Maritimes Future after Quebec Separation

[DasFX]

According to the 1980 referendum and 1995 referendum, it isn't the majority in Quebec either.

40-50-...

Am I the only one realizing that our world in general has changed A LOT since 1995?

Really? I thought the whole problem was there hadn't been any changes.

Polls indicate that the separation option's popularity has varied greatly in the past 10 years. It seems to follow an emotive response to issues in Ottawa. When things like this scandal come up, the support increases, but when things are normal, the option is not as popular.

It seems that the vote for separation can only be successful if the referendum is on the cusp of some scandal in Ottawa. Even then the support is not overwhelming, like now where amidst Gomrey the support is only 54% and then only 40% would vote for true independence.

I don't consider Sovereignty association separation; it is simply a restructured decentralized version of Canada that other provinces want anyhow.

 

[Never Give Up]

They are also quite clear on the self-determination of aboriginal peoples, who are likely to want to remain within Canada because that's who they've signed treaties with. those aboriginal peoples have valid claims to much of the territory where your energy comes from, btw.

At the last referendum the northern aboriginal's said if Quebec separated then they would remain in Canada. Can Quebec refuse to allow to remain in Canada? After all if separation is ok for Quebec, then it should be ok for First Nations.

I'd still prefer Quebec say though. I hate family break ups.

 

[Jo Canadian]

The Maritimes should consider joining the new country of Quebec. There is enough French people there. Those in the Maritimes, who don't like Quebec, can find all sorts of places in NA to move too.

:? How would these people move? Will anyone be paying their way? Remember wages/jobs suck here so move-money is not very realistic.

I hope it never does come to separation though. If it does, Canada could form something akin to the EU with a bunch of closley allied states/countries shareing certian qualities but remaining distinct.

:lol: Perhaps by then, I shall be living in the Republic of Green Gables.

 

[jackd]

DasFX:

Alaska is very valuable to America, both in defense and energy reserves

So are the Maritime/Atlantic provinces for Canada.
For your info, Halifax (Sherwater) is one of the largest military air base in Canada. Halifax harbour is also the home port of most of the "Canadian war ships" on the east coast.
As far as energy reserves are concerned, NS and NFLD have the largest energy reserves (oil) outside Alberta.
So don't discount the Atlantic/maritime region. They represent a lot for Canada.

 

[DasFX]

DasFX:

Alaska is very valuable to America, both in defense and energy reserves

So are the Maritime/Atlantic provinces for Canada.
For your info, Halifax (Sherwater) is one of the largest military air base in Canada. Halifax harbour is also the home port of most of the "Canadian war ships" on the east coast.
As far as energy reserves are concerned, NS and NFLD have the largest energy reserves (oil) outside Alberta.
So don't discount the Atlantic/maritime region. They represent a lot for Canada.

I never said the Maritimes weren't valuable. In terms of military, I know what CFB Sherwater is one of the largest air bases. However, with Quebec gone and the focus of Canada would shift towards the Pacific. I think Canada would manage without a Atlantic port. We'd still have two oceans. Besides militarily the rest of Canada would have Quebec as a buffer should a military threat reach the East Coast.

In terms of oil, it is a non-renewable resources and the Grand Banks doesn't have that much anyhow. First fish, now oil, what will Atlantic Canada rely on next?

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Maritimes Future afte

I wonder if the separation of Quebec, whether the Atlantic provinces remained within Canada or not, would increase traffic in St. Lawrence Seaway and Great Lakes. My understanding is (and I know SFA about those big ocean-going boats) that would require some major upgrades to the seaway.

 

[Jay]

:? How would these people move? Will anyone be paying their way? Remember wages/jobs suck here so move-money is not very realistic.

I'm not going to pay their way. I guess they will have to stay where they are, and live with it.

 

[jackd]

RevBlair:
I don't see how or why traffic in St. Lawrence Seaway and Great Lakes would be influenced by Quebec separation. VLCS (very large cargo ships) can not go through the seaway because of their size. The port of Montreal (the No.1 Canadian container port) is used as a transhipment point where containers and merchandises are unloaded and re-loaded on smaller ships (Lakers)
Half of the traffic through the seaway is for the benefits and done by Americans as a link to the great lakes.
Most of central Canada and central U.S. depend on the seaway for their imports/exports as it is far cheaper than using trucks or rail.

 

[jamie]

I still don't get why Canada is just going to say, 'oh you want to leave, well...' and there goes a huge portion of the country. what the heck?? I'd like for them to remain part of Canada, but whatever happens- I truly hope the Maritimes and all the rest of Atlantic Canada don't go to Quebec.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RevBlair:
I don't see how or why traffic in St. Lawrence Seaway and Great Lakes would be influenced by Quebec separation. VLCS (very large cargo ships) can not go through the seaway because of their size. The port of Montreal (the No.1 Canadian container port) is used as a transhipment point where containers and merchandises are unloaded and re-loaded on smaller ships (Lakers)
Half of the traffic through the seaway is for the benefits and done by Americans as a link to the great lakes.
Most of central Canada and central U.S. depend on the seaway for their imports/exports as it is far cheaper than using trucks or rail.

That's part of the reason I said that I didn't know much about really big boats.

Would that traffic just switch to Halifax though? Would that cause shippers to use the seaway more, since boats were going that way anyway?

