Microsoft's new OS will kill you finacially

LittleRunningGag

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thecdn said:
Both of my home computers can easily handle vista - it's my hobby so it's where I spend my bucks :), but I have no intention of buying it as long as xp can do what I need.

You know what the worst of it is? Those dickheads aren't even going to give us a free copy like they did with XP and Office. A-holes. Between that and them still having my 360, I'm really getting mad at MS.
 

Swifty

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JonB2004 said:
Microsoft is apparently set to release its long awaited and continuously delayed operating system, Windows Vista, in January 2007. This week they released the system requirements and most people are either going to have to upgrade their current PC or buy a new one.

Here are the minimum system requirements for Windows Vista.

-A 1 GHz processor

-1 GB of RAM

-A 128 MB video card

-40 GB of hard drive space for installation plus 15 GB free hard drive space

-A DVD drive

-Internet Access

These requirements are so you can just run the basic features of the operating system. You will need better computer hardware if you want Windows Vista to run at its best. The minimum price for a Windows Vista Capable PC is about $1000. Looks like you PC users are about to get *censored*.




Your Info is incorrect.




Hardware requirements


Minimum Requirements (Vista-Capable PCs):

800 MHz Intel-compatible processor
512MB of RAM
DirectX 9.0-Capable Graphics Processor
20GB HD
Recommended Requirements (Premium-Ready PCs):

1 GHz Intel-compatible processor
1GB RAM
DirectX 9.0-Capable Graphics Processor, with 128MB graphics memory. (64MB of graphics memory to support a single monitor less than 1,310,720 pixels [no more than 1440x900]; 128MB of graphics memory to support a single monitor at resolutions from 1,310,720 to 2,304,000 pixels [no more than 1920x1200]; 256MB of graphics memory to support a single monitor at resolutions higher than 2,304,000 pixels [more than 1920x1200]).
40GB HD with at least 15GB "free space"




Ram is really cheap now and most shoud have at least 1 gb of RAM by now.


Also Vista has a few aces up its sleeve to enhance its performance. Say hello to Superfetch, ReadyBoost, and ReadyDrive.

"SuperFetch
SuperFetch essentially allows you to use USB 2.0 flash memory devices as a cache. Unfortunately, I was unable to get SuperFetch to work. I have both a 1GB USB 2.0 flash device and a 256MB USB 2.0 flash drive, but there wasn't anything I could find that would allow me to enable it or tell me that SuperFetch was indeed enabled. :D

ReadyBoost
ReadyBoost allows Vista to use your Flash Devices as some sort of Pagefile. I was able to get ReadyBoost to work after some digging. The first time I inserted my flash device I saw the option in the AutoPlay dialog. But on subsequent insertions it, never again gave me the option on AutoPlay. Nonetheless, digging around on the properties of the device I found the ReadyBoost tab."
:D



Internet Explorer 7+
Internet Explorer 7+ is the latest version of Internet Browser from Microsoft, and only Vista will get 7+. With this version of IE, Microsoft tries to catch up to the Firefoxes and Operas of the world with tabbed browsing and enhanced CSS support. With Vista IE7+ gains extra security features over its XP cousin. The main security feature that IE7+ for Vista has is "Protected Mode." This mode allows IE to run in a "vacuum," where the only thing it can touch is its own temporary directories. In Vista, Internet Explorer 7+ is no longer "hard wired" to the rest of the OS.
 

Swifty

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"1. Security, security, security: Windows XP Service Pack 2 patched a lot of holes, but Vista takes security to the next level. There are literally too many changes to list here, from the bidirectional software firewall that monitors inbound and outbound traffic to Windows Services Hardening, which prevents obscure background processes from being hijacked and changing your system. There's also full-disk encryption, which prevents thieves from accessing your data, even if they steal the PC out from under your nose.

Perhaps most crucial (and least sexy) is the long-overdue User Account Protection, which invokes administrator privileges as needed, such as during driver updates or software installations. UAP makes it much more convenient for users to operate Vista with limited rights (meaning the system won't let them do certain things, like load software, without clearance from an administrator). This in turn limits the ability of malware to hose your system.

2. Internet Explorer 7: IE gets a much-needed, Firefox-inspired makeover, complete with tabbed pages and better privacy management. There's also the color-coded Address Bar that lets you know if a page is secured by a digital key, or, thanks to new antiphishing features, if it's a phony Web site just looking to steal information about you.

