NDP will put Liberals into minority status
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What am I being called right wing now? Damnit. Just because I don't like Communism! *humph* Or is it because I like eatting hamburgers, talking about guns and wars, and generally don't always agree with you tree huggers.
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I disagree with you paradox, one thing you can never say in politics is "never" and you pretty much said that.
It is perhaps unlikely these days but the NDP/CCF have always been seen as the party which may just fade away for the past 90 years and it has not. In fact it has effected Canadian politics the most. With such values as equility, puplic education, health care and many more values which are purely social democratic values and not liberal values, these were adopted by the liberal party in many ways to keep the ndp's populerity in check. That along with FPTP has stunted the growth of the NDP. At the same time the Liberal party may wish to learn from FPTP and what happend to the all powerful liberal party in the UK. It was ultimately replaced by Labour (the UKs version of the NDP) and the Liberal party in the UK is now the one which is fading because of FPTP and policital theft of policy and fear.
*folds arms.*
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I disagree with you paradox, one thing you can never say in politics is "never" and you pretty much said that.
It is perhaps unlikely these days but the NDP/CCF have always been seen as the party which may just fade away for the past 90 years and it has not. In fact it has effected Canadian politics the most. With such values as equility, puplic education, health care and many more values which are purely social democratic values and not liberal values, these were adopted by the liberal party in many ways to keep the ndp's populerity in check. That along with FPTP has stunted the growth of the NDP. At the same time the Liberal party may wish to learn from FPTP and what happend to the all powerful liberal party in the UK. It was ultimately replaced by Labour (the UKs version of the NDP) and the Liberal party in the UK is now the one which is fading because of FPTP and policital theft of policy and fear.
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I understand your point of view FP. But the idea is not to deliver an ultimatum but to just express how I feel... I am fairly young (24)and quite interested in the development of both Quebec and Canada. I keep weighing all arguments for or against sovereignty and it's tough. Both sides of the fence are beautiful and ugly... I'm idealistic and I can project my idealism on both a country of Canada or a country of Quebec. This doesn't mean I can't be realistic. I just don't buy the argument that all NDP supporters are'nt down to earth. That's BS is you ask me. As a Canadian, the NDP represents best what I stand for and all I'm saying is that if I hear from the ROC that I can only dream of an NDP government than my natural reaction is to withdraw and to be idealistic as a Quebecer. If I can't have the Canada I want, maybe I can have the Quebec I want... But hey, if I can have both, I'm in paradise! If Canada can work this is the direction I'll take.
FiveParadox said:
I understand your point of view FP. But the idea is not to deliver an ultimatum but to just express how I feel... I am fairly young (24)and quite interested in the development of both Quebec and Canada. I keep weighing all arguments for or against sovereignty and it's tough. Both sides of the fence are beautiful and ugly... I'm idealistic and I can project my idealism on both a country of Canada or a country of Quebec. This doesn't mean I can't be realistic. I just don't buy the argument that all NDP supporters are'nt down to earth. That's BS is you ask me. As a Canadian, the NDP represents best what I stand for and all I'm saying is that if I hear from the ROC that I can only dream of an NDP government than my natural reaction is to withdraw and to be idealistic as a Quebecer. If I can't have the Canada I want, maybe I can have the Quebec I want... But hey, if I can have both, I'm in paradise! If Canada can work this is the direction I'll take.
The NDP is typically the party where the left goes to "park" their votes when they don't want to vote Liberal. As liberal fortunes increase, so do NDP fortunes decrease (see last election). Very few, if any, right wingers end up voting for the NDP, rather, they simply don't vote if they are unhappy with the right wing. Of course, this was not the case when we had Reform and Tory, both right wing, supposedly, and now we are finding that the Liberals and NDP are splitting the left wing vote, very much like the Reformers and Tories split the right wing vote. It is no coincidence that the CPC won the election once the right was "united", and as long as there is only one right wing party, and two left wing parties, and if the CPC appeals to Quebec as they seem to be doing so far, then the CPC will form the next government, this time with a majority. The only way the NDP will ever become the government is when all logical people leave Canada! 
