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Anonymous

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That was a truly terrific article and it truly says it like it is. You have a uniqyue way of making specific points without referencing them directly. Any assistance you could give in helping get the word out would be appreciated. Are you close enough to attend any of these events?
Eric
 

Démocrite

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Seriously, I think the Canadian law says that it is legal to smoke marijuana as far as you don't inhale deeply and you promess you won't be causing trouble.
 

BuzzzWorthy

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This email came this morning and it might take a second read to get the drift of it. Essentially, what appears to be happening is that Jack Layton is back peddeling on the stance he took in the fall. This is partly becuase the numbers are not indicating his support due to a lack of admission by the toking community. If everybody that toked admitted it this situation would not exist. Fear rules and as long as the fear of arrest, detainment and imprisonment is a reality so too will be the silence that surrounds it.

by my goog friend and comrade
Chris Goodwin
NDP Executive Youth Officer Hamilton Mountain

Dear Mr. Charles McKenzie,

My name is Christopher Goodwin, and I am writing to inform you of a major error in your article "Pot shots on the campaign trail" in tomorrows Montreal EXPress, were the NDP is said to indorse a policy without a single reference in your article.

"As for the NDP, they apparently wish Marc Emery would just go away. Period. Late last week party officials issued a terse statement discounting Emery. "Mr. Layton did not and does not endorse the legalization of marijuana," they said. "The NDP endorses its decriminalization." They further state that Marc Emery's activities are not sanctioned by the NDP, nor is he authorized to speak for the NDP at the 'Fill The Hill' rally, "or any other date."

First, who are "they" and who are these "party officials." During a nationally-lauded October, 2003 interview on Pot-Tv.net, NDP Leader Jack Layton was very explicit in his support for legalization of marijuana by refering to it as a "wonderful substance." Layton said that the NDP is "in favor of modernizing Canada's marijuana laws, and creating a legal environment where people can enjoy their marijuana in the peace and quiet of their own home, or in a cafe, without having to worry about being criminalized."

Layton couldn't spell out the details of the NDP's proposals to legalize marijuana in Canada. But he assured Pot-TV viewers that legalization would be a part of a comprehensive update to the NDP platform, which would appear on their website "in the next two or three months." Layton also criticized the Liberal government's proposals to "decriminalize" cannabis possession without allowing people to grow or purchase the herb. Layton said that the NDP supported a system "that allows people to consume marijuana, particularly marijuana they might grow themselves, but also for there to be some sort of technique that allows them to purchase it safely, knowing what the quality is, knowing what's there, and to have that all be a legal activity."

Emery then outlined what he saw as the necessary requirements for cannabis Canadians to support the NDPinstead of the Canadian Marijuana Party. "First, the NDP website must be updated to include very specific anti-prohibition statements regarding marijuana. Plus, Jack Layton needs to continue talking about this issue as often as possible, so that it becomes a top-five issue for the NDP. Finally, if we can get some past Marijuana Party candidates to become NDP candidates, then we can ensure that they do not abandon our message."

Since then, at various appearances throughout the nation, Layton has come out of the closet on pot. Last November 2003 Pot Tv's interview with NDP Leader Jack Layton aired on Global TV. Then in December he was interviewed on Cpac about his Pot policy. Mr. Layton proved once again that he is the leading Political figure in the cannabis reform movement.

On March 17, 2004 Layton appeared at the University of Waterloo, and when asked whether he had ever smoked marijuana, he replied "I never exhaled - that's my story and I'm sticking to it." Almost a week later, Layton appeared at an NDP benefit concert performed by Steven Page of the Barenaked Ladies, the Sadies, and the Constantines. Echoing the sentiments of many in-the-know Canadians, band members told the press that they supported the NDP because of Layton's support for the herb. On the 9th of April, Jack Layton reaafirmed his stance on legalizing marijuana in Canada and implications of legalization on Shaw Cable 4. Then on the 13th of April, Jack Layton was on CBC's Newsworld repeating the same NDP policy.

And just a few days ago (May 30), Layton told reporters that the NDP will extend pharmacare to cover prescription pot. "I've drawn a lot of inspiration from those who are tackling catastrophic illnesses and who are seeking the support for medical use," he said. Layton, furthermore, is no dummy to the politics of legalization versus decriminalization. He and his party, especially NDP MP Libby Davies, worked hard to amend and humanize the decrim bill, with limited success. Davies in particular alerted Canadians that the bill was a sham and in serious need of revision. NDP MPP, Peter Kormos, has appeared at activist demonstrations like Green Truth to speak against prohibition. "Canadians from all walks of life and generations are enjoying trainloads of marijuana," Kormos enthused. "The solution is to legalize it, regulate it, tax it and control it."