These features will all be available for Windows XP users who download IE7. But Vista users get an important extra level of protection: IE7 on Vista will run in what Microsoft calls "protected mode"--a limited-rights mode that prevents third-party code from reaching your system. It's about darn time.

3. Righteous eye candy: For the first time, Microsoft is building high-end graphics effects into Windows. The touted Aero Glass interface features visually engaging 3D rendering, animation, and transparencies. Translucent icons, program windows, and other elements not only look cool, they add depth and context to the interface. For example, hover your cursor over minimized programs that rest on the taskbar and you'll be able to see real-time previews of what's running in each window without opening them full-screen. Now you can see what's going on behind the scenes, albeit at a cost: You need powerful graphics hardware and a robust system to manage all the effects.

4. Desktop search: Microsoft has been getting its lunch handed to it by Google and Yahoo on the desktop, but Vista could change all that. The new OS tightly integrates instant desktop search, doing away with the glacially slow and inadequate search function in XP. Powerful indexing and user-assignable metadata make searching for all kinds of data--including files, e-mails, and Web content--a lot easier. And if you're running Vista on a Windows Longhorn network, you can perform searches across the network to other PCs.

5. Better updates: Vista does away with using Internet Explorer to access Windows Update, instead utilizing a new application to handle the chore of keeping your system patched and up-to-date. The result is quicker response and a more tightly streamlined process. The update-tracking mechanism, for instance, is much quicker to display information about your installation. And now key components, such as the Windows Defender antispyware module, get their updates through this central point. Like other housekeeping features, a better Windows Update isn't a gee-whiz upgrade, but it should make it easier--and more pleasant--to keep your PC secure.

6. More media: Over the years, one of the key reasons to upgrade versions of Windows has been the free stuff Gates and Company toss into the new OS, and Vista is no exception. Windows Media Player (perhaps my least favorite application of all time) gets a welcome update that turns the once-bloated player into an effective MP3 library. The Windows Photo Gallery finally adds competent photo-library-management functionality to Windows, so you can organize photos; apply metatags, titles, and ratings; and do things like light editing and printing. The DVD Maker application, which was still very rough when I looked at it, promises to add moviemaking capabilities--along the lines of Movie Maker--to the operating system. There are even some nice new games tucked into the bundle.

7. Parental controls: Families, schools, and libraries will appreciate the tuned-up parental controls, which let you limit access in a variety of ways. Web filtering can block specific sites, screen out objectionable content by selected type, and lock out file downloads. You can also restrict each account's access by time of day or day of the week. As a dad, I can tell you this will be great for keeping kids off the PC while you're at work, for instance. You can even block access to games based on their Entertainment Software Rating Board ratings.

8. Better backups: When Windows 95 first came out, the typical hard disk was, maybe, 300MB in size. Today, desktops routinely ship with 300GB or 400GB hard drives. And yet, the built-in data-backup software in Windows has changed little in the past decade. Windows Vista boasts a much-improved backup program that should help users avoid wholesale digital meltdowns. Microsoft also tweaked the useful System Restore feature--which takes snapshots of your system state so you can recover from a nasty infection or botched software installation.

9. Peer-to-peer collaboration: The Windows Collaboration module uses peer-to-peer technology to let Vista users work together in a shared workspace. You can form ad hoc workgroups and then jointly work on documents, present applications, and pass messages. You can even post "handouts" for others to review.

10. Quick setup: Beta code alert: There are some Vista features I hope dearly for even though they haven't been built yet. This is one of them. Jim Allchin, Microsoft's co-president, says that Windows Vista boasts a re-engineered install routine, which will slash setup times from about an hour to as little as 15 minutes. Hurray! The new code wasn't in the beta version of Vista that Microsoft sent to me--my aging rig took well over an hour to set up--so I'll believe it when I see it. Still, any improvement in this area is welcome."



Looks good but I gut most of the bloatware for better performance.
Still Windows is the best for hacking up and getting the best performance.Bravo Microsoft :D
 

thecdn

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Re: RE: Microsoft's new OS will kill you finacially

the caracal kid said:
my comments on dual booting:
I personally do not like it, and consider it now far too "old school". With virtualization and multicore processors, the future will be running virtual OS's for all purposes.

