Lifestyle Marriages

[tibear]

Reverend,

I concure with you that incestual relationships do have long-term problems and in very small communities this can be a problem.

However, in the larger context where most people live in communities with thousands of people, the problem of generational incest is virutally zero.

That being said, surely your not saying that a couple without any ancestrial incest should be prevented from getting married because of a .001% chance of their union starting up generational incest. If so should we go back to having blood tests before getting married just to make sure we aren't related?

What about two people with diseases such as asthma, diabetes, alcohol abuse, heart disease, large noses, bad eyesight, etc. The chances of their children having these problems is extremely high, does that mean that they should also be prevented from marriage?

Similarly, it doesn't matter that the disease diminishes over the generations. The matter at hand is that you have a person who's mother had MS and they have early symptoms of the disease. Should that person be prevented from getting married and having children? We know the chances of their offspring having the disease is very high compared to the incest children problems. We don't particularly care about the great-grandchildren of the person with MS, the issue is their children and the probability of children having the disease.

 

[tibear]

Reverend,

I concure with you that incestual relationships do have long-term problems and in very small communities this can be a problem.

However, in the larger context where most people live in communities with thousands of people, the problem of generational incest is virutally zero.

That being said, surely your not saying that a couple without any ancestrial incest should be prevented from getting married because of a .001% chance of their union starting up generational incest. If so should we go back to having blood tests before getting married just to make sure we aren't related?

What about two people with diseases such as asthma, diabetes, alcohol abuse, heart disease, large noses, bad eyesight, etc. The chances of their children having these problems is extremely high, does that mean that they should also be prevented from marriage?

Similarly, it doesn't matter that the disease diminishes over the generations. The matter at hand is that you have a person who's mother had MS and they have early symptoms of the disease. Should that person be prevented from getting married and having children? We know the chances of their offspring having the disease is very high compared to the incest children problems. We don't particularly care about the great-grandchildren of the person with MS, the issue is their children and the probability of children having the disease.

 

[tibear]

Reverend,

I concure with you that incestual relationships do have long-term problems and in very small communities this can be a problem.

However, in the larger context where most people live in communities with thousands of people, the problem of generational incest is virutally zero.

That being said, surely your not saying that a couple without any ancestrial incest should be prevented from getting married because of a .001% chance of their union starting up generational incest. If so should we go back to having blood tests before getting married just to make sure we aren't related?

What about two people with diseases such as asthma, diabetes, alcohol abuse, heart disease, large noses, bad eyesight, etc. The chances of their children having these problems is extremely high, does that mean that they should also be prevented from marriage?

Similarly, it doesn't matter that the disease diminishes over the generations. The matter at hand is that you have a person who's mother had MS and they have early symptoms of the disease. Should that person be prevented from getting married and having children? We know the chances of their offspring having the disease is very high compared to the incest children problems. We don't particularly care about the great-grandchildren of the person with MS, the issue is their children and the probability of children having the disease.

 

[Reverend Blair]

I concure with you that incestual relationships do have long-term problems and in very small communities this can be a problem.

However, in the larger context where most people live in communities with thousands of people, the problem of generational incest is virutally zero.

Only because it is not a societal or family norm. If it becomes the acceptable, then generational incest will become more of a problem.

That being said, surely your not saying that a couple without any ancestrial incest should be prevented from getting married because of a .001% chance of their union starting up generational incest. If so should we go back to having blood tests before getting married just to make sure we aren't related?

I'm not sure where you got the number, but I strongly suspect you made it up. I'm also not saying that they shouldn't be allowed to marry...just the opposite actually. I am saying that they should not be allowed to have children. If they want to adopt or us artifical insemination or surrogates I have no problem with that. It's purely a scientific matter.

Again, those problems lessen over generations. Incest, however, causes them to become more prevalent.

Similarly, it doesn't matter that the disease diminishes over the generations.

Yes it does.

 

[Reverend Blair]

I concure with you that incestual relationships do have long-term problems and in very small communities this can be a problem.

However, in the larger context where most people live in communities with thousands of people, the problem of generational incest is virutally zero.

