March For Life

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http://marchforlife.org/mfl-2017/


Women are marching today in a counter movement to last week's protest march.
I'm not sure just now what point either side is trying to make. Are the women of last week afraid legal abortion will be outlawed? Are the women today wanting abortion outlawed completely?
As far as I can tell the only change actually taking place is the funding of abortion in foreign countries banned.


The abortion argument will never end. What is always comes down to is when human life begins. People will never agree on that. It's basically a religious belief. For that reason, I don't believe government should ever rule it as a crime. Passing a law sends the message, 'you have to believe as I believe'.


I agree with the right to march against or for a cause. But in this case I don't agree with either side. I think abortion should be a personal choice but I don't think it should be publicly funded in any case. If government has to play a part in women's reproductive issues I would rather see them publicly fund birth control.
 
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I'm in complete support of the March for Life.

The fact that VP Mike Pence spoke at the rally made the mainstream media give it some air time instead of completely ignoring it as usual, in stark contrast to the the blanket coverage given the feminist March for Death last week.

Pence spoke quite eloquently of the social and moral consequences of legitimizing the murder of the most vulnerable and voiceless in our society, the unborn. And the fallacious concept of 'freedom' absent all responsibility that is used to justify it.

Trump will nominate a Pro Life Judge to the USSC in the coming week, which will be violently opposed by the pro abortion coalitions, protecting the right of a 'mother' to tear her infant limb from limb in the womb. He's unlikely to do anything more important in his term.
 
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coldstream said:
I'm in complete support of the March for Life.

The fact that VP Mike Pence spoke at the rally made the mainstream media give it some air time instead of completely ignoring it as usual, in stark contrast to the the blanket coverage given the feminist March for Death last week.

Pence spoke quite eloquently of the social and moral consequences of legitimizing the murder of the most vulnerable and voiceless in our society, the unborn. And the fallacious concept of 'freedom' absent all responsibility that is used to justify it.

Trump will nominate a Pro Life Judge to the USSC in the coming week, which will be violently opposed by the pro abortion coalitions, protecting the right of a 'mother' to tear her infant limb from limb in the womb. He's unlikely to do anything more important in his term.
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I heard Pence's speech. I applaud him for that and I think government officials should address every protest march whether they agree with the cause or not but to hear the protester's concerns.


I see you are one who believes human life begins at conception. I respect your belief. But I don't believe that and so which of us has a right to legislate our beliefs ? I don't believe either of us has that right. You have a right to not have or support abortion. I have a right to have or support if I choose.
Why would you disagree with that?
 
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People aren't paying attention to this because most of us support abortion.

And it doesn't matter if a fetus is a person.
 
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I have no issue with either march. They both should be reported equally. This should also include accurate head counts on number of people present. Along with any crimes or damage caused by the protest/riot.
 
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mentalfloss said:
People aren't paying attention to this because most of us support abortion.

And it doesn't matter if a fetus is a person.
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I can understand how it would matter to the person who believes it is a human being. If I believed that I would oppose abortion too but I wouldn't try to prevent it for those who believe differently.
Respect for other people's rights is a must in a civilized society and we're fast losing that.
 
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davesmom said:
I heard Pence's speech. I applaud him for that and I think government officials should address every protest march whether they agree with the cause or not but to hear the protester's concerns.


I see you are one who believes human life begins at conception. I respect your belief. But I don't believe that and so which of us has a right to legislate our beliefs ? I don't believe either of us has that right. You have a right to not have or support abortion. I have a right to have or support if I choose.
Why would you disagree with that?
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I disagree that one has the 'right' to arbitrarily deny rights of another. In this case a defenseless unborn human being. All freedom imposes a commensurate responsibility to respect the freedom of others.. in this case that of the right to life for an infant.

The concept that life begins at birth rather than conception, is one that began in the modern age. The development of fetus begins with the first cell division. The entire human potential is contained in that original cell. Do you honestly contend that is not 'life'. That it is EXCLUDED from Jefferson's seminal statement..

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

If its not at Conception, then when exactly does your concept of Life begin, because the fetus senses and faculties progress relentlessly to the point where it can feel pain and survive outside the womb well before the period of normal gestation.

The feminists mantra is filled with the most facile sophistry of 'rights and freedoms' intended to obfuscate the brutal reality of abortion. One of those realities is in the devastating long term effects on the physical and psychological health of the mother.