Finally, after speaking with Jack Layton personally at his Victory Gala were he promised me quick change, Aylwin Lo, the Communications Officer for the New Democratic Party of Canada sent me a letter March 1st 2004 saying "I've updated our English Issues area with our stance on legalization of marijuana, with a link from the alerts section of our front page. The French version is forthcoming. Let me know if you have any other concerns."

Better yet, marijuana advocate and licensed medpot user Alison Myrden has been nominated as the NDP candidate in Oakville, Ontario, And Crystal LeBlanc in the NDP Ottawa-Vanier riding. Polls show that the NDP are on track to form a coalition government with the Liberals, and although the Liberals are pot-washers, such an arrangement would be Canada's best chance at ending the weed-war from within the halls of power. The last time the NDP held the balance of power during a Liberal government was in the 60's, and they used their clout to bring in Canada's much-beloved universal health care system.

I have also found through searching that Ian Capstick, the Press Secretary for the NDP has was responsible for a letter to you that said...

"Dear Mr. McKenzie, Thank you for your email of May 26, 2004. With regard to your questions: (1) Mr. Layton did not and does not endorse the legalization of marijuana. The NDP endorses its decriminalization. (2) The NDP's official agent has not sanctioned any activities by Mr. Emory. (3) Mr. Layton in no way supports or endorses Mr. Emory's comments relating to the province of Saskatchewan or Ed Broadbent. (4) Mr. Emory is not authorized to speak for the NDP and will not be the sanctioned NDP spokesperson at a pro-marijuana rally on June 5th or on any other date. Cordially yours, Ian Capstick"

You may want to contact Jack, Aylwin, Alison, Libby and Peter before running to the printers with some press screeners biased personal view. Tell Jack to ignore his advisors and show true leadership. Tell Jack that Canada is ready to vote for "cafes instead of punishment" and make a serious change for world peace, herbal medicine, organic agriculture, a strong economy and a sustainable environment all at the same time. Tell him to be more vocal in his defense of cannabis, cannabis users and cannabis farmers, and in return we'll get the vote out on election day.

Christopher Goodwin
NDP Executive Youth Officer Hamilton Mountain
79 McElroy Road East
Hamilton, Ontario,
L9A 1Y7
(905) 318-1680
 

Numure

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If the goverment owns and controls pot, then it can insure that all Un natural substances can be removed. Right now, on the black market, natural pot cant be found. Its impossible. Natural though, its still dangerous, but much less then it is right now.
 

BuzzzWorthy

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Numure said:
If the goverment owns and controls pot, then it can insure that all Un natural substances can be removed. Right now, on the black market, natural pot cant be found. Its impossible. Natural though, its still dangerous, but much less then it is right now.


You clearly have no knowledge of this subject what so ever.

I manage a cannabis production facility for Treating Yourself Compassion Club and I can tell you with absolute surety that you need to do a great deal of research on this subject before making such erroneous comments.

What are these "substances" you are referring too? If you are referring to the chemicals used to feed the plants then why could the government control that any better? One week of flush with pure H2O and there are no more (Un Natural ) chems.

As for letting the provinces handle it, the issue of law surrounding it (CDSA) is Federal. Oh yea, your not part of Canada sorry.

I'm beginning to understand why it has taken so long to get through to the masses because if you are representative of the average Joe then we have a long way to go in enlightening the public.
 

Numure

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You do have a long way to go. I was reffering to the "weed" on the black market. Now, you prone that we should leave this in the hands of private compagnies? Are you looking for another Tabacco type of industries? With all the added substances in the products all to improve addictiveness, taste and what-not? I for one, don't wish to see that happen... If it is legalised.
 

BuzzzWorthy

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Homework

ponygurl said:
me said:
It also does not have nearly as many carcinogens as tobacco.
Put down your doob and do your homework. :roll:
I have done my homework teacher, may I speak?

Cannabis research data contains these known facts that are not in dispute so I feel it my responsibility to pass it on to you.

Studies concluded that Marijuana contains 10X more tar than tobacco (this data results from measuring the tar from the fan leaves and stock). This information is what the prohibitionists use.

The same study also concluded that smoke from the flower (actual part of plant consumed) contains 10X LESS tar. These figures are not even mentioned though.

Marijuana clears bronchial tubes and aids in flushing the system of harmful build ups of pollutants.

Sorry to pee on your show but at least I didn't tell you it was raining.
 

