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This was posted last night, prolly in the wrong place

I am to try to make this sound sensible .....
There are 2 forces in this world...........Fear/evil/ect and Love/goodness/ect and that breaks down even further to just love because even fear comes from Love (a parent fears for a child out of Love) Do it is truly ALL Love.........The silence in Tao...........have fun with that........


Ive come across this concept in many theologies........

Love overcomes fear
Buddha said that meditation on love is the best armour. Here is a meditation we can do on love, taken from Transform Your Life:
We should begin our meditation by focusing on our family and friends, reflecting that for as long as they remain in samsara they will never know true happiness, and that even the limited happiness they presently experience will soon be taken away from them. Then we extend this feeling of wishing love to include all living beings, thinking, "How wonderful it would be if all living beings experienced the pure happiness of liberation!" We mix our mind with this feeling of wishing love for as long as possible.
Out of meditation, whenever we see or remember any living being, human or animal, we mentally pray: "May they be happy all the time. May they attain the happiness of enlightenment." By constantly thinking in this way, we can maintain wishing love day and night, even during sleep.
Meditation on love is very powerful. Even if our concentration is not very strong we accumulate a vast amount of merit. By meditating on love we create the cause to be reborn as a human or a god, to have a beautiful body in the future, and to be loved and respected by many people. Love is the great protector, protecting us from anger and jealousy, and from harm inflicted by spirits. When Buddha Shakyamuni was meditating under the Bodhi Tree, he was attacked by all the terrifying demons of this world, but his love transformed their weapons into a rain of flowers. Ultimately our love will become the universal love of a Buddha, which actually has the power to bestow happiness on all living beings.

http://www.dealingwithfear.org/love-overcomes-fear.htm











The outer circle represents "everything", while the black and white shapes within the circle represent the interaction of two energies, called "yin" (black) and "yang" (white), which cause everything to happen.
They are not completely black or white, just as things in life are not completely black or white, and they cannot exist without each other.
While "yin" would be dark, passive, downward, cold, contracting, and weak, "yang" would be bright, active, upward, hot, expanding, and strong.

Again Im not all that scholarly but when the same theme runs my way I try to pay attention. Can any one help me with someplace to start?
 
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it's an interesting concept.
the above statements kind of mash it up a bit though.... there's definately more than two forces in the world, and what exactly ARE yin and yang? I think the yin/yang diagram is very educational, the black cannot exist without the white, and vice versa, each of them contains a little of the other, and they together make a beautiful whole. this is an important philosophical concept

I wonder though if love and hate are in fact not opposites but just separate emotions, which can each exist in a continuum. this would explain why you can love and hate at the same time for instance.

Something I read about love that you may find interesting is that it's NOT passive, hence not something you do passionately. You actively love someone.
 

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The first time I remember coming across the concept was in a series of book writen by Neale Donald Walsch. After reading it it made sense to me, That like the symbol Love and Fear are co-creators. Two parts to the one greater sorce. he used the example of the child touching the flame. As a parent we are afraid to allow our children to touch a flame. Therefore Fear IS Love.
 

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I think the symbol shows that nothing can be totally Yin or totally Yang in nature. Nothing can be totally bad or totally perfect, but you can try to make your Yang even brighter, whereas your Yin would become a light shadow.
 

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Sаbine;768352 said:
I think the symbol shows that nothing can be totally Yin or totally Yang in nature. Nothing can be totally bad or totally perfect, but you can try to make your Yang even brighter, whereas your Yin would become a light shadow.


I like that. I'll have to think on that a bit :)

Namaste
 

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he used the example of the child touching the flame. As a parent we are afraid to allow our children to touch a flame. Therefore Fear IS Love.

I can't help but think that, without the fear of losing someone, we wouldn't love them quite the same. Would love be so intense if we had forever to spend with someone, with no chance of them moving on without us? No chance of them dying?
 

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I can't help but think that, without the fear of losing someone, we wouldn't love them quite the same. Would love be so intense if we had forever to spend with someone, with no chance of them moving on without us? No chance of them dying?


like Herman said Fear is quite the motivator. My "Fear factor" on loosing people in my life is painfully high always has been a paranoia for me. But if Sabine's theory is right then the more fear the greater its grasp on our ENTIRE life.
 

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fear can be a motivator for all sorts of actions and emotions. hatred, uncertainty, panic etc etc

Interesting you said that. I went to a parenting seminar last week and the facilitator went into his own theory on this. Generally when we are angry, hateful, frustrated, anxious, stressed etc, it's because we are afraid of something. Therefore hate isn't the polar opposite of love, it's a bi-product of something we fear. Fear is at the other end of the continuum.

