Mel Hurtig to Paul Cellucci

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Speech on Canada - U.S. Relations -- Mel Hurtig (780) 488-3832 mhurtig@telusplanet.net

At The University of Victoria
April 4, 2003


I want to say a few words about the ill-mannered, obnoxious, arrogant U.S. Ambassador to Canada, Paul Cellucci.

Mr. Cellucci,
you ask why Canada doesn't support the United States. Why have we let you down?

Is not an equally justified question, Mr. Cellucci, why have you not supported Canada? Why have you turned your back on us? Why have you and your country proceeded in a reckless, arrogant manner which is 100% guaranteed to substantially increase terrorism and volatility around the world, is guaranteed to destabilize Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iran, Pakistan (with its nuclear weapons), Turkey, Indonesia, the Philippines, Sudan, Yemen and many other countries?

Why have you launched into this foolhardy aggression that will cause hundreds of millions of Muslims to hate and despise Westerners for generations into the future, with potentially cataclysmic results, for ourselves, for our children and for our grandchildren?

Mr. Cellucci,
you ask why Canada doesn't support the United States in your aggressive, pre-emptive militarism.

Let me give you just a few of the reasons:

First, we are opposed to war when we believe there are viable alternatives to war.

Scores of countries, Canada included, made it clear that they believed that more weapons inspectors and more time would determine whether or not Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

We also believed that unless they were invaded, there was no probability of Iraq launching attacks beyond its border.

We also believed that there was no evidence of cooperation between two natural opponents, Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden.

We also believed that your war would kill and injure thousands of innocents.

We also believed that we should not break with clear, long-established international lawŠ. international law which is the fundamental basis of the United Nations.

Unlike your country, Mr. Cellucci, Canada has always been a strong supporter of the United Nations.

Perhaps, Mr. Cellucci, you should look in a mirror and ask why it is that BOTH your NAFTA partners fought off heavy pressure from the White House and your State Department to join your ill-advised war. After all, didn't Mr. Bush once say that the U.S. has no greater friend than Mexico?

Where is it mandated that if your neighbour chooses to go off into a potentially catastrophic war, you must go too, even if we strongly disagree with your reasons and your logic, and if we regard your evidence for the necessity of war with the greatest skepticism?

Mr. Cellucci, the war your country has launched is the very type of war that was so harshly condemned by the Nuremberg War Crime Trials.

How is your attack on Baghdad different from the terrible day of infamy that Franklin Delano Roosevelt spoke of after Japans attack on Pearl Harbour, December 7th, 1941? Today, just as we were in the case of the Vietnam War, Canada is on the right side of history in relation to the war on Iraq.

Were also on the side of morality, justice and well-established, principled international law.

And were also on the side of innocent Iraqi men, women and children, not to mention the young British and American men and women who have been and will be killed both during the war, and for many years AFTER the war is over in the Balkans - like quagmire of ethnic war lords, bigotry and hatred and in the inevitable civil war that will result from the debris of Americas so-called and almost humorous, if it wasn't so deadly - coalition of the willing.

You know, bullied and bribed countries like Cameroon, the Marshall Island, Angola, Guinea, Ethiopia, El Salvador and Eritrea.

Several times in your inappropriate, offensive, threatening speech, Mr. Cellucci, you referred to Canadians as part of our family.

Mr. Cellucci, this might come as a surprise for you, but we are NOT part of your family and we have no desire to be part of your family. In a public opinion poll for Macleans magazine, Canadians were asked how they would describe our relations with the U.S. Only one in three said like family or best friends. 65% said cordial but distant or openly hostile. In another Macleans poll, 72% of Canadians said that they did not want to move closer to the U.S. And, more recently, only 8% said they thought Canada should become more like the U.SŠ Five times as many opted for less like the U.S.

Mr. Cellucci, some of these poll results were from polls taken soon after September 11th, when world-wide sympathy and support for your country was impressive and enthusiastic. Shouldnt you be asking yourself how you and Mr. Bush and Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney have managed to squander so much popular support from around the world in so short a time?

Mr. Cellucci, you say that the United States would be there for Canada and that Americans are disappointed and upset that Canada is not supporting the U.S. now.

Please tell me, exactly, where was the United Sates when from 1914 to 1917 tens of thousands of young Canadian men were left dead in the muddy trenches of Europe fighting off the Germans?

And, where was the United Sates from 1939 to late 1941, when Germany was overrunning Europe and the Luftwaffe and the rockets were bombing England and killing tens of thousands of men, women and children during the blitz and the Germans were beginning their roundup of millions of Jews who would be slaughtered in the Nazi concentration camps?