American Voice

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Down here, as you may have heard, the federal government reached a settlement with the tobacco industry. The government's case was based on evidence indicating that tobacco is a harmful substance that ought to be banned. The industry responded by offering to pay huge sums for cancer research, modify its marketting tactics, and fund anti-smoking campaigns. I am not aware if there is a parallel settlement in Canada. My point is that, as it is in fact the case that regular marijuana use poses an even greater hazard to health, as it has an even more insidious carcinogenic effect, the United States can never legalize its use--it would be such an hypocrisy, in light of the Tobacco Settlement. It would almost certainly provide grounds enabling the tobacco industry to petition for a vacating of the settlement. Thus, hands are tied here.
 

Numure

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The compagnies we're never sued. By our way to fight tabacco is quite different. No tabacco ads are allowed anywhere in Canada. On anything. Half a pack of cigarettes is reserved for Health Canada to inform smokers of long term consequences. Taxes on tabacco products are also quite high. More then 60% of the price we pay, is taxes. That money is given to the provinces for health care.
 

BuzzzWorthy

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American Voice said:
Down here, as you may have heard, the federal government reached a settlement with the tobacco industry. The government's case was based on evidence indicating that tobacco is a harmful substance that ought to be banned. The industry responded by offering to pay huge sums for cancer research, modify its marketting tactics, and fund anti-smoking campaigns. I am not aware if there is a parallel settlement in Canada. My point is that, as it is in fact the case that regular marijuana use poses an even greater hazard to health, as it has an even more insidious carcinogenic effect, the United States can never legalize its use--it would be such an hypocrisy, in light of the Tobacco Settlement. It would almost certainly provide grounds enabling the tobacco industry to petition for a vacating of the settlement. Thus, hands are tied here.

Up here we are just as concerned about tobacco and it's effects. 213 some odd chemicals (most artificially introduced) but again I reiterate cannabis has not been proven to be harmful unless use becomes (chronic) where studies do support short term memory loss as a sequalie to such consumption. The following post I copied verbatum is an excellant example of how opinions can vary.

Subject: Cannabis not implicated in stroke in adolescents.


Cerebellar Infarction in Adolescent Males Associated With Acute
Marijuana Use. Geller T, Loftis L, Brink DS. Pediatrics (2004)
113;4:365-370

Dear Colleagues,

This item provides no evidence that cannabis causes stroke. The authors
claim it is a possibility but their evidence persuades to the contrary
view on my reading. They even quote the various known 'neuroprotective'
and positive therapeutic effects of cannabis.

In one of the three adolescent stroke cases the authors 'could not get
an adequate history of pattern of use' and this patient had negative THC
findings 3 days after supposedly substantial use of the drug. This is
inconsistent with my experience as THC remains detectable for many days
and sometimes weeks after use. Yet we are quoted a source citing it as a
possibility to have a negative qualitative THC finding 3 days after
exposure (? a small quantity consumed or ? false negative result). They
state that the annual rate of stroke in children is approximately 60 per
million (regardless of cannabis use). Clearly in late teens there will
be a proportion (in fact, an increasing proportion) who happen to be
using cannabis.

In order to test a hypothesis that cannabis leads to stroke, it would be
appropriate to look at the many 'natural experiments' where cannabis use
has gained popularity (eg. Jamaica, Greece, Australia). I am not aware
of any such associations being shown. These authors can only find eight
other literature references to stroke in young cannabis users and they
state that most are isolated case reports with some being 'more
convincing than others'. In addition, it would appear that two of them
are by these same authors reporting one of these exact same cases.

These authors have been conservative and comprehensive in their
descriptions but have jumped to a conclusion that cannabis use can cause
hypotension and 'possibly vasospasm .. resulting in cerebellar
ischemia'. This is despite their stating that 'The neuropharmacologic
literature regarding THC generally describes neuroprotective effects .
as well as therapeutic effects including analgesia, ocular hypotension
and antiemesis. In a rat model of focal cerebral ischemia, synthetic
cannabinoid agonists have been reported to reduce infarct volume'. So it
is even conceivable that cannabis might benefit stroke victims in
certain circumstances.

Thus there is no strong theoretical reason to suppose that cannabis
would cause stroke and these cases do not argue for it in any scientific
way either. Casual or coincident use of cannabis in teenagers with other
rare illnesses can hardly be taken as evidence of causation.

As ever, this item will be used by those opposing rational drug laws to
demand that prohibition is needed more than ever. Yet this very report
comes from the United States (St Louis, Missouri) where cannabis use and
possession are still severely prosecuted, with very little benefit, it
seems, to those intended to be protected such as the tragic cases of the
young men described in this report. A recent report showed little
difference in cannabis use between San Francisco and Amsterdam where
policies are almost opposite.

