasa,
Nope...I liked the whole post. It reminded me of how some of my "conservative" friends speak. (omg!omg! peapod has some conservative friends 8O) that is "conservative" not "neo-conservative" :wink: It was thoughtful and intelligent.

I live in a dream world where I think I actually think I can tell the difference between a intellectually snob who talks down to people, a well oil prevyer of blah de blah, and someone who tries to incite people. You don't fit in any of the above...but than whata I know...I am a liberal airhead

 

[peapod]

Nasa,
Nope...I liked the whole post. It reminded me of how some of my "conservative" friends speak. (omg!omg! peapod has some conservative friends 8O) that is "conservative" not "neo-conservative" :wink: It was thoughtful and intelligent.

I live in a dream world where I think I actually think I can tell the difference between a intellectually snob who talks down to people, a well oil prevyer of blah de blah, and someone who tries to incite people. You don't fit in any of the above...but than whata I know...I am a liberal airhead

 

[peapod]

Nasa,
Nope...I liked the whole post. It reminded me of how some of my "conservative" friends speak. (omg!omg! peapod has some conservative friends 8O) that is "conservative" not "neo-conservative" :wink: It was thoughtful and intelligent.

I live in a dream world where I think I actually think I can tell the difference between a intellectually snob who talks down to people, a well oil prevyer of blah de blah, and someone who tries to incite people. You don't fit in any of the above...but than whata I know...I am a liberal airhead

 

[Jay]

Well, as an unapologetic dyke, I am first in line when it comes to gay rights. But as a rational human being and former business owner, I think the business owner was fully within his rights not to print anything he didn't want to. It's his company. And it's not as if the client had nowhere else to go. There are a zillion printing companies.

When I ran my own business, it was agreed up front with my business partners that there were certain clients I would not serve. Coincidentally, I owned a printing company. If someone wanted me to print anything I personally found morally objectionable, I would have refused. I did, in fact, do so on occasion. It was my prerogative since I paid the bills. As is it the prerogative of that particular business owner to do the same.

I think that gay rights is a serious issue but, as a lesbian, I have learned to choose my battles with care. Some things are certainly worth fighting for but there is just no percentage in fighting over inconsequential issues. If there were no facilities available to have gay printing done, it would be different. I think time would be better spent worrying about the bigger issues we face.

Well I certainly wouldn't be apologetic about my orientation, and I commend you for being unapologetic about yours.

I find it a rather interesting reading your side of things on this topic. You seem to fit the shoes very well of the person who was charged with Human Rights violations in my above post. Thanks for your reply to this topic.

Can I ask you what sort of things you wouldn't publish when you owned the business? I understand of coarse that is a rather personal question, and I don't expect it to get an answer.


Thanks again for your post.

 

[Jay]

Well, as an unapologetic dyke, I am first in line when it comes to gay rights. But as a rational human being and former business owner, I think the business owner was fully within his rights not to print anything he didn't want to. It's his company. And it's not as if the client had nowhere else to go. There are a zillion printing companies.

When I ran my own business, it was agreed up front with my business partners that there were certain clients I would not serve. Coincidentally, I owned a printing company. If someone wanted me to print anything I personally found morally objectionable, I would have refused. I did, in fact, do so on occasion. It was my prerogative since I paid the bills. As is it the prerogative of that particular business owner to do the same.

I think that gay rights is a serious issue but, as a lesbian, I have learned to choose my battles with care. Some things are certainly worth fighting for but there is just no percentage in fighting over inconsequential issues. If there were no facilities available to have gay printing done, it would be different. I think time would be better spent worrying about the bigger issues we face.

Well I certainly wouldn't be apologetic about my orientation, and I commend you for being unapologetic about yours.

I find it a rather interesting reading your side of things on this topic. You seem to fit the shoes very well of the person who was charged with Human Rights violations in my above post. Thanks for your reply to this topic.

Can I ask you what sort of things you wouldn't publish when you owned the business? I understand of coarse that is a rather personal question, and I don't expect it to get an answer.


Thanks again for your post.

 

[Jay]

Well, as an unapologetic dyke, I am first in line when it comes to gay rights. But as a rational human being and former business owner, I think the business owner was fully within his rights not to print anything he didn't want to. It's his company. And it's not as if the client had nowhere else to go. There are a zillion printing companies.

When I ran my own business, it was agreed up front with my business partners that there were certain clients I would not serve. Coincidentally, I owned a printing company. If someone wanted me to print anything I personally found morally objectionable, I would have refused. I did, in fact, do so on occasion. It was my prerogative since I paid the bills. As is it the prerogative of that particular business owner to do the same.

I think that gay rights is a serious issue but, as a lesbian, I have learned to choose my battles with care. Some things are certainly worth fighting for but there is just no percentage in fighting over inconsequential issues. If there were no facilities available to have gay printing done, it would be different. I think time would be better spent worrying about the bigger issues we face.

Well I certainly wouldn't be apologetic about my orientation, and I commend you for being unapologetic about yours.

I find it a rather interesting reading your side of things on this topic. You seem to fit the shoes very well of the person who was charged with Human Rights violations in my above post. Thanks for your reply to this topic.

Can I ask you what sort of things you wouldn't publish when you owned the business? I understand of coarse that is a rather personal question, and I don't expect it to get an answer.


Thanks again for your post.

 

[Cosmo]

Jay, I will probably ruffle feathers with my answer, but I shall reply.

I refused to do some work for radical born-again type christians because their stance on homosexuality is offensive to me. I also would not do work for anti-abortionists, for white supremists, multi-level marketers or any other type of scheme that was designed to take advantage of people. Those were my guidelines when we started the business and my partners supported me on it. I also refused to do work for a business owned by a known pedophile. We simply referred him and the born-agains elsewhere without giving reason. I wasn't interested in fighting with them but neither was I going to put my creative abilities to work for them.

In my opinion, I find it desirable to take my business to like minded individuals. In my case, I support gay and lesbian as well as animal rescue conscious businesses whenever I have the opportunity.

I am a graphic designer and once, while working for a newspaper, was forced to create an anti-abortion ad. It was terribly offensive and I swore I would never again do anything that went against my own principles. So far, I have managed to stick to that.

Out of curiousity, why did you ask me this? Have you had an experience with someone refusing to do work for you? If so, why?