Call it what you like: spin, business propoganda, garbage, whatever, but what it means to people with a brain is good economic news for BC
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NDP Have BIG plans in BC again!!!
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Call it what you like: spin, business propoganda, garbage, whatever, but what it means to people with a brain is good economic news for BC
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RE: NDP Have BIG plans in
It was on Canada now last night on CBC Vancouver. But since you are a right winger I guess you do not watch CBC.
Thanks to my union job I make with overtime $70,000 a year by only working 8- 8.5 months a year. I can take summer's off to spend with my family and no I do not collect EI during my summer hiatus. I have an "A" welding ticket and I make a liveable $35.63 an hour (plus benefits) when I work and its mostly with the building trades.
I would say no. Rents are very high. Even a cheap crap house in the burbs will be about $200,000 so you figure with a mortgage, there aint much left. Car insurance is very high as is booze(which is the highest priced in all of North America), but marijuana is cheap. ha
Back in 1988-1989 when I lived in Winnipeg and worked at "Trans Canada Machinery" (I believe thats the name,its been a while, they sold and repaired farm equiptment) It was in Elie Manitoba I was being paid $14 an hour as first year apprentice.
You ever notice how right wingers get so upset and hostile when they see facts they do not like or believe?:roll:
It was on Canada now last night on CBC Vancouver. But since you are a right winger I guess you do not watch CBC.
Thanks to my union job I make with overtime $70,000 a year by only working 8- 8.5 months a year. I can take summer's off to spend with my family and no I do not collect EI during my summer hiatus. I have an "A" welding ticket and I make a liveable $35.63 an hour (plus benefits) when I work and its mostly with the building trades.
I would say no. Rents are very high. Even a cheap crap house in the burbs will be about $200,000 so you figure with a mortgage, there aint much left. Car insurance is very high as is booze(which is the highest priced in all of North America), but marijuana is cheap. ha
Back in 1988-1989 when I lived in Winnipeg and worked at "Trans Canada Machinery" (I believe thats the name,its been a while, they sold and repaired farm equiptment) It was in Elie Manitoba I was being paid $14 an hour as first year apprentice.
You ever notice how right wingers get so upset and hostile when they see facts they do not like or believe?:roll:
The liberal government has choosen to ignore the voices of thousands of british columbians environmental concerns and issues in this province. This is why a huge coliation is being formed to bring the facts and awareness of what gordon campbell has done and is doing. Check out their environmental record for yourself at bcfacts.org. During the day I will post items concerning different enviornmental issues that concerns thousands of british columbians that know without protecting our environment in british columbia, we have nothing.
From BC Facts. org
The government ignored the public input of thousands of people in awarding an environmental permit to a massive ski resort in sensitive grizzly bear habitat near Invermere. The resort with over 6,000 beds would double the local population and stress local infrastructure. The BC government has weakened the environmental assessment process in BC and has attempted to portray its approval of the resort as giving local governments the decision.
For more informationVisit: Jumbo Creek Conservation Society
Visit: East Kootenay Environmental Society
Visit: Western Canada Wilderness Committee
Visit: Government release
From BC Facts. org
The government ignored the public input of thousands of people in awarding an environmental permit to a massive ski resort in sensitive grizzly bear habitat near Invermere. The resort with over 6,000 beds would double the local population and stress local infrastructure. The BC government has weakened the environmental assessment process in BC and has attempted to portray its approval of the resort as giving local governments the decision.
For more informationVisit: Jumbo Creek Conservation Society
Visit: East Kootenay Environmental Society
Visit: Western Canada Wilderness Committee
Visit: Government release
What are you whining about then - you now that you could make more money if you wanted - Id say you are doing good at 75K - I didnt see the CBC - and you are right - I do not watch it. As for CIGS (thats called a sin tax - smoking is stupid, and you are going to get cancer).