A report in the Courier Mail (p3, 5/5) stated that "all had apparently
been binge smoking" which was incorrect (two had possibly been 'binge
smoking' while no history was available for the third who may have used
no cannabis at all). It also stated that 'the drug has been found to
trigger "brain attacks" in teenagers'. This is also inconsistent with my
reading of the article and shows that the journalist did not read it
very carefully.

comments by Andrew Byrne ..

Geller T, Loftis L, Brink DS. Cerebellar Infarction in Adolescent Males
Associated With Acute Marijuana Use. Pediatrics (2004) 113;4:365-370

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dr Andrew Byrne,
Medical Practitioner, Dependency Medicine,
75 Redfern Street, Redfern,
New South Wales, 2016, Australia
Email - ajbyrneATozemail.com.au
Tel (61 - 2) 9319 5524 Fax 9318 0631


PLAYING THE GAME

http://www.oregongreenfree.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1067&hl

http://www.judgejudy.com/

OGF EXCLUSIVE:

One of our members, Rick Buck, was taking his caregiver, Gordon Westfall, to
small claims court.

The Judge Judy show got wind of it and wanted them on the show. They agreed and
the show was taped yesterdy!

The outcome was as we all had hoped.

Judge Judy found in favor of the patient, and awarded him $425.00.

This was the money he had paid Gordon for growing for him for the last 5 months.
During which time Gordon had delivered no usable medication to the patient. And
had severed his services.

Although motivated by the need to satisfy ratings it does none the less show that America has long ago been awakened and is responding whether or not GW Bush likes it. It was in deed Texans that motivated the criminalization of marijuana in an effort to keep the meicans from getting the cowboys high.

Thank You Judge Judy


FYI

Study Debunks Feds' Marijuana Claims

Regulated Sales May Stop "Gateway Effect" Without Increasing Marijuana Use

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- A new study appearing in the May issue of the American
Journal of Public Health debunks several of the major claims made by the federal
government and other proponents of marijuana prohibition. The study, which
compared patterns of marijuana use in Amsterdam, where possession and purchase
of small amounts of marijuana by adults are allowed under a legally regulated
system, and San Francisco, where such activities are illegal and punishable by
fines or jail, found no significant differences in patterns of marijuana use in
the two cities, and greater use of hard drugs in San Francisco.

Researchers from the University of California and the University of Amsterdam
conducted detailed interviews with hundreds of randomly chosen marijuana users
-- people who had used marijuana at least 25 timesÑin both cities. "Proponents
of criminalization attribute to their preferred drug-control regimen a special
power to affect user behavior," the authors write. "Our findings cast doubt on
such attributions. Despite widespread lawful availability of cannabis
[marijuana] in Amsterdam, there were no differences between the two cities in
age at onset of use, age at first regular use, or age at the start of maximum
use. ... We also found consistent similarities in patterns of use across the
different policy contexts."

One significant difference: Marijuana users in San Francisco were much more
likely to use powder or crack cocaine, opiates, amphetamines or ecstasy than
their Amsterdam counterparts. Lifetime crack cocaine use in the San Francisco
sample was five times that of the Amsterdam group. "Dutch decriminalization does
not appear to be associated with greater use of other drugs," the researchers
report. "Indeed, to judge from the lifetime prevalence of other illicit drug
use, the reverse may be the case."

Bruce Mirken, communications director for the Washington, D.C.-based Marijuana
Policy Project, commented, "Despite the claims by federal officials like White
House Drug Czar John Walters, the evidence continues to grow that marijuana
prohibition not only doesn't curb marijuana use, it actually contributes to the
so-called 'gateway effect,' by exposing marijuana users to criminal dealers of
hard drugs. A system of responsible regulation can break the link between
marijuana and far more dangerous substances."

The full study can be obtained on the American Journal of Public Health's web
site, http://www.ajph.org.

Prohibition is Harmful, Failed and Unjust.
Peace
 

ponygurl

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Re: Homework

BuzzzWorthy said:
ponygurl said:
me said:
It also does not have nearly as many carcinogens as tobacco.
Put down your doob and do your homework. :roll:
I have done my homework teacher, may I speak?

Cannabis research data contains these known facts that are not in dispute so I feel it my responsibility to pass it on to you.

Studies concluded that Marijuana contains 10X more tar than tobacco (this data results from measuring the tar from the fan leaves and stock). This information is what the prohibitionists use.

The same study also concluded that smoke from the flower (actual part of plant consumed) contains 10X LESS tar. These figures are not even mentioned though.

Marijuana clears bronchial tubes and aids in flushing the system of harmful build ups of pollutants.

Sorry to pee on your show but at least I didn't tell you it was raining.
Link?
 