There's a lot of truth to that. When we are angry, stressed etc we can often find something we fear as the root cause.
 

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like Herman said Fear is quite the motivator. My "Fear factor" on loosing people in my life is painfully high always has been a paranoia for me. But if Sabine's theory is right then the more fear the greater its grasp on our ENTIRE life.
The more fear, the less love; the more love, the less fear. The more you free yourself from the fear, the more love you can fill your heart with. :) :) :) :)
 

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The Yin & Yang symbol characterizes the idea that all things are contained in the Tao. Love hate, anger,fear,envy....everything.....
 

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Under heaven all can see beauty as beauty only because there is ugliness.

All can know good as good only because there is evil.

Therefore having and not having arise together.

Difficult and easy compliment each other.

Long and short contrast each other;

High and low rest upon each other;

Voice and sound harmonize each other;

Front and back follow one another.

Therefore the sage goes about doing nothing, teaching no-talking.

The tenthousand things rise and fall without cease,

Creating,yet not possessing,

Working, yet not taking credit.

Work is done, then forgotten.

Therefore it lasts forever.

Chapter Two Tao Te Ching

Translation by Gia-Fu Feng and Jane English
 

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Tao isn't a theology. A theology, perhaps in the sense of the alchemy practices I've mentioned to you before,... one can employ the notion of theology to to that discipline as overarching concept, but the Tao simply is.

Taoists reject the idea that there's a separation between humankind...and everything else for that matter...and the nature of "virtue" that in many respects corresponds to the "divine"..."gods word" "logos" etc.

Christianity separates humankind from "god" and the task put to adherents is to return...to god...to acknowledge the extra-phenominal "nature" of a supreme omnipotent ominpresent 'entity'....

How can one be separate from anything that exists? Existence is the opportunity to practice awareness...

Teilhard de Chardin put it this way..."We aren't human creatures having a spiritual experience...we're spiritual beings having a human experience...."
 
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Tao isn't a theology. A theology, perhaps in the sense of the alchemy practices I've mentioned to you before,... one can employ the notion of theology to to that discipline as overarching concept, but the Tao simply is.

Taoists reject the idea that there's a separation between humankind...and everything else for that matter...and the nature of "virtue" that in many respects corresponds to the "divine"..."gods word" "logos" etc.

Christianity separates humankind from "god" and the task put to adherents is to return...to god...to acknowledge the extra-phenominal "nature" of a supreme omnipotent ominpresent 'entity'....

How can one be separate from anything that exists? Existence is the opportunity to practice awareness...

Tielhard de Chardin put it this way..."We aren't human creatures having a spiritual experience...we're spiritual beings having a human experience...."


See I dont talk well :)

You have eloquantly made my point. Its all one.......Love/ Fear its all Love. The same experience. There is no seperation between anything or anyone because we all connect. When I actually "got" that concept in my heart I was elated. The thing is we go in and out of forgetfullness lol.
 

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Anyone remember that Bene Gesserit mantra about fear from the original Dune novel? Been years since I read it so I don't remember it all offhand, but it begins something like "I will not fear. Fear is the mind killer, the little death..." It really caught my imagination at the time, and seemed deeply true to me. It still does. Fear can be paralyzing, both physically and mentally.

I was strongly struck by karrie's observation here too, about losing someone we love. I've often wondered how much of what drives us comes from our awareness of mortality, our own and of those we love. I have no good answer for that, though lots of writers have speculated on how different things would if mortality wasn't an issue for us. Certainly a lot of religious dogma and speculation is driven by our awareness of our mortality and our attempts to make sense of it, or deny it in some way. I also think that remark of Tielhard de Chardin's that MikeyDB quoted is profoundly true. I think we're all deeply spiritual, in the sense that our emotional connections to people and nature (that's the love part) are far more important to our mental health than all the material things so many of us seem determined to collect mountains of. As an atheist my view of human spirituality is likely to be quite different from most people's (because most people aren't atheists), but only an ignorant fool could deny it exists.

We're all searching for the numinous and transcendent, that need is built deeply into human nature. I can't pretend to understand why, but there's no denying it. I find it in two places: my connections to those I care most about, which I'm delighted to say now includes a few people I've met here (you know who you are), and the knowledge of the world around me that a lifetime in science has given me. I'm sure I don't have to explain the first to anyone who's ever loved anyone (and for anyone who hasn't, explanations are hopeless and all I can say is, aw jeez, ya poor bastard...), but the second might require some explanation.

