Thats a sore subject with me too......I dont go to any functions at Foxwood. VA doesnt have that.......maybe thats what the ruccus is about.
Must Natives pay Taxes?
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Thats a sore subject with me too......I dont go to any functions at Foxwood. VA doesnt have that.......maybe thats what the ruccus is about.
Yeah, well you better believe North Dakota does! I am across the boarder from: Turtle Mountain Chippewa Reserve, in Rolla/Belcourt North Dakota, I live 20-25 minutes away.
But for some reason (which I don't get), the reserve stops at the boarder and in Canada it become Turtle Mountain Provincial Park. I didn't think the reserves followed our boarders
But for some reason (which I don't get), the reserve stops at the boarder and in Canada it become Turtle Mountain Provincial Park. I didn't think the reserves followed our boarders
Thats what I was trying to ask Teddybear Id be interested to know what the laws are.
Yeah if they have different laws and stuff, how come a reserve follows the boarders of U.S. and Canada, shouldn't it reach into both nations if it wants?
I am guessing boarder issues..
I am guessing boarder issues..
It just bugs me because they have so much to offer and there's so much baggage, on both sides. Move on.
I agree and I did. Im a practicing Shaman and a Practicing Priestess LOL I think I did good
I agree and I did. Im a practicing Shaman and a Practicing Priestess LOL I think I did good
I will say I certainly learned a lot from the elder women. I remember one women telling me she didn't like me. I was used to t his sort of thing so I didn't ask her to expand, but she did. She went on to say it wasn't our fault, our spirits are in competition for someting, didn't you feel it when you walked in the room? Oddly enough, I did.
I will say I certainly learned a lot from the elder women. I remember one women telling me she didn't like me. I was used to t his sort of thing so I didn't ask her to expand, but she did. She went on to say it wasn't our fault, our spirits are in competition for someting, didn't you feel it when you walked in the room? Oddly enough, I did.
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We ALL have it........lol dont get me started Bear will get mad at me for hijacking his thread LOL
I honestly don't know any more. Some just want the treaties to be honoured and errors to be addressed(much like myself), while others seek for the Feds to pay for some long since past act that I fail to see as relavent.
I'ld like to tank you for your efforts, and offer you my heart felt apology for the stupidity expressed to you. We are not all that ignorant.
I was wondering if you could PM me some info on the suicide rates and self rule, I would love to have that info at my disposal, for future use, if you wouldn't mind?
I wouldn't sell yourself so short, you made a couple good points as far as I'm concerned and I thank you for it.
You're welcome.
If I wanted to be sued into bankruptcy, I could post a fairly good sized list of Native leaders that have been hilited, by my own small network, as crooks and thieves. The evidence is still forthcoming, so I can not in all good conscience do so, but you are not wrong, we have our share of asshats running the roosts.
In the same light, I can post scandals and crimes committed by every political party, in Canada and the US, so should the Natives encompass the entire Non Native community in the light their leaders create?
Nope, not at all. In many cases, the treaties were considered a contract to a working relationship. In the case of the Confederacy, we entered into the Covenant Chain and Two row Wampum agreements, which was an agreement to walk a path side by side as two Nations.
Even if they were terms of surrender, under international law, those terms of surrender must be honoured or renegotiated, for time imemorium.
I can provide you with links to videos and documentation, explaining these if you would like.
Yes. But like the Non Native community, it is a wide and varying cross section of religous beliefs. Thanks to the residential schools, a lot of our religion was replaced by Christianity, by force. It is slowly making its way back into the lives of the First Nations and I suspect that will play a large roll in our healing. I for one, am one of those that have been healed by my return to the old traditions and beliefs.
Yes, very much so. In many cases, The Great Spirit is seen as the Christian God.
I have family that are considered Metis, I have worked with the Metis Nation in my Province, with regards to the corrupt leaders you spoke of earlier.
This is the beauty of freedom of religion, anyone can believe what they want.
It was lost, well actually beaten out of us, but it is making its way back into our lives, as I have already stated.
There is no accounting for some peoples stupidity, and the Fed's are not immune and have made a sport of that.
Bear
Ok, from an 'academic' stand point, direct relation isn't quite accurate, I should have said direct corelation between self-rule (cultural continuity) and suicide rates (ok, it was the beer talking
)). Here is a link to one of the most thorough studies I was able to find for a term paper on the topic. http://web.uvic.ca/~lalonde/manuscripts/1998TransCultural.pdfHere's another link to health Canada where Chandler & Lalondes findings are again mentioned, along with other data.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fnih-spni/pubs/suicide/prev_youth-jeunes/section2_2_e.html
This isn't a study, but rather a report on the findings of a study done in Nunavut Territory, where the rates are the highest. Unikkaartuit: Meanings of Well-Being, Sadness, Suicide and Change in Two Inuit Communities (Principal Investigator - Dr. Michael Kral) You'll have to scroll down the page a bit to find it, it's also a word doc. http://www.communitylifelines.ca/resources.htm
That's all I could find from that paper off hand.