I still don't get why Canada is just going to say, 'oh you want to leave, well...' and there goes a huge portion of the country. what the heck?

What else can we do, chain 'em to the stove? If they want to go they will go. It isn't worth shooting people over...it isn't like they can go far.

 

[jamie]

Let em leave Canada, fine. Here's an idea...Let them actually leave Canada. :idea:
No blood has to be shed, but Canada doesn't have to sign over their land. The choice would then be left to Quebec...

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Maritimes Future afte

Actually, according to international law we do have to sign over the land. There is a question as to how much because of native issues and Labrador, but it isn't really Canada's decision.

 

[Jo Canadian]

Anyone smell a little Manifest Destiny here?

REMEMBER THAT WHAT WE CALL AMERICA IS ACCTUALLY "THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" AND AMERICA HERE REFERS TO THE CONTINENT AND NOT THE COUNRTY.

So we should call all of the countries in Africa, Africa. What about LA, it's not part of the North american continent it's part of the Pacific continental shelf, perhaps it could join the countries that share that plate eh? If YOUR country resides on a continent that happens to share the same name as where you life why should everybody join you? What about Central America and South America? They are also considered part of the Americas you'd solve your immigration problem quickly if you made them join you.

THEY WILL ENJOY BEING IN A UNION WITH THE MOST POWERFUL NATION EVER TO BE KNOWN. [FROM A U.S. CITIZEN IN NEW YORK]

1000 years from now who's to say another country would have it's turn. I'm sure people said the exact same thing you did when Rome existed, Egypt, then the Ottoman empire, the British Empire, The Chineese Empire, and perhaps even the Myans, right now you've just had your turn. The all mighty powerful thing is no better than the perverbial chest-thumping a territorial simian would do.

 

[ahmedtmtali]

you canadians are still consumed with nationalism. there is no nationalism in america, just economy. canada didn't become like usa not becuase canadians are less smart. it is simply out of your hands. usa has 300 milion people, diverse, 50 states, has alsmost all climates on earth, hundreds of rivers, tons of minerals, oil and location. people move to where they can become better and that's what attracted millions of emigrants to america and that's what made it better. and i also didn't say that america will be like this forever, nobody did.

what i am saying is that canada and usa are the best friends on earth, we have a lot in common. we speak the same language and we live the same. and we are both originally english. if the "rebuplic of canada" will be formed, it is better for you and us to be one big country with 75 states. imagine a country with almost 350 milion stretching from the north pole to the mexican gulf. we will be a huge comtinental country where all can enjoy freedom, stability, and wealth. if canada became a part of usa, canadians and americans will scramble and in 50 years no one will say i came from canada or i came from america. one day a canadian will be the president of the united states. we all going to be from north america.

i really enjoy talking to you body, keep it going.

 

[ahmedtmtali]

RE: Maritimes Future afte

correction:

when i meant "originally english", i didn't mean from english descent, i meant english system.
america is 25% germans, 25% british, 16% irish, 13% blacks, 6% hispanic, and the rest from italy, france, russia, asians, middle easterns, native indians, east indians.

Your post was deleted and posted in the moderator fourm for the administator to view. Goading is not acceptable, find another way to express your opinions.

 

[missile]

'There's no nationalism in the USA"...I can't believe you said that.That's like saying you'll still respect me in the morning.

 

[ahmedtmtali]

RE: Maritimes Future afte

if americans think like you, we would have been 50 independent nations. it is common good that makes us together. and from it we can develope nationalism as a final touch.

 

[chipy boy]

:twisted: my name is tyler and i am at school working on a project on quebec separation and came across this site by accident and i am glad i did because now i can hear what people say about quebec seperation. i just hope idiot red neck bush doesent blow them to kingdom come , well boo hoo, who cares about quebec if they leave this great country and starts their own little country. :!: :!: :twisted: please write back... by :tyler 8)

 

[Jay]

Welcome Tyler.

 

[George_Wilson]

"What else can we do, chain 'em to the stove? If they want to go they will go. It isn't worth shooting people over...it isn't like they can go far."

This is a typically Canadian point of view. I have long believed that after two referendums, and a third on the horizon, that it is now time for Canada to consider military options.

The Civil War settled once and for all the question of slavery in the USA, The Revolutionary War also settled once and for all the question of the USAs position in the British Empire.

A Canada vs Quebec war would certainly settle the question of Quebec's position within Canada. If Quebec wins a war of independence as the Americans did, then they can leave and have their glorious French utopia.

If they lose the war, the question will also be settled and they will be a part of Canada, period end of story.

They want to have a country just by marking an "X" on a ballot? Way to easy, if they want out they'll have to fight their way out. When Quebec chose of it's own free will to join Canada in 1867 they gave up their right to be a separate country. Now if they want it back they'll have to fight for it.

Many will argue that Canada can do this break-up peacefully, and that's a pie in the sky option. We are assuming that just because we are Canadian we'll do it right, and only those third and second world countries have civil wars. This simply can not be guaranteed.

Quebec may very well end up with a terrorist group of English Canadians after a yes vote in a referendum. People opposed to an independent Quebec and loyal to Canada who will see the vote as a call to arms.

I have no problem supporting the rolling in of the tanks to Quebec, arrest the separatist leaders as traitors, put them on trial and then shoot them all. We did it to Louis Riel, we can do it again.

George.