How is it that even though you knew exactly what was happening, your country sat back in the face of so much evil and agony, and waited until the Japanese attacked you before you finally, reluctantly, got involved in the war against the brutal Nazis?

Mr. Cellucci, Id like to hear your answer to that question.

And, by the way, thank you for being there for us when your country invaded us three times, the only country to ever invade Canada.

And, please dont ever lecture us again about going to war. We left 45,000 Canadians in European graves during our defence of liberty and democracy in the Second World War, while for much of the war your isolationists refused to get involved.

Mr. Cellucci, lets be clear. Canadians do not approve of your bad manners, your grossly undiplomatic behaviour, your lecturing us about defence spending, your warnings about the possible linkage of our opposition to war with your trade policies.

Best be careful. If you want to advocate linkage, Canadians may want to consider imposing a 27% tariff on our exports of oil, natural gas and electricity to the United States as a reasonable quid pro quo for your egregious softwood lumber duties. After all, you do believe in reciprocity, dont you?

And, dont for a moment consider it a meaningful warning for you to suggest that Mr. Bush might not want to come to Canada for his official state visit next month.

Canadians well remember the disastrous results for Canadian sovereignty when Ronald Reagan visited the obsequious Brian Mulroney in Quebec City in 1985.

Moreover, we all know why Mr. Bush was or is planning to come to Ottawa. There was only one reason. Not to patch up relations between the two countries, but rather to get your hands on even more of Canadas oil, natural gas and electricity. Best mind your manners, Mr. Cellucci, or the Canadian government might just possibly finally wake up to the fact that Mexico, your other NAFTA partner, firmly refused to sign the ridiculous NAFTA energy and resource-sharing agreement that some of our inept trade negotiators somehow managed to agree to.

Perhaps the Canadian government will realize that we haven't replaced our declining natural gas reserves since 1982. That our major Western sedimentary basin pools are depleting at the rate of 20% a year, that new replacement reserves are proving to be much more expensive to locate, are smaller in size and deplete more rapidly.

Mind your manners Mr. Cellucci, or perhaps Canada will have to walk away from the foolish NAFTA clauses that mean we must continue selling you 62% of our oil and natural gas, even if we Canadians begin to run short ourselves.

Mr. Cellucci, you were greatly upset that Cabinet Minister Herb Dhaliwal made totally inappropriate remarks by suggesting that George W. Bush was a failed statesman.

My, my, my. How terribly offensive can one be? How does failed statesman compare with Richard Nixon calling Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau an asshole, or John F. Kennedy calling Prime Minister John Diefenbaker a son of a bitch and a prick, or Lyndon Johnson grabbing Lester Pearson by the collar and shouting you pissed on my rug when Pearson suggested a pause in the U.S. bombing of North Vietnam and the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of civilians in the bombing.

It seems to me that being called a failed statesman is not only a mild criticism by comparison, but it is an accurate criticism.

George W. Bush is no moron. Few Canadians regard Americans as bastards. Most Canadians like most Americans.

But, not since the days of Richard Nixon and the Vietnam War has there been so much anti-Americanism in the world. The U.S. has antagonized not only the Muslim world, but long-time allies as well. It has walked away from, worked against or failed to support a long list of international agreements supported by Canada and the overwhelming majority of countries - the Land Mines Treaty, the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, the agreement to provide lower cost drugs to developing countries battling AIDS and other diseases, the International Criminal Court, the U.N. protocol on Developing, Producing or Stockpiling Biological or Toxic Weapons, the Small Arms Treaty, the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (supported by 191 countries, but not the U.S. or Somalia!).

While it is true that in recent months anti-Americanism in Canada has been increasing, and has increased since the invasion of Iraq and your ill-considered remarks, most of the antipathy is directed not at average Americans, but at George W. Bush and the arrogant, aggressive men and women who surround him as key advisors, the repugnant Donald Rumsfeld, the selfishly-motivated Dick Cheney, Karl Rowe and Paul Wolfowitz and other American hyper hawks who apparently place little value on human lives and have little appreciation for the value of patient international diplomacy.

Mr. Cellucci, Canadians are not impressed by your campaign of intimidation, by threats re the border, by proposed American boycotts of Canadian products.