Thanx kindly said1, I do appreciate it greatly.Ok, from an 'academic' stand point, direct relation isn't quite accurate, I should have said direct corelation between self-rule (cultural continuity) and suicide rates (ok, it was the beer talking
Here's another link to health Canada where Chandler & Lalondes findings are again mentioned, along with other data.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fnih-spni/pubs/suicide/prev_youth-jeunes/section2_2_e.html
This isn't a study, but rather a report on the findings of a study done in Nunavut Territory, where the rates are the highest. Unikkaartuit: Meanings of Well-Being, Sadness, Suicide and Change in Two Inuit Communities (Principal Investigator - Dr. Michael Kral) You'll have to scroll down the page a bit to find it, it's also a word doc. http://www.communitylifelines.ca/resources.htm
That's all I could find from that paper off hand.
They're good starting points and interesting reports and studies for the most part. Chandler & Lalonde's study and the last link I posted have the most in common. What is most interesting about the last link is that the people studied came to smiliar conclusions as C&L, but on their own.
Canada.
Consider it pay back. You want Natives to get with the 20th century, with casinos they have. You can't have it both ways.
See below...
See below...
Well thanx to the war of 1812, there are two distinct Nations at play here. Both having their own set of laws. The Natives on the other hand do not see themselves as being part of that law on the whole. Sure some reserves have ended at a border, but that was not by our choice. Look at Corwall Island, it borders two Provinces and and the State of New York.
Under the Jay treaty, we as First Nations people, do not necessarily have to observe the international border either, being citizens of North America.
I agree, but will point out my signature.
Hmm... I knew a FN girl in high school. We got to talking about how there weren't very many native kids at our school, and I happened to mention that I was Metis. She sneered and said, "We make fun of Metis." And that was the end of our acquaintance. It put me off my search for information about my ancestry. Truth be told, at the time it made me somewhat ashamed of my heritage. At that point, especially living on the prairies, I was hearing about how Natives are lazy and drunks, then I hear from the other side about how Metis are useless and a joke. You can understand a teenager having an identity crisis.
Fortunately, with the death of my grandmother, my family really took a hard look at our history and rekindled my interest. I now know that my ancestor, Joseph Arcand, was imprisoned alongside Louis Riel for a year for doing nothing but guarding some prisoners. And that my great, grand mother received a land settlement to the sum of a whopping three hundred and twenty dollars.
Fun fact, I read a bunch of the testimony from trials, most of the men tried for the rebellion were bending over backwards to call Reil a loon and disassociate themselves. It would have been comical if not for the out and out racism contained in the text. Metis were labeled 'Half-Breed' in official government documents.
ukeright:Here's a question: I understand wanting to live up to treaty obligations, but if aboriginals living and earning on reserve do not expect to pay taxes, should the government be obligated to provide services (such as water purification, however poorly done). Or should the reserve bands be expected to raise funds to pay for these things themselves, just as any other municipal district?
And, for that matter, can reserves even be considered municipal districts?
Hmm... I knew a FN girl in high school. We got to talking about how there weren't very many native kids at our school, and I happened to mention that I was Metis. She sneered and said, "We make fun of Metis." And that was the end of our acquaintance. It put me off my search for information about my ancestry. Truth be told, at the time it made me somewhat ashamed of my heritage. At that point, especially living on the prairies, I was hearing about how Natives are lazy and drunks, then I hear from the other side about how Metis are useless and a joke. You can understand a teenager having an identity crisis.
Fortunately, with the death of my grandmother, my family really took a hard look at our history and rekindled my interest. I now know that my ancestor, Joseph Arcand, was imprisoned alongside Louis Riel for a year for doing nothing but guarding some prisoners. And that my great, grand mother received a land settlement to the sum of a whopping three hundred and twenty dollars.
Fun fact, I read a bunch of the testimony from trials, most of the men tried for the rebellion were bending over backwards to call Reil a loon and disassociate themselves. It would have been comical if not for the out and out racism contained in the text. Metis were labeled 'Half-Breed' in official government documents.
Here's a question: I understand wanting to live up to treaty obligations, but if aboriginals living and earning on reserve do not expect to pay taxes, should the government be obligated to provide services (such as water purification, however poorly done). Or should the reserve bands be expected to raise funds to pay for these things themselves, just as any other municipal district?
And, for that matter, can reserves even be considered municipal districts?
very good questions and sorry that the girl treated you like less than her. Historically, native people didn't accept half breeds and same with the whites they both didn't accept them. that is why they created the metis nation if i am not mistaken. also, through oral history i was taught that the soldiers raped our women and that is partly how that nation was created. perhaps that is why the metis could be being shunned.