Love, death, and sorrow are all the unknowable

[china]

We know only fragmentarily this thing called life; we have never looked at sorrow, except through the screen of escapes; we have never seen the beauty, the immensity of death, and we know it only through fear and sadness. There can be understanding of life, and of the significance and beauty of death, only when the mind on the instant perceives “what is”.
Although we differentiate them, love, death, and sorrow are all the same; because, surely, love, death, and sorrow are the unknowable. The moment you know love, you have ceased to love. Love is beyond time; it has no beginning and no end, whereas knowledge has; and when you say, “I know what love is”, you don’t. You know only a sensation, a stimulus. You know the reaction to love, but that reaction is not love. In the same way, you don’t know what death is. You know only the reactions to death, and you will discover the full depth and significance of death only when the reactions have ceased.
Your point of view ...

 

[L Gilbert]

Death is just the end of your life. It's a part of it, just as life is a part of death.
Love is many things because there are many types. It includes devotion, attachment, etc. Love for sister & brother is different than love for parents. Love for the person you want to spend your life with is different than sibling or love of parents. Love for your pet is different yet again. Love for art or nature is another thqat's different. Love for money, a favorite car, your country, etc. There are many and once you start, it isn't easy to stop.
Same with sorrow; there are many types.
All of these feelings, however, stem from our brain, glands, etc. and their activities activities. We are bundles of electro-chemical energies.
To say love or sorrow is the same as death and then turn around and suggest that they have no end is just silly. Something cannot be the end and still be endless.

 

[china]

Hi LG
I understand what you are saying in the above post though I don't agree with you .
I think you have to "think it out " of what you are saying , perceive of "what is"
For example the "Death is just the end of your life" makes no sense ;Death is death and life is life .
You can't either make or stop life ;you can try to prevent it "to be" ( abortion) , but abortion kills flesh , not life .That brings a question ....what is life ?

 

[L Gilbert]

Sorry. I don't understand what you mean.
What I meant by "death is the end of your life" means just that. You are conceived, which means you start your life, you live your life, and then you die. Death is the end of your life. Your life has ceased, quit, ended, stopped, halted, etc.If there is anything after death, it is something different or it's a new life. And you can't have life without death; nor death without life.
BTW, people stop lives all the time. People start lives all the time.
Life is the condition of organisms that can grow, move, eat, sleep, etc. Death is the end of that.

 

[El Barto]

I think I may be just about one of very few that get and understand you China.
I seriously don't know what to add , because i think i get it.

 

[china]

L Gilbert

Sorry. I don't understand what you mean.
What I meant by "death is the end of your life" means just that. You are conceived, which means you start you life, you live your life, and then you die.

What I mean is that there is no beginning or end to life whether in flesh or outside of flesh .

 

[L Gilbert]

Step in front of a bus doing about 100 kmph and you'd find out for sure. Or at least we would. For you, I think, life would end. There is an end to any biological entity, sooner or later. If you are speaking of life as a concept rather than life as species, I agree with you.

 

[darkbeaver]

Life and death are aspects of the same thing, love. Love is everything, total harmony with the one, love is not of or for the rational mind, niether are life or death I guess.

 

[darkbeaver]

Step in front of a bus doing about 100 kmph and you'd find out for sure. Or at least we would. For you, I think, life would end. There is an end to any biological entity, sooner or later. If you are speaking of life as a concept rather than life as species, I agree with you.

Where does lester go when his flesh bag is reduced to little stew chunks by the bus? It's pretty hard for most people to really envision oblivion because we tend to cling to a frame of reference even while we try to project what the other side of this life might be.:lol:

 

[L Gilbert]

Where does lester go when his flesh bag is reduced to little stew chunks by the bus?

Well, besides the bits that cling to the bus .... I'll give you a hint; gravity sucks (that would be after the horizontal flight).

It's pretty hard for most people to really envision oblivion because we tend to cling to a frame of reference even while we try to project what the other side of this life might be.:lol:

Yeah. I had someone faint on me one time because I explained in great detail about our star, the distance between our star and the next one in our galaxy, then the number of stars in the galaxy, then the distance across our galaxy, and so forth. I got the idea of how to explain it after about my 3rd visit to the Whitelake Radio Observatory. lol

 

[darkbeaver]

I think the bus just propells you, (at 100kph) into the universal womb and out the cosmic vagina into the next life and if you pay attention you get to remember this life, totally. That's just a fond suspicion by the way. It sure is a big place, I would like to observe an observtory someday.

 

[L Gilbert]

lol I am aware of a few "suspicions". As romantic and alluring as some of them are, I can't see anything happening past the death of the cells in the brain.
One day, I would like to go to the Planetarium in Vancouver again. We were there a long time ago and I have forgotten how neat it was.

 

[talloola]

We experience love and sorrow without trying, or knowing how to do it, how
we deal with those feelings is another story, but the emotions are built in, and
we have no control over that, guess they are in the same department as fear
and anger and excitement and anticipation and energy and fatigue, some day
the medical community will explain it all, but at this point, it is a mystery.
Death is just something we like to put off as long as we can, we don't remember
being born and we won't remember the moment of death. Just like turning off
a light, poof.

 

[L Gilbert]

Actually, Tal, it isn't so mysterious:

The Physics and Chemistry of Love

 

[Said1]

Ha. Ha. I thought that said 'oxycontin' in the first line, had to double back. :lol:

 

[L Gilbert]

lol I suppose love can be painful. Scary.