Perhaps you would much better serve your country if you reminded your fellow citizens that millions of American jobs depend on your exports to Canada, that as every year goes by you will become increasingly dependent on imports of Canadian resources, that for 46 years in a row Canada has been the leading export market in the world for U.S. goods and services, that your exports to Canada every year are greater than your exports to all fifteen European Union countries combined, greater than your exports to Japan, the United Kingdom and Germany put together and more than to all of Latin America and the Caribbean countries combined.

Perhaps, instead of threatening us with economic retaliation for not taking part in your military aggression, you would be wise to remind Americans that by punishing Canadians you would be harming your best customer (not a very bright thing to do), you would be harming the profitable American companies that dominate so much of the Canadian economy, and you would be encouraging more anti-Americanism in Canada.

Mr. Cellucci, both you and your predecessor Gordon Giffin and Senator Hillary Clinton have expressed concerns about the Canada-U.S. border and, in Giffins words, skepticism about Canadas reliability on security.

Forget for a moment that Canada has already committed close to an extra $10 billion to security and defence spending since September 11th. Forget too, that Canada has had in place overseas document-screening for air travelers well before the United States even thought of such precautions. Forget that the September 11th terrorists were mostly from your Saudi Arabian friends, and were in the U.S. on visas. Forget that at the time of September 11th there were some six million illegals living in your country, but do consider the following.

There is not one single airport in Canada, not one single flight school that would have been dumb enough to agree to train people from the Middle East how to fly large passenger jet aircraft - people who had no interest in learning how to take off or how to land the aircraft - without quickly reporting the highly suspicious students to the RCMP and/or to CSIS.

Once again, Mr. Cellucci, look in the mirror instead of warning Canadians re security. Increasingly, your CIA, your FBI, your National Security Agency, all with huge multi-billion dollar budgets, make the term American intelligence seem like a laughable oxymoron.

And, by the way, have you thought about apologizing to Canadians for all the Canadians killed on September 11th and for your own irresponsible action in appointing your personal driver as head of security at Logan Airport in Boston, where two of the ill-fated aircraft and their hijackers took off from? Dont you think that you owe Canadians an apology?

Shouldnt it be Canadians who need to be concerned about the border, given your poor security record and all the violent nutcases your gun-ridden society breeds, your murderous snipers, your anthrax disseminators, your Timothy McVeighs, your Columbines, your paranoid militia, your aggressive history and behaviour?

Please dont threaten us about the border, because if you do, we might just decide to look more closely at your own records.

And, dont for a single moment believe that Tom dAquino, Allan Gotlieb and Brian Mulroney represent majority opinion in Canada. They never have, and they certainly dont now.

The best thing you and your fellow Americans can do in the best interests of future Canadian - American relations, is to listen carefully to every word Mr. dAquino, Mr. Gotlieb and Mr. Mulroney say, and then remember that Brian Mulroney left office as the least-popular prime minister in Canadian history, and that most Canadians do not subscribe to the craven policies of Gotlieb and dAquino.

Canada, you and Mr. Bush may find it hard to believe, is not yet an American colony, and we have no intention of becoming one. You would best serve your country by making that clear in Washington.
 

Andem

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Paul Cellucci is such a prick. Unfortunately, he represents the views of the white house and the pentagon. So sad they are childish as such.
 

czardogs

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I like Mr. Hurtig - a true Canadian patriot. Fellow Canadians get out and read as much as you can about the man and his issues.

the corporate elitists whose loyalties need to be questioned will and are trying to sideline such men as him, Paul Hellyer, similar parties like the Greens and all their supporters.

He makes a great case about why we should not back down to the new more aggressive neighbour we now face. they need us as much as we need them, maybe even more.
 

Andem

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czardogs said:
I like Mr. Hurtig - a true Canadian patriot. Fellow Canadians get out and read as much as you can about the man and his issues.

I agree with this statement. Any Canadian who stands up for their country and fights off the foreign elements wishing to conquer us (atleast economically) should be considered a Canadian patriot and a Canadian hero. Why can't there be more people who see this view? I usually spread my view among friends and colleagues and even people I don't know at times.

Unfortunately, back to the point, not enough people vote to get the liberals out of power.

**PS: I let my Canadian Alliance membership expire because of their stand on this war and their alignment to American Globalization and world dominance.
 

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cellucci is not a bad person<<< hes doing whats in best interest of his country>>>

Don't make me laugh harder! Celucci is doing what he does for the American corporations! Don't be funny!
 

Twila

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hes doing whats in best interest of his country

You may want to go back and read that letter. His veiled threats are NOT in the best interest of his country.
 