Keep splitting the left vote, folks, keeps our CPC government in power. 8)
Keep splitting the left vote, folks, keeps our CPC government in power. 8)
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I wouldn't consider three or four Parliaments "never", Jersay.FiveParadox said:
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IMO, I think it is safe to say that we will never see an NDP government in Ottawa. The tax and spend mentality does not resonate well with most of Canada.
FiveParadox said:
IMO, I think it is safe to say that we will never see an NDP government in Ottawa. The tax and spend mentality does not resonate well with most of Canada.
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I have to ask......exactly WHERE are you posting from?
fuzzylogix said:
I have to ask......exactly WHERE are you posting from?
The NDP party have today changed their emblem from a rose to a condom as it more accurately reflects the labour governments stance. A condom allows for inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation protects a bunch of pricks and gives you a sense of security while you're being screwed. :lol:
bluealberta, depending on the "disappointed" left wing of the Liberal party reacts, my friend, it could go both ways. The UK and indeed many Liberal parties around the world have pretty much faded away. I'd say it's because of social democratic and conservatyive parties which stand up for something all the time instead of wavwering back and forther to please certain people. Many progressive minded people see the Liberals and the Conservatives as the same party, the only thing keeping them from voting NDP is that they feel that the NDP can not win and the Liberals have more support and the Liberals are slightly better then the Conservatives.
Another thing which has saved the Liberal party in Canada is it's move to the centre left on policy even though most of it's leaders have really been centre right.
No matter what in Canada it appears as if the NDP in one way or another wins. Either seats or having many of their policies adopted by the Liberals to garner the progressive, centre left and left votes.
Another thing which has saved the Liberal party in Canada is it's move to the centre left on policy even though most of it's leaders have really been centre right.
No matter what in Canada it appears as if the NDP in one way or another wins. Either seats or having many of their policies adopted by the Liberals to garner the progressive, centre left and left votes.
Which is all the more reason we need to ensure a CPC majority at the next election. We simply cannot afford the NDP or the Liberal policies, no matter where they come from. We need to make sure our dollars are spent wisely with full accountability, and not spent on every social agenda that comes along. Spend were necessary, but don't necessarily spend.
Blue Alberta, the Liberals also split the right wing and centre right vote with the conservatives. Also there are a lot of voters out there who just don't care. They have there two kids and suv and whatever else the middle class just needs to have these days. They see politics as dirty are in themselves just too lazy to educate themselves in our democracy and have such a low opinion they believe all they are doing election day is voting for the lesser evil. The middle class by in large is not well educated on politics and the political parties and if they feel as if the current party in power hasn't f*cked up more then the last they will just vote for either NDP/Liberal or Conservative without really knowing the issues of those parties. Those of us in the know think one party is on the down and out but the middle class of Canada appears to like to keep the third opition open. Hell they even allowed the PC party to come back from the dead.
I highly doubt the Democrats will go anywhere unless they decide to merge with another party or change their name.
Also I could see the Democrats taking power in Canada one day as the puplic gets used to the conservative government and has a Liberal one perhaps they will just get mad enough at both the liberals and conservatives at the same time to totally bring in the NDP. Happend in Ontario once.
I highly doubt the Democrats will go anywhere unless they decide to merge with another party or change their name.
Also I could see the Democrats taking power in Canada one day as the puplic gets used to the conservative government and has a Liberal one perhaps they will just get mad enough at both the liberals and conservatives at the same time to totally bring in the NDP. Happend in Ontario once.
Myabe, Finder, but I highly doubt it. Too many capitalistic people in Canada to want a truly socialist left wing government. Thing is, if the ND's ever got elected, money would leave this country so fast we would be in a recession overnight. The ND's may not like low corporate tax rates, but it keeps those corporations in Canada, hiring people, developing new industries, funding R&D, etc. Hike the corp tax rates like the ND's want, and they will be outta Canada so fast it will make your head swim, people will be out of work, and then to pay for all the out of work people, anyone left with a job will have to pay more taxes to pay for the EI the out of work folks will need. It would simply be a recipe for disaster. Capitalism over socialism any and every day.
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Your vision is a scary prospect Five. I can hear the drill commands on the Parade square. Left! Left! Left!
Good golly Miss Molly!
FiveParadox said:
Your vision is a scary prospect Five. I can hear the drill commands on the Parade square. Left! Left! Left!
Good golly Miss Molly!