FYI - if you worked 12 months you would get a little over 100K/year - I only get 2 weeks/year (if that)
FYI - if you worked 12 months you would get a little over 100K/year - I only get 2 weeks/year (if that)
16$ an hour I could easily live on...If I were single...and had no kids. It depends where you are in the end though. It can be done even with a family but it's bloody hard and doesn't get you anywhere in the end, a constant struggle. Most of the time we both had to work just to make close to that amount.
RE: NDP Have BIG plans in
Here is your link. When you get to the page select what province you want then compare, as only one province at a time comes up.
Click Here
Alberta-$19.40 an hour
Ontario- $19.98
BC-$19.23
Sure it is 17 cents and 75 cents diference. But the point is BC is not number 1 we are number 3. Yet another lie from Campbell. If he can't be truthful about this small issue, what makes you think he can be trusted on important issues?
Here is your link. When you get to the page select what province you want then compare, as only one province at a time comes up.
Click Here
Alberta-$19.40 an hour
Ontario- $19.98
BC-$19.23
Sure it is 17 cents and 75 cents diference. But the point is BC is not number 1 we are number 3. Yet another lie from Campbell. If he can't be truthful about this small issue, what makes you think he can be trusted on important issues?
16 bucks an hour would pay my mortgage and thats about it ,It wouldn't feed my family or make my car payment though I guess i'd have to grow dope to do that :lol:
Your a liberal spinner, the rest of us actually live and work in this province, we know what you have done, we work in it, we see it. You can no longer hide and spin what you have done.
VANCOUVER -- Leading conservation groups have issued a scathing
indictment of the provincial Liberal government's environmental
stewardship during its first two years in office.
"I have been involved in these issues for over 20 years and I have
never seen such an assault on the environment as we've seen by the
Liberals in the past two years," said Vicky Husband, chairwoman of the
B.C. chapter of the Sierra Club.
"What they are doing is a massive betrayal of the public trust," said
Ms. Husband, who was appointed to the Order of Canada last year. Ms.
Husband's remarks were made in conjunction with the release of a
report card on the provincial government's environmental record, which
gave out a failing grade in all five categories assessed.
The report card, which listed 54 examples of government decisions
allegedly harmful to the environment and just nine positive moves
under the Liberals, was issued by a broad-based coalition including
the David Suzuki Foundation, Greenpeace, West Coast Environmental Law
and the Sierra Club.
The organizations focused on proposed huge changes to the provinces'
Forest Practices Code, new drinking-water standards and drastic cuts
to parks and conservation enforcement staff.
They said the provincial government is rolling back regulations and
legislation that took years to put in place.
"The pace of change and the scope of change by this government has
been dramatic," said Karen Campbell of West Coast Environmental Law.
"We are seeing the complete rewriting of laws without any public
hearings or consultation."
The groups charged that the B.C. government is the only one in Canada
to weaken its drinking-water regulations since the Walkerton, Ont.,
tainted-water tragedy.
"There are no standards for arsenic, industrial solvents and giardia
[a microbe that can cause illness] in our water," Ms. Campbell said.
"And drinking-water protection will be subordinate to logging and
mining interests.
"In Walkerton, seven people had to die before people in Ontario
realized something was wrong."
Jim Fulton, head of the David Suzuki Foundation, said the old
right-wing Social Credit government that presided over the province
for nearly 40 years had a better environmental record than the current
government.
"[Former Socred] Premier Bill Vander Zalm actually did some good
things. They actually had a transparent process on many issues," Mr.
Fulton said. "But [Liberal Premier] Gordon Campbell is dropping the
B.C. public interest down an elevator shaft. I know of no jurisdiction
in Canada that has tossed so much good into a bonfire."
Water, Land and Air Protection Minister Joyce Murray strongly rejected
the allegations.
"It seems the environmentalists have a job to do and feel they can
only do it by bashing the government. I am very proud of our record,"
Ms. Murray declared.
She called the damning report card "a very, very biased accounting of
what's going on. It reads like a political agenda."