Andem

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I would say!! America is leading to it's own destruction. I believe one day corruption will have eaten and corroded away the american system along with extreme never-ending inflation. (IMHO).

But until then, they are just doing whats best for corporations and whats worst for the country and it's people.
 

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Andem said:
I would say!! America is leading to it's own destruction. I believe one day corruption will have eaten and corroded away the american system along with extreme never-ending inflation. (IMHO).

But until then, they are just doing whats best for corporations and whats worst for the country and it's people.

George bush has sold away americas future for profits for his business cronies and backers today.

The deficiet is the largest ever and they will pay for that tommorrow and everyday after. Interest is the poison that will finally kill America.

Word today from the Financial post is that in america some 350 of the top 500 companies have borrowed on their own employees pension funds and are now so indebted they may never recover.

Worse still for Canadians working for Air Canada - our big banks may screw them royally if they do indeed go right out bankrupt. They are demanding their money before the company can pay out its employees pensions. The CAW has promised hell and brimstone but its looking like they would lose that battle.
Damn banks - a billion a year profit is never enough!
 

Cyberm4n

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USA IS A MESS! Its true! Get them off the face of this planet earth,,, always making trouble worldwide for people of all nationalities and age.... Greed greed greed, corporate assholes and more!!!
 

Andem

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czardogs said:
Andem said:
I would say!! America is leading to it's own destruction. I believe one day corruption will have eaten and corroded away the american system along with extreme never-ending inflation. (IMHO).

But until then, they are just doing whats best for corporations and whats worst for the country and it's people.

George bush has sold away americas future for profits for his business cronies and backers today.

The deficiet is the largest ever and they will pay for that tommorrow and everyday after. Interest is the poison that will finally kill America.

Word today from the Financial post is that in america some 350 of the top 500 companies have borrowed on their own employees pension funds and are now so indebted they may never recover.

Worse still for Canadians working for Air Canada - our big banks may screw them royally if they do indeed go right out bankrupt. They are demanding their money before the company can pay out its employees pensions. The CAW has promised hell and brimstone but its looking like they would lose that battle.
Damn banks - a billion a year profit is never enough!

Well.. for the Americans, I think they knew that when they voted in (but thats still a big question mark ?) the republicans. They've never really been the most friendly group of people... More like nazis.
 

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Calling them nazis is a bit strong, as they have yet to slaughter a million Jews.

I would however, agree that Paul Celluci is a douchebag, and that he's in it to aid as best he can the American corporations.

Canada is getting pushed around by its membership in the WTO and NAFTA, and unfortunately, unless our government steps up to the plate, we will be continually abused by the larger world powers.
 

mrmom2

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Who the f..k are we supposed to vote for .Harpers a sellout douche bag .Martin sold out and Jack of the NDP dosn't know his ass from a hole in the ground
 

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Andem said:
I agree with this statement. Any Canadian who stands up for their country and fights off the foreign elements wishing to conquer us (atleast economically) should be considered a Canadian patriot and a Canadian hero.

Good day Andem. What about being conquered through immigration? And if someone stands up to defend Canada through an anti-immigration stance is this honorable?

Andem said:
**PS: I let my Canadian Alliance membership expire because of their stand on this war and their alignment to American Globalization and world dominance.

If you want the liebrals out, who else is there to vote for other than the CA?


"alignment to American Globalization and world dominance"

Nature hates a vacuum and there will always be a dominate force in this world, I would rather see the vacuum of power filled by Americans rather than say, the Russians or the Chinese. Remember how it was when the Russians tried global domination, what a "blast" that was.


Have a good day all.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Mel Hurtig to Paul Ce

I think you're misjudging Jack, mrmom. He wasn't my first choice for leader, and I'd still prefer to see Bill in the job, but Jack hasn't done that badly.

Martin hasn't sold out at all...he was always that way. His influence as Finance Minister was reportedly what kept us in NAFTA when the Chretienites wanted to pull us out. There's also a fair bit of evidence that Martin wanted to go into Iraq. He obviously wanted to join missile defence. He is, basically, Brian Mulroney.

Harper also isn't a sellout. All reports show him being twisted and wrong since birth. Even Preston Manning called him a quitter. Harper's main long-time advisor is a Republican from the US, with all the worst things that implies.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Mel Hurtig to Paul Ce

I respected Preston Manning. I rarely, if ever, agreed with him, but he was fairly honest and was willing to stand up for his beliefs instead of trying to hide behind technicalities and half-truths.