Last summer I was at the family cabin at Wakaw Lake in central Saskatchewan. One clear moonless night one of my brothers and I took his 6" telescope out to a very dark place, 80 km away from the nearest urban lighting, to look at the night sky. I have seen with my own eyes galaxies far far away, great clouds of gas and dust where new stars are being born, supernova remnants... But the naked eye view is really what moved me. If you understand the structure of the galaxy and know what you're looking at, you can look at the Milky Way and visualize the great 30,000 light year curve of that arm of the galaxy winding in toward the centre in Sagittarius, where there's a great black hole. Anybody who can look at that without a sense of awe and wonder must be dead from the neck up.

Ach, I'm rambling a bit, it's late and I've had a long day and I'm not sure I'm making any sense. I just felt moved to share that.
 

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Anyone remember that Bene Gesserit mantra about fear from the original Dune novel? Been years since I read it so I don't remember it all offhand, but it begins something like "I will not fear. Fear is the mind killer, the little death..." It really caught my imagination at the time, and seemed deeply true to me. It still does. Fear can be paralyzing, both physically and mentally.

I was strongly struck by karrie's observation here too, about losing someone we love. I've often wondered how much of what drives us comes from our awareness of mortality, our own and of those we love. I have no good answer for that, though lots of writers have speculated on how different things would if mortality wasn't an issue for us. Certainly a lot of religious dogma and speculation is driven by our awareness of our mortality and our attempts to make sense of it, or deny it in some way. I also think that remark of Tielhard de Chardin's that MikeyDB quoted is profoundly true. I think we're all deeply spiritual, in the sense that our emotional connections to people and nature (that's the love part) are far more important to our mental health than all the material things so many of us seem determined to collect mountains of. As an atheist my view of human spirituality is likely to be quite different from most people's (because most people aren't atheists), but only an ignorant fool could deny it exists.

We're all searching for the numinous and transcendent, that need is built deeply into human nature. I can't pretend to understand why, but there's no denying it. I find it in two places: my connections to those I care most about, which I'm delighted to say now includes a few people I've met here (you know who you are), and the knowledge of the world around me that a lifetime in science has given me. I'm sure I don't have to explain the first to anyone who's ever loved anyone (and for anyone who hasn't, explanations are hopeless and all I can say is, aw jeez, ya poor bastard...), but the second might require some explanation.

Last summer I was at the family cabin at Wakaw Lake in central Saskatchewan. One clear moonless night one of my brothers and I took his 6" telescope out to a very dark place, 80 km away from the nearest urban lighting, to look at the night sky. I have seen with my own eyes galaxies far far away, great clouds of gas and dust where new stars are being born, supernova remnants... But the naked eye view is really what moved me. If you understand the structure of the galaxy and know what you're looking at, you can look at the Milky Way and visualize the great 30,000 light year curve of that arm of the galaxy winding in toward the centre in Sagittarius, where there's a great black hole. Anybody who can look at that without a sense of awe and wonder must be dead from the neck up.

Ach, I'm rambling a bit, it's late and I've had a long day and I'm not sure I'm making any sense. I just felt moved to share that.


Again more eloquence. I Love looking up and KNOWing that whatever energy that created those lights created me too. Im always blown away with love and reverence. Science is something Im just learning to appreciate. The string theory, quantum physics, the chaos or butterfly effect. Hermans taught me a bit about Phi..........Its ALL fantastic and it takes my breath away. I get the same feeling from all of that as I do from 1 passionate kiss. A childlike awe and wonderment in every leaf, every sunset.

Im not talking about god that term is irrevelent Im talking about ......i dont know the word. Is there a word?
 

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Very worthy thread Self....

You are venturing out of your comfort zone - it is good to see.

It beckons others too.

Fear often keeps us from expressing the gifts with which we are endowed.

You are slaying the dragons left and right....digging to the core and exposing your beautiful and shining mind within instead of accepting the lables pasted on you by others.
 

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Very worthy thread Self....

You are venturing out of your comfort zone - it is good to see.

It beckons others too.

Fear often keeps us from expressing the gifts with which we are endowed.

You are slaying the dragons left and right....digging to the core and exposing your beautiful and shining mind within instead of accepting the lables pasted on you by others.


Im not into labels as of late. Well maybe a few.

But before I read CWG I read Lyn Grabhorn (excuse me your life is waiting) and Dyer (sacred self) both books in retrospect had the same core message of "we are one" The universe connects and the one cohesive thout is Love.

It all sounds a bit aery faery BUT the more I read the more predomenent this idea was. Now Im dabbling in Tao and again the same idea. How can this one idea be in so many beliefs and noone have seen it before?