Ms. Murray said the charge that B.C. has weakened its drinking water
regulations was nonsense, noting that the province was previously
known as the "wild west" for ground water.
"Now we are developing ground water regulations for the first time. .
. . [and we have] source-to-tap assessment of every drinking water
system in the province.
"Their report is very selective, very unbalanced. They pull one piece
out of legislation they don't like, and use that one piece to bash the
government. "There are over 400 environmental groups in the province
and it's not possible to satisfy everyone," the minister said.
She acknowledged reductions in staffing levels but said conservation
officers are now being used more efficiently, rather than sitting
around in offices answering the phone on minor matters.
However, Ms. Husband of the Sierra Club said B.C. will now have only
one staff member for every seven parks, and parks will be be open to
commercial development.
Bill Tieleman's Political Connections column in the Georgia Straight for Dec. 26, 2002-Jan 2, 2003
CHOKED names B.C. Premier Gordon Campbell "Clean Air Villain of the Year."
CHOKED, a clean air advocacy group in Smithers, B.C., has awarded B.C. Premier Gordon Campbell its inaugural "Clean Air Villain of the Year" award for 2002.
Mr. Campbell has rolled back environmental protection for the polluters of B.C. by numerous amendments to Orders in Council, by responding favourably to the B.C. Business Council's call for a rewrite to weaken the province's Waste Management Act, and has waited until the traditional slow news period at the very end of the year to renew the operating permits for 14 antique pollution engines called "beehive burners."
"The burner permit extension was the deciding factor," said CHOKED President Dave Stevens. "Lots of B.C. polluters were in contention, but really, the nerve of the man sneaking this amendment furtively out as a Christmas present to his backers in the forest industry is just too much. No way can anyone else be credited with doing as much damage to the respiratory health of British Columbians as its Premier."
Other considerations were Mr. Campbell's commitment to coal as a fuel source, his government's addiction to greenhouse gas emissions, and encouragement of offshore oil exploration with its attendant ghastly emissions dangers, at the wrong time in history.
Beehive burners are crude incineration devices that burn sawmill waste at low temperatures resulting in poor combustion. Joyce Murray, Minister responsible for B.C.'s Water, Land and Air Protection programs, has simultaneously stated her support for clean air initiatives and saluted and obeyed when told to extend pollution permits. All the Christmas Pollution Permits are for burners fouling the air near population centres. Many more remote burners are subject to little or no regulation. They represent a fire hazard and a hazard to the respiratory health of the population at large. Children, the elderly and those with pre-existing respiratory problems are known to be especially at risk.
David Anderson, federal Minister of Environment, states that upwards of four thousand people in Canada die each year from breathing the kind of air contaminants produced by these burners.
It is especially noteworthy that Mr. Campbell is trying to salvage much-needed brownie points in the polls by vigorously opposing the permits of the controversial SE2 power plant proposed just across the U.S. border from Abbotsford, B.C. It will produce particulate pollution from gas fired generators. He is simultaneously trying to impose gas fired turbine power generation in Vancouver Island, also a part of the Georgia Basin airshed.
"Try a little of that Bush-style sabre-rattling at domestic polluters, why don't you," said Stevens. "It's enough to make you wonder what Mr. Campbell tells his kids he does for a living."
http://cleanairbc.tc.ca
VANCOUVER -- Leading conservation groups have issued a scathing
indictment of the provincial Liberal government's environmental
stewardship during its first two years in office.
"I have been involved in these issues for over 20 years and I have
never seen such an assault on the environment as we've seen by the
Liberals in the past two years," said Vicky Husband, chairwoman of the
B.C. chapter of the Sierra Club.
"What they are doing is a massive betrayal of the public trust," said
Ms. Husband, who was appointed to the Order of Canada last year. Ms.
Husband's remarks were made in conjunction with the release of a
report card on the provincial government's environmental record, which
gave out a failing grade in all five categories assessed.