Only because it is not a societal or family norm. If it becomes the acceptable, then generational incest will become more of a problem.

That being said, surely your not saying that a couple without any ancestrial incest should be prevented from getting married because of a .001% chance of their union starting up generational incest. If so should we go back to having blood tests before getting married just to make sure we aren't related?

I'm not sure where you got the number, but I strongly suspect you made it up. I'm also not saying that they shouldn't be allowed to marry...just the opposite actually. I am saying that they should not be allowed to have children. If they want to adopt or us artifical insemination or surrogates I have no problem with that. It's purely a scientific matter.

Again, those problems lessen over generations. Incest, however, causes them to become more prevalent.

Similarly, it doesn't matter that the disease diminishes over the generations.

Yes it does.

 

[Reverend Blair]

I concure with you that incestual relationships do have long-term problems and in very small communities this can be a problem.

However, in the larger context where most people live in communities with thousands of people, the problem of generational incest is virutally zero.

Only because it is not a societal or family norm. If it becomes the acceptable, then generational incest will become more of a problem.

That being said, surely your not saying that a couple without any ancestrial incest should be prevented from getting married because of a .001% chance of their union starting up generational incest. If so should we go back to having blood tests before getting married just to make sure we aren't related?

I'm not sure where you got the number, but I strongly suspect you made it up. I'm also not saying that they shouldn't be allowed to marry...just the opposite actually. I am saying that they should not be allowed to have children. If they want to adopt or us artifical insemination or surrogates I have no problem with that. It's purely a scientific matter.

Again, those problems lessen over generations. Incest, however, causes them to become more prevalent.

Similarly, it doesn't matter that the disease diminishes over the generations.

Yes it does.

 

[tibear]

Reverend,

Let me get this straight. If you were the Marriage God, you would let absolutely any group of consenting adults get married?

The only restriction is that some of them couldn't have children. Would it be restricted to incestual couples or would couples with severe diseases also be restricted from having children?? How are you going to ensure they don't have children, sterilize them?

I think it would be very difficult for you to convince anyone that you have the right to tell a couple that they can or cannot have children. It is far easier to allow or prevent them from getting legally married.

BTW, your right I just made up the number of .001% but I'm sure you'll agree with me that if two cousins in Toronto decide to get married that the chances of this starting a generational incest problem within the family is of very low probability.

 

[tibear]

Reverend,

Let me get this straight. If you were the Marriage God, you would let absolutely any group of consenting adults get married?

The only restriction is that some of them couldn't have children. Would it be restricted to incestual couples or would couples with severe diseases also be restricted from having children?? How are you going to ensure they don't have children, sterilize them?

I think it would be very difficult for you to convince anyone that you have the right to tell a couple that they can or cannot have children. It is far easier to allow or prevent them from getting legally married.

BTW, your right I just made up the number of .001% but I'm sure you'll agree with me that if two cousins in Toronto decide to get married that the chances of this starting a generational incest problem within the family is of very low probability.

 

[tibear]

Reverend,

Let me get this straight. If you were the Marriage God, you would let absolutely any group of consenting adults get married?

The only restriction is that some of them couldn't have children. Would it be restricted to incestual couples or would couples with severe diseases also be restricted from having children?? How are you going to ensure they don't have children, sterilize them?

I think it would be very difficult for you to convince anyone that you have the right to tell a couple that they can or cannot have children. It is far easier to allow or prevent them from getting legally married.

BTW, your right I just made up the number of .001% but I'm sure you'll agree with me that if two cousins in Toronto decide to get married that the chances of this starting a generational incest problem within the family is of very low probability.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Let me get this straight. If you were the Marriage God, you would let absolutely any group of consenting adults get married?

Yes. How people wish to hook up, and with who, is really none of our business.

The only restriction is that some of them couldn't have children. Would it be restricted to incestual couples or would couples with severe diseases also be restricted from having children?? How are you going to ensure they don't have children, sterilize them?

That would have to be judged based on science. Nobody would be permanently sterilized unless they chose to be though.