I've set up a virtual xp machine in a couple of linux distros to run a couple of pgms and while it's neat and meets some of my needs it doesn't as of yet allow for high end gaming. You still need to boot into real xp to do that.
 

the caracal kid

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Re: RE: Microsoft's new OS will kill you finacially

thecdn said:
the caracal kid said:
my comments on dual booting:
I personally do not like it, and consider it now far too "old school". With virtualization and multicore processors, the future will be running virtual OS's for all purposes.

I've set up a virtual xp machine in a couple of linux distros to run a couple of pgms and while it's neat and meets some of my needs it doesn't as of yet allow for high end gaming. You still need to boot into real xp to do that.

I know. Not everything can be virtualized yet, but we are getting closer.

Peer-to-peer collaboration: The Windows Collaboration module uses peer-to-peer technology to let Vista users work together in a shared workspace. You can form ad hoc workgroups and then jointly work on documents, present applications, and pass messages. You can even post "handouts" for others to review.
this was the latest thing to be cut from vista.

The real benefit to vista won't be visable to the end user. It is that MS has reworked the code and laid the foundation for newer technologies which will be released later.
 

JonB2004

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JonB2004 said:
Microsoft is apparently set to release its long awaited and continuously delayed operating system, Windows Vista, in January 2007. This week they released the system requirements and most people are either going to have to upgrade their current PC or buy a new one.

Here are the minimum system requirements for Windows Vista.

-A 1 GHz processor

-1 GB of RAM

-A 128 MB video card

-40 GB of hard drive space for installation plus 15 GB free hard drive space

-A DVD drive

-Internet Access

These requirements are so you can just run the basic features of the operating system. You will need better computer hardware if you want Windows Vista to run at its best. The minimum price for a Windows Vista Capable PC is about $1000. Looks like you PC users are about to get *censored*.

Swifty said:
Your Info is incorrect.

Oh, I thought those system requirements were the minimum. Sorry.

But even these system requirements are really high.

-A 800 MHz processor
-512 MB of RAM
-DirectX 9.0-Capable graphics processor
-20GB of free hard drive space

Compare these to Windows XP's minimum system requirements.

-A 233 Mhz processor
-128 MB of RAM
-8 MB of Video RAM
-1.5 GB of free hard disk space

The Windows Vista minimum system requirements are 4 times higher than the minimum system requirements for Windows XP. And by the sound of it, Windows Vista isn't going to have many more features except for a few security updates, Internet Explorer 7, Windows Media Player 11, and the Windows Aero GUI.
 

FiveParadox

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RE: WIN Requirements

JonB2004, I would suggest to you that a majority of computer users (or at least those who use their computers enough to be interested in purchasing Microsoft® Windows® Vista, would have hardware that meet the requirements described above. None of the items listed above are uncommon, by any stretch of the term. I don't think it matters that the requirements are higher than those of the Microsoft® Windows® XP operating system, since hardware has evolved since its release, just as has the operating system.
 

LittleRunningGag

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JonB2004 said:
Oh, I thought those system requirements were the minimum. Sorry.

But even these system requirements are really high.

-A 800 MHz processor
-512 MB of RAM
-DirectX 9.0-Capable graphics processor
-20GB of free hard drive space

Compare these to Windows XP's minimum system requirements.

-A 233 Mhz processor
-128 MB of RAM
-8 MB of Video RAM
-1.5 GB of free hard disk space

Keep in mind that right now the majority of new computers would be able to run this if they had a slight video card upgrade. By the time Vista is released, the standards will be even higher.
 

Mogz

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Uh Jon, those minimums aren't true. Not even close actually:

Here are the REAL minimums:

-800mhz 32bit or 64bit processor
-512mb RAM
-SVGA Video Card running at least 800x600 resolution
-20gig HDD (15gig free)
-CDROM Drive

That's it, not even close to what you posted. Also, even though I despise having to post links to info (it always feels like someone saying "I told you so" via the internet), I know how flakey people are on these forums about linking to everything under the sun, so here's the link to the proper minimums.

P.S. I just noticed now that someone else already corrected you, but I still had fun doing it. Mogz for the win!
 

sha_zapple

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I dont know what kind of computer would have more Ram than hertz :lol:

I have a 1ghz with 512mb of ram, and thats just barely enough to run XP and other startup programs smoothly.

I have no intentions of upgrading to Vista any time soon, and since Im just a regular PC user then linux and mac are just not needed/practical.