The report card, which listed 54 examples of government decisions
allegedly harmful to the environment and just nine positive moves
under the Liberals, was issued by a broad-based coalition including
the David Suzuki Foundation, Greenpeace, West Coast Environmental Law
and the Sierra Club.
The organizations focused on proposed huge changes to the provinces'
Forest Practices Code, new drinking-water standards and drastic cuts
to parks and conservation enforcement staff.
They said the provincial government is rolling back regulations and
legislation that took years to put in place.
"The pace of change and the scope of change by this government has
been dramatic," said Karen Campbell of West Coast Environmental Law.
"We are seeing the complete rewriting of laws without any public
hearings or consultation."
The groups charged that the B.C. government is the only one in Canada
to weaken its drinking-water regulations since the Walkerton, Ont.,
tainted-water tragedy.
"There are no standards for arsenic, industrial solvents and giardia
[a microbe that can cause illness] in our water," Ms. Campbell said.
"And drinking-water protection will be subordinate to logging and
mining interests.
"In Walkerton, seven people had to die before people in Ontario
realized something was wrong."
Jim Fulton, head of the David Suzuki Foundation, said the old
right-wing Social Credit government that presided over the province
for nearly 40 years had a better environmental record than the current
government.
"[Former Socred] Premier Bill Vander Zalm actually did some good
things. They actually had a transparent process on many issues," Mr.
Fulton said. "But [Liberal Premier] Gordon Campbell is dropping the
B.C. public interest down an elevator shaft. I know of no jurisdiction
in Canada that has tossed so much good into a bonfire."
Water, Land and Air Protection Minister Joyce Murray strongly rejected
the allegations.
"It seems the environmentalists have a job to do and feel they can
only do it by bashing the government. I am very proud of our record,"
Ms. Murray declared.
She called the damning report card "a very, very biased accounting of
what's going on. It reads like a political agenda."
Ms. Murray said the charge that B.C. has weakened its drinking water
regulations was nonsense, noting that the province was previously
known as the "wild west" for ground water.
"Now we are developing ground water regulations for the first time. .
. . [and we have] source-to-tap assessment of every drinking water
system in the province.
"Their report is very selective, very unbalanced. They pull one piece
out of legislation they don't like, and use that one piece to bash the
government. "There are over 400 environmental groups in the province
and it's not possible to satisfy everyone," the minister said.
She acknowledged reductions in staffing levels but said conservation
officers are now being used more efficiently, rather than sitting
around in offices answering the phone on minor matters.
However, Ms. Husband of the Sierra Club said B.C. will now have only
one staff member for every seven parks, and parks will be be open to
commercial development.
Bill Tieleman's Political Connections column in the Georgia Straight for Dec. 26, 2002-Jan 2, 2003
CHOKED names B.C. Premier Gordon Campbell "Clean Air Villain of the Year."
CHOKED, a clean air advocacy group in Smithers, B.C., has awarded B.C. Premier Gordon Campbell its inaugural "Clean Air Villain of the Year" award for 2002.
Mr. Campbell has rolled back environmental protection for the polluters of B.C. by numerous amendments to Orders in Council, by responding favourably to the B.C. Business Council's call for a rewrite to weaken the province's Waste Management Act, and has waited until the traditional slow news period at the very end of the year to renew the operating permits for 14 antique pollution engines called "beehive burners."
"The burner permit extension was the deciding factor," said CHOKED President Dave Stevens. "Lots of B.C. polluters were in contention, but really, the nerve of the man sneaking this amendment furtively out as a Christmas present to his backers in the forest industry is just too much. No way can anyone else be credited with doing as much damage to the respiratory health of British Columbians as its Premier."
Other considerations were Mr. Campbell's commitment to coal as a fuel source, his government's addiction to greenhouse gas emissions, and encouragement of offshore oil exploration with its attendant ghastly emissions dangers, at the wrong time in history.