I think it would be very difficult for you to convince anyone that you have the right to tell a couple that they can or cannot have children. It is far easier to allow or prevent them from getting legally married.

If it's based on solid science, then it's doable.

BTW, your right I just made up the number of .001% but I'm sure you'll agree with me that if two cousins in Toronto decide to get married that the chances of this starting a generational incest problem within the family is of very low probability.

First cousins can legally marry and have children right now. Although it isn't common, families that do not discourage that kind of relationship tend to have a history of cousins marrying that does indeed span generations.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Let me get this straight. If you were the Marriage God, you would let absolutely any group of consenting adults get married?

Yes. How people wish to hook up, and with who, is really none of our business.

The only restriction is that some of them couldn't have children. Would it be restricted to incestual couples or would couples with severe diseases also be restricted from having children?? How are you going to ensure they don't have children, sterilize them?

That would have to be judged based on science. Nobody would be permanently sterilized unless they chose to be though.

I think it would be very difficult for you to convince anyone that you have the right to tell a couple that they can or cannot have children. It is far easier to allow or prevent them from getting legally married.

If it's based on solid science, then it's doable.

BTW, your right I just made up the number of .001% but I'm sure you'll agree with me that if two cousins in Toronto decide to get married that the chances of this starting a generational incest problem within the family is of very low probability.

First cousins can legally marry and have children right now. Although it isn't common, families that do not discourage that kind of relationship tend to have a history of cousins marrying that does indeed span generations.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Let me get this straight. If you were the Marriage God, you would let absolutely any group of consenting adults get married?

Yes. How people wish to hook up, and with who, is really none of our business.

The only restriction is that some of them couldn't have children. Would it be restricted to incestual couples or would couples with severe diseases also be restricted from having children?? How are you going to ensure they don't have children, sterilize them?

That would have to be judged based on science. Nobody would be permanently sterilized unless they chose to be though.

I think it would be very difficult for you to convince anyone that you have the right to tell a couple that they can or cannot have children. It is far easier to allow or prevent them from getting legally married.

If it's based on solid science, then it's doable.

BTW, your right I just made up the number of .001% but I'm sure you'll agree with me that if two cousins in Toronto decide to get married that the chances of this starting a generational incest problem within the family is of very low probability.

First cousins can legally marry and have children right now. Although it isn't common, families that do not discourage that kind of relationship tend to have a history of cousins marrying that does indeed span generations.

 

[tibear]

RB,

It's a scientific fact that some diseases have a 50% probability of being passed to the offspring. If this isn't a high enough probability I don't know what is.

So if you were the Marriage God, you would not allow these people to get married and have children??? Of course, this wouldn't stop the people from living as man and wife and having children but at least you would prevent them from marrying.

 

[tibear]

RB,

It's a scientific fact that some diseases have a 50% probability of being passed to the offspring. If this isn't a high enough probability I don't know what is.

So if you were the Marriage God, you would not allow these people to get married and have children??? Of course, this wouldn't stop the people from living as man and wife and having children but at least you would prevent them from marrying.

 

[tibear]

RB,

It's a scientific fact that some diseases have a 50% probability of being passed to the offspring. If this isn't a high enough probability I don't know what is.

So if you were the Marriage God, you would not allow these people to get married and have children??? Of course, this wouldn't stop the people from living as man and wife and having children but at least you would prevent them from marrying.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Those people are discouraged from having children by the medical establishment and in most cases fetuses can be tested and the pregnancy aborted if the parents choose. Those parents are also generally fully aware of what the disease id like to deal with.

You are, once again, comparing apples and oranges tibear.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Those people are discouraged from having children by the medical establishment and in most cases fetuses can be tested and the pregnancy aborted if the parents choose. Those parents are also generally fully aware of what the disease id like to deal with.

You are, once again, comparing apples and oranges tibear.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Those people are discouraged from having children by the medical establishment and in most cases fetuses can be tested and the pregnancy aborted if the parents choose. Those parents are also generally fully aware of what the disease id like to deal with.

You are, once again, comparing apples and oranges tibear.