BuzzzWorthy

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American Voice said:
Down here, as you may have heard, the federal government reached a settlement with the tobacco industry. The government's case was based on evidence indicating that tobacco is a harmful substance that ought to be banned. The industry responded by offering to pay huge sums for cancer research, modify its marketting tactics, and fund anti-smoking campaigns. I am not aware if there is a parallel settlement in Canada. My point is that, as it is in fact the case that regular marijuana use poses an even greater hazard to health, as it has an even more insidious carcinogenic effect, the United States can never legalize its use--it would be such an hypocrisy, in light of the Tobacco Settlement. It would almost certainly provide grounds enabling the tobacco industry to petition for a vacating of the settlement. Thus, hands are tied here.

Up here we who are in fact members of the cannabis community have decided to express our displeasure with the prohibition. More specifically, why they were implimented, how they were implemented and why they continue to be enforced even in light of the fact that it was one female Canadian Senator who believed the hype coming from Texas about drug crazed mexicans and children who become retarded, violent and homicidal after consuming it.

Tomorrow at Parliament Hill in Ottawa Ontario expect to see thousands of Cana(b)ains protesting this reality.

For info on the event visit http://www.fillthehill.ca

A good article by Matthew Mernagh about Fill the Hill...

http://www.cannabisculture.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=869782

Potheads Begin Pilgrimage To Ottawa
The Woodstock of Grass Protests Intends To Fill the Hill

http://www.officialspin.com/main.php?action=recent&rid=1540

I Am A Canabian

Connecting the Cannabis Community
 

BuzzzWorthy

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Re: Homework

ponygurl said:
BuzzzWorthy said:
ponygurl said:
me said:
It also does not have nearly as many carcinogens as tobacco.
Put down your doob and do your homework. :roll:
I have done my homework teacher, may I speak?

Cannabis research data contains these known facts that are not in dispute so I feel it my responsibility to pass it on to you.

Studies concluded that Marijuana contains 10X more tar than tobacco (this data results from measuring the tar from the fan leaves and stock). This information is what the prohibitionists use.

The same study also concluded that smoke from the flower (actual part of plant consumed) contains 10X LESS tar. These figures are not even mentioned though.

Marijuana clears bronchial tubes and aids in flushing the system of harmful build ups of pollutants.

Sorry to pee on your show but at least I didn't tell you it was raining.
Link?

In fact you have me on that one. I have in fact been seeking the same. I do though have the email address of the individual who passed that along to me. Tell Goodster that you were debating with Buzz and he will gladly provide the sources that he has referenced. ndpgoodwin@hotmail.com
 

ponygurl

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Re: Homework

BuzzzWorthy said:
ponygurl said:
me said:
It also does not have nearly as many carcinogens as tobacco.
Put down your doob and do your homework. :roll:
I have done my homework teacher, may I speak?

Cannabis research data contains these known facts that are not in dispute so I feel it my responsibility to pass it on to you.

Studies concluded that Marijuana contains 10X more tar than tobacco (this data results from measuring the tar from the fan leaves and stock). This information is what the prohibitionists use.

The same study also concluded that smoke from the flower (actual part of plant consumed) contains 10X LESS tar. These figures are not even mentioned though.

Marijuana clears bronchial tubes and aids in flushing the system of harmful build ups of pollutants.

Sorry to pee on your show but at least I didn't tell you it was raining.
Buzzie..
Marijuana ( "pot" ) is the cannabis leaves. Hashish oil hails from the flower.
Also.. cigarettes use a filter to reduce the toxins from inhalation.
Unless you are packing your pot in a filtered ciggy roll, you are using no filter to protect yourself from the toxins..
AND.. if you are using a bowl.. it is obvious you are getting no filter.
 

Prometheus

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I feel if the government, American or Canadian, were to pass any laws legalizing marijuana it should be to grow your own for your own personal use. Then additives etc. are not an issue, nor is the supposed "criminal element" surrounding the trade of marijuana.
I have grown my own in the US for a few years now.There is never enough to sell, just enough for me and my friends to enjoy together. I KNOW mine is 100% natural, as I have cultivated my own strain over the years and through simple cloning have maintained that strain. It never goes back to seed.
That seems the simplest way to me, although I realize governments rarely agree on anything that they don't have direct control of.

Buzzie..
Marijuana ( "pot" ) is the cannabis leaves. Hashish oil hails from the flower.

This may have been true in the past, but now it is the opposite. Very few smokers actually smoke the leaves anymore, the flower or "bud" is much preferred. And a boildown extraction from leaves, stems and seed is becoming a cheaper way of producing hashish oils, although of a lesser quality.