Beehive burners are crude incineration devices that burn sawmill waste at low temperatures resulting in poor combustion. Joyce Murray, Minister responsible for B.C.'s Water, Land and Air Protection programs, has simultaneously stated her support for clean air initiatives and saluted and obeyed when told to extend pollution permits. All the Christmas Pollution Permits are for burners fouling the air near population centres. Many more remote burners are subject to little or no regulation. They represent a fire hazard and a hazard to the respiratory health of the population at large. Children, the elderly and those with pre-existing respiratory problems are known to be especially at risk.
David Anderson, federal Minister of Environment, states that upwards of four thousand people in Canada die each year from breathing the kind of air contaminants produced by these burners.
It is especially noteworthy that Mr. Campbell is trying to salvage much-needed brownie points in the polls by vigorously opposing the permits of the controversial SE2 power plant proposed just across the U.S. border from Abbotsford, B.C. It will produce particulate pollution from gas fired generators. He is simultaneously trying to impose gas fired turbine power generation in Vancouver Island, also a part of the Georgia Basin airshed.
"Try a little of that Bush-style sabre-rattling at domestic polluters, why don't you," said Stevens. "It's enough to make you wonder what Mr. Campbell tells his kids he does for a living."
http://cleanairbc.tc.ca
Here is a little song you can sing while your reading about your precious premier.
What Shall We Do With An Arrogant Premier?
(Tune: What Shall We Do With a Drunken Sailor?)
What shall we do with an arrogant premier?
What shall we do with a heartless premier?
What shall we do with a power drunk premier?
Fight the Campbell Cutbacks!
Chorus:
Hey, hey, let's have an uprising!
Hey, hey, let's have an uprising!
Fight the Campbell Cutbacks!
Make him wait to see a doctor
Make him wait for urgent treatment
Make him sleep in the E.R. hallway
Fight the Campbell Cutbacks!
Chorus
Send him back to kindergarten
Make him learn in a crowded classroom
Make him fundraise for materials
Fight the Campbell Cutbacks!
Chorus
Make him work for training wages
Make him work for rolled back wages
Make him stand in the Campbell soupline
Fight the Campbell Cutbacks!
What Shall We Do With An Arrogant Premier?
(Tune: What Shall We Do With a Drunken Sailor?)
What shall we do with an arrogant premier?
What shall we do with a heartless premier?
What shall we do with a power drunk premier?
Fight the Campbell Cutbacks!
Chorus:
Hey, hey, let's have an uprising!
Hey, hey, let's have an uprising!
Fight the Campbell Cutbacks!
Make him wait to see a doctor
Make him wait for urgent treatment
Make him sleep in the E.R. hallway
Fight the Campbell Cutbacks!
Chorus
Send him back to kindergarten
Make him learn in a crowded classroom
Make him fundraise for materials
Fight the Campbell Cutbacks!
Chorus
Make him work for training wages
Make him work for rolled back wages
Make him stand in the Campbell soupline
Fight the Campbell Cutbacks!
Hey Gordo wants to sell the province to the US :x Maybe this guys a CIA agent provocature :lol: :lol: 
Sent here to discredit you evil terrorist left wing nut jobs :lol:
Sent here to discredit you evil terrorist left wing nut jobs :lol:pea....
You really should be posting a paragraph or 2 and then linking to the original article. You're violating copyright laws here... plus then we can judge the bias of your sources for ourselves.
Vicky Husband of the Sierra Club?
No... no agenda there. :roll:
You really should be posting a paragraph or 2 and then linking to the original article. You're violating copyright laws here... plus then we can judge the bias of your sources for ourselves.
Vicky Husband of the Sierra Club?
No... no agenda there. :roll:
I hear these stories every single day! There are thousands of them thanks to gordon campbell and his liberals.