As for legislating beliefs, you can't find a more blanket legitimization, in fact institutionalization, of murder than exists in the U.S. or Canada now as that of abortion legislation or the lack thereof. It is utterly corrosive to any life affirming democracy.

It is inevitably forms a predatory agenda that moves relentlessly against all 'inconvenient' or 'expensive' human life.. the infirm, disabled, aged, ill, unwanted... as we have seen over the last 40 years.
 
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davesmom said:
http://marchforlife.org/mfl-2017/


Women are marching today in a counter movement to last week's protest march.
I'm not sure just now what point either side is trying to make. Are the women of last week afraid legal abortion will be outlawed? Are the women today wanting abortion outlawed completely?
As far as I can tell the only change actually taking place is the funding of abortion in foreign countries banned.


The abortion argument will never end. What is always comes down to is when human life begins. People will never agree on that. It's basically a religious belief. For that reason, I don't believe government should ever rule it as a crime. Passing a law sends the message, 'you have to believe as I believe'.


I agree with the right to march against or for a cause. But in this case I don't agree with either side. I think abortion should be a personal choice but I don't think it should be publicly funded in any case. If government has to play a part in women's reproductive issues I would rather see them publicly fund birth control.
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Seventy five thumbs up for that one. It makes perfect sense (and you know I don't agree with you easily, LOL).

coldstream said:
I disagree that one has the 'right' to arbitrarily deny rights of another. In this case a defenseless unborn human being.
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An unporn person cannot have rights. Under your ideas, men and women would not be allowed to use contraception or be sterilized, because there would be countless unborn humans that were denied life.
 
davesmom

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coldstream said:
I disagree that one has the 'right' to arbitrarily deny rights of another. In this case a defenseless unborn human being. All freedom imposes a commensurate responsibility to respect the freedom of others.. in this case that of the right to life for an infant.

The concept that life begins at birth rather than conception, is one that began in the modern age. The development of fetus begins with the first cell division. The entire human potential is contained in that original cell. Do you honestly contend that is not 'life'. That it is EXCLUDED from Jefferson's seminal statement..

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

If its not at Conception, then when exactly does your concept of Life begin, because the fetus senses and faculties progress relentlessly to the point where it can feel pain and survive outside the womb well before the period of normal gestation.

The feminists mantra is filled with the most facile sophistry of 'rights and freedoms' intended to obfuscate the brutal reality of abortion. One of those realities is in the devastating long term effects on the physical and psychological health of the mother.

As for legislating beliefs, you can't find a more blanket legitimization, in fact institutionalization, of murder than exists in the U.S. or Canada now as that of abortion legislation or the lack thereof. It is utterly corrosive to any life affirming democracy.

It is inevitably forms a predatory agenda that moves relentlessly against all 'inconvenient' or 'expensive' human life.. the infirm, disabled, aged, ill, unwanted... as we have seen over the last 40 years.
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I am a nurse so I know a little bit about how a baby develops physically. But the question of when it become a 'human' life is a different thing. You ask when it becomes a life? That is a personal opinion and therein lies the controversy.
In my opinion a newborn becomes human when it receives its first breath of life. Until then it is a mass of cells.
I know the arguments, it has a heartbeat, it moves, it can feel.
But so do animals and plants. Yet they are not human beings and we have no compunction about removing them when we feel it is necessary.
I'm not so sure about 'teeling'. All things recoil by instinct when touched or threatened. Even a worm being used as bait. It doesn't prove it is 'human'.
I also believe in the Creation and when God made man he breathed the breath of life into him and that's when he became alive. And it has been my experience from giving birth and attending births that the moment when a newborn takes its first breath a Holy Presence can be felt.
Without that breath of life the newborn is the same as a corpse. it has the form of a person but it is not a person.
You asked, I explained. I hope that is sufficient.
So, as I said, I respect other beliefs by that is my belief and I humbly ask that my respect to be reciprocated.
As for the infirm, ill, disabled and elderly, as long as they live and breathe, I believe they should be cared for and nurtured as much as possible. I disagree strongly with the assisted suicide laws.
 
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Each side has the absolute right to march peacefully. The only time I support the use of abortion is when it is a case of conception being the result of rape or incest especially if the victim under age. Abortion should never been used a form of birth control.
 
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