New Democrats Laugh at Grits' Record

FiveParadox

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The New Democratic Party of Canada today released a statement on their Web site blasting the record of the Liberal Party of Canada and its record, in the wake of the launch of their leadership convention campaign. Higher education, the environment, and reforms to the institutions of the Parliament of Canada were mentioned in prominence by the New Democrats as continued points of contention.

The Web site for the [color=orange said:
New Democratic Party of Canada[/color]]Participants in the Liberal Party's leadership panel in Edmonton today spoke passionately about the need to champion social justice, the environment, and other progressive values: precisely the values successive Liberal governments have ignored over their decade of drift.

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The contenders for the Liberal Party leadership appear to think Canadians were born yesterday and that the Liberal record doesn't count. Note to contenders: Where have you been for the last 13 years?

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:arrow: Higher Education

While the New Democrats would seem to put the entire blame for increase in tuition costs on the previous Government of Canada, I was under the impression that education was, for the most part, within the jurisdiction of the provinces — and even so, tuition prices are set by the institutions that offer such higher education.

:arrow: Reform to our Democratic Institutions

The New Democrats have pointed out that one hundred twenty-nine members of the Liberal caucus voted against some measure less than three years ago in relation to democratic reform; however, what they don't mention is that the motion that had been put forth, by their party, was one to replace the entire system for election in the House of Commons to one of pure proportional representation. I would have voted against that too — as had one hundred forty-four Members of Parliament at that time, enough to defeat the motion.

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1. Click here for the Web site of the New Democratic Party of Canada.
 

Finder

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The New Democrats have always taken a more centrial posistion to the roll of the federal government. They don't care if the federal government as determined int he past what they see as there priorities as they do not go along with those of the NDP. To the NDP it is the job of the federal government and any government under to look after all the people and not just shrug whenever something goes wrong and try to flip the blame on the provinces because it is there job to take care of this. Indeed it might be, but the NDP as the federal government would make it a priority to look after any Canadian for anything and to make sure all Canadian have the same and fair chance, be it with higher education or health care which are both provincial area's of interest.

I do not fault the NDP for taking these causes on but I can see why Liberals such as yourself may try to wash there hands of the issue and blame others. It's easy to blame others like the evil Klien and just shrug things off.

I think, I am ready to give the Conservatives a chance at this government because the Liberals are pretty much the same as the conservatives but at least you know what you get with the conservatives, with the liberals all you get are lies and broken promises.
 

Alberta'sfinest

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I laugh at all political parties as they all think their ideas best, but because of the ideological diversity across this country all of them won't work. It all depends on whether you believe we should live in a society of class structure divided by our abilities to compete in a free enterprise market, or whether we should all have a descent life, some living better, with less class diversity.

University tuition is pretty reasonable and most universities are pretty full for the most part. Here in Alberta there is a huge shortage of trades people, and cheaper higher education would only make this situation worse.

As for the election system, respresentative government would allow for better representation of Canada as a whole, but would get politicians into office that might not be the best candidate. I feel all democracy is a sham since the majority aren't educated enough to understand the issues the governments face, and don't have the credentials to elect a leader. Most voting is based off the opinions of their peers. I think the best system would be to simply scrap the party system and have only independent candidates run. This would force the community to go to debates and here the issues. Corruption would end too.

That's just me though, it's likely that nothing will happen, corruption will continue, and overall the average canadian will continue to get the shaft.
 

Finder

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"University tuition is pretty reasonable"

thats a joke, I don't know any student who can pay off there tuition unless they have welathy parents willing to flip the bill. It's an unfair system which leaves the student in heavy debt by the time he finishes his degree. Anywhere from $15,000 to over $50,000. For students from poorer backgrounds these prices are crushing.

I'm still going to university part time because I can not afford to go full time and I am about to transfer from UoT which is a big drain on my money to UManaitoba.
 

Colpy

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Finder said:
"University tuition is pretty reasonable"

thats a joke, I don't know any student who can pay off there tuition unless they have welathy parents willing to flip the bill. It's an unfair system which leaves the student in heavy debt by the time he finishes his degree. Anywhere from $15,000 to over $50,000. For students from poorer backgrounds these prices are crushing.

I'm still going to university part time because I can not afford to go full time and I am about to transfer from UoT which is a big drain on my money to UManaitoba.

Oddly enough, I agree with the NDP on this one.

If we wish to be a success in the modern world we need to get educated.

Personally, I think Canada as a nation should offer federal scholarships..............write federal pre-university exams, and the government fully subsidize the best students, with aid on a declining scale for other students, dependent totally on their academic prowess.
 

Finder

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Colpy said:
Finder said:
"University tuition is pretty reasonable"

thats a joke, I don't know any student who can pay off there tuition unless they have welathy parents willing to flip the bill. It's an unfair system which leaves the student in heavy debt by the time he finishes his degree. Anywhere from $15,000 to over $50,000. For students from poorer backgrounds these prices are crushing.

I'm still going to university part time because I can not afford to go full time and I am about to transfer from UoT which is a big drain on my money to UManaitoba.

Oddly enough, I agree with the NDP on this one.

If we wish to be a success in the modern world we need to get educated.

Personally, I think Canada as a nation should offer federal scholarships..............write federal pre-university exams, and the government fully subsidize the best students, with aid on a declining scale for other students, dependent totally on their academic prowess.

are you feeling alright Colpy, maybe you should go to the doctor, I'm kind of worried. This doesn't sound like you at all. lol.

Now don't get me mixed up with Pinko Colpy, I think students should pay less, but I don't think they should get a free ride either. I mean you still have to be able to weed out those who are just going to abuse the system or don't really actually have a interest in education. I mean if you make it too cheap then everyone will go and many will just slack off. I think cutting it in half is good enough, or changing how we pay it off, or at least completely remove all interest.