The day before yesterday, one of the residents where I work, was feeling under the weather. When she started vomiting, I called an ambulance for her. She was taken to the hospital around 9:30 AM. Just was returned and dumped off back at home around 4:30PM the same day, she had bronchial pneumonia. She was left with a bottle of pills and piece of paper saying a nurse would visit her. This women is 93 years old, this is a independent living facility. I called that nurse and told her to get her ass over here and a few daily checks on this resident. She came once. I do not blame her, they are so overworked and overwhelmed by what campbell has done they cannot keep up. I would also like to mention that when the resident was taken to the emergency, she had to wait outside the hospital on a stretcher with the others, waiting to see a doctor.
Yesterday, I checked on this resident all day, around 4 I noticed her breathing had changed, for the WORSE. I called an ambulance for her again. Good thing I did, her infection has progressed, I seriously wonder now if she will make it. I lay this at the feet of the people responsible for this chaos, gordon campbell and his liberals. This story is repeated over and over again, day in and day out since the liberals were elected in this province. They are not isolated or rare. They are common every day occurances. Every one who works in any kind of health care in this province knows what the liberals have done.
The day before yesterday, one of the residents where I work, was feeling under the weather. When she started vomiting, I called an ambulance for her. She was taken to the hospital around 9:30 AM. Just was returned and dumped off back at home around 4:30PM the same day, she had bronchial pneumonia. She was left with a bottle of pills and piece of paper saying a nurse would visit her. This women is 93 years old, this is a independent living facility. I called that nurse and told her to get her ass over here and a few daily checks on this resident. She came once. I do not blame her, they are so overworked and overwhelmed by what campbell has done they cannot keep up. I would also like to mention that when the resident was taken to the emergency, she had to wait outside the hospital on a stretcher with the others, waiting to see a doctor.
Yesterday, I checked on this resident all day, around 4 I noticed her breathing had changed, for the WORSE. I called an ambulance for her again. Good thing I did, her infection has progressed, I seriously wonder now if she will make it. I lay this at the feet of the people responsible for this chaos, gordon campbell and his liberals. This story is repeated over and over again, day in and day out since the liberals were elected in this province. They are not isolated or rare. They are common every day occurances. Every one who works in any kind of health care in this province knows what the liberals have done.
Nor are they new. THe same stories were being told under the previous government. And the one before that.....
Do any of us honestly believe things will be different if we elect "the other guy"? The only difference in each party is who they need to "pay back".
I'm feeling extra cynical this morning.
I'm just trying to lighten the mood of this thread :lol: Lets face it this is the third day of the Liars clubs running around the province telling us great big fat lies :lol: Then were going to get the Feds doing the same thing how to ruin a good summer :lol:
Campbell misled public on NDP finances
By Will McMartin
Mere days after winning the 2001 general election with promises of honesty and accountability, incoming premier Gordon Campbell called NDP finances “worse than we anticipated.” But his briefing binders, gained by The Tyee through an FOI, showed he’d inherited a $1.5 billion surplus.
Read the full story at www.thetyee.ca
By Will McMartin
Mere days after winning the 2001 general election with promises of honesty and accountability, incoming premier Gordon Campbell called NDP finances “worse than we anticipated.” But his briefing binders, gained by The Tyee through an FOI, showed he’d inherited a $1.5 billion surplus.
Read the full story at www.thetyee.ca
HELLO - MCFLY! DID YOU SEE WHAT THE ACTUAL STATEMENT FROM THE LIBERALS WAS???
OKAY - I WILL POST IT AGAIN:
I suggest you stick to welding (not economics) - BC has the highest percentage of people earning more than $16.00/hour in Canada.
So much for lightening the mood of this thread 8O As far as I'm concerned your fighting over nothing their both corrupt to the core The only thing that gets decided in these elections is Who's friends get to steal our tax dollars and rape the provinces resources and enviroment .There really is no choice just different rhetoric
The only thing that gets decided in these elections is Who's friends get to steal our tax dollars and rape the provinces resources and enviroment .There really is no choice just different rhetoric