I'm OK with that. But not true with me, for I have plenty to say (I bet you haven't noticed) and what best about it, is that what I say condemns no one!
All positive as God would have it be.
Have a nice day:smile:
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I'm OK with that. But not true with me, for I have plenty to say (I bet you haven't noticed) and what best about it, is that what I say condemns no one!
All positive as God would have it be.
Have a nice day:smile:
Yes, I know I said it correctly. Jesus is not the author of any of the books in the New Testament. We have nothing that he wrote himself. It was all reported by others. All of it. There is no other resource.
You're not quite correct, but you are correct.
We tend not to take those things too literally. Jesus did not specifically perhaps refer to a definite time frame, per se. Though it certainly seems as if He did. most Biblical scholars feel He was using metaphors. The Apostles, however, Paul certainly, took Him literally and were certain His return would happen in their lifetimes.
That's kind of the issue, isn't it? Things that were once taken literally but we now know to be false--the creation stories are only the most obvious examples--are interpreted as metaphors (except by raving fundies, of course), other things are taken as true as stated, and there's no internal clue in scripture as to which is which. On what basis, for instance, can we decide whether the statement you started this thread with, "I am the way, the truth and the life" is to be taken as true as stated, or in some metaphorical sense?
By our own choice. Post redemptive determination to dirty the slate once again.
For example?
Just one thing here. "If I proved I understood by the way I conduct myself in life", then real life began anew.
Redemption occured for the non-believer too. The slate is cleansed for him also. What occurs from now on is an opportunity that really comes "once in a lifetime".
"made possible".
love God with their whole heart, and their neighbour as themselves.
Ref: NT, Jesus asked, "What is the heart of the law.?"
AndyF
Not sure I understood your response there, but my meaning was that Redemptive determination has been eliminated at the cross. And what is left ids behavioral determination here on earth.
Verse in question, is "I am the way, the truth and the life" [John 14:6].
Meaning that Christ died for all, and if understood as such, for the believer there would be no argument, but because it is not accepted as such, arguments ensue.
Proved by your behavior under whose rules? God’s or mankind's?
Not there you have my 100% agreement. The opportunity afforded us is to put our salvation to good use. But first, salvation has to be understood as having it, so that we can know we are free to explore its qualities. In other words, working our salvation out, if you know what I mean.
"made possible".>>>AndyF
Salvation was made possible!
That was made without reference to God by me to prove a point that Godless people can be good too.
Or in other words; what is the spirit of the law?
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
i believe in everything he wrote above starting this thread. I have accepted christ and thats what it says you need to do to get eternal life. Also to spread and pronounce your faith.
I did it...i'm a born again christian
I did it...i'm a born again christian
Look3467:
NewAdvent.org/Good states our good is a contribution to the whole and destined to return to it's source. The source of all good is God it's owner.
"....And then arises the question, what is the end towards which this providence directs the universe? The end again is the good, i.e.God Himself. Not indeed that, as in the case of creatures He may derive any advantage or perfection from the world, but that it, by participating in His goodness, may manifest it. This manifestation is what we understand by the expression, giving glory to God. God is the Alpha and the Omega of the good; the source from which it flows, the end to which it returns."
AndyF
Except that godless people are not according to God what is due Him, and that is worship and recognition of Him has an expression of Charity and thanks. Everything good we create and possess belongs to God and is pre-owned, and so it is always an incomplete insincere exercise if one doesn't believe the Owner exists. Good acts find total completion when they have finally returned to the Owner.
NewAdvent.org/Good states our good is a contribution to the whole and destined to return to it's source. The source of all good is God it's owner.
"....And then arises the question, what is the end towards which this providence directs the universe? The end again is the good, i.e.God Himself. Not indeed that, as in the case of creatures He may derive any advantage or perfection from the world, but that it, by participating in His goodness, may manifest it. This manifestation is what we understand by the expression, giving glory to God. God is the Alpha and the Omega of the good; the source from which it flows, the end to which it returns."
AndyF
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Losing track here I see. We were discussing Christ in this point. Our behaviour would then be following Christ's(God's) rules has he instructed. Simply understanding what Christ means without putting it into action has no value.
I sense your having a hard time understanding redemption, and seems to follow some Protestant salvific doctrine as such. Hard to shake off their misinformation hey? ;-) You keep coming back in the belief we are already saved, therefore having the credentials to heaven at all times no matter what we do from now on. It means(once again) that we are placed in friendship with God where once we had a falling out, and from now on our efforts, thanks to Christ's sacrifice, will make it possible for us to enter heaven.
Ok, I see the problem here. You use the word salvation in terms of our redemptive state. That's a little too close to Protestant meaning to be comfortable for me, I would use redemption instead. Christ hoped that the redemption he offered would save us.
AndyF
i believe in everything he wrote above starting this thread. I have accepted Christ and thats what it says you need to do to get eternal life. Also to spread and pronounce your faith.
I did it...I'm a born again Christian
I am with you 100%
May the full blessings of the Kingdom (Christs) be yours to exercise here on earth as you serve your fellow brother and sister.
A brother in Christ>>>AJ:love9:
Our behavior apart from what Christ came to null and void are two separate things.
Eternal separation is what Christ came to fix, at the cost of God, we are given free reign in Christ.
Meaning is this, that eternal damnation which was before the coming of Christ is now non-existent as a result of Christ’s work. But, our behavior is still accountable to us at our expanse.
I believe I understand it correctly.
The original state of mankind was spiritual death due to separation. How can God fix it or how can He redeem it, to a state of life?
God redeemed mankind’s death state by complying with His own requirements of righteousness and nailing it to the cross ending that world as it was.
If death came to all mankind by one man, (Flesh Adam) then life also comes to all mankind by flesh (Adam Jesus). There are no grey areas, it is all or none.
The belief is that salvation has already been granted or predestined. But the acknowledgment of that is what we need to get, which translates into being saved.
Those who acknowledge their gift are saved, and their salvation is worked out of them by the Holy Spirit who dwells in their hearts.
This is where my new understanding brings me to Andy, and that I understood it as you have explained it above, but now see it differently because I have come into new knowledge.
Our efforts have no bearing on our salvation, because that was solely on Christ’s shoulders as a gift to us for free.
Acknowledging that gift and receiving it is gaining access to Christ’s Kingdom as sons.
That is referred to as being born again. And that I believe is what you may have meant by being a friend of God.
You will see that I will not disagree with you much in that I see things now from a different perspective.
My perspective is much more inclusive of all souls regardless of their state of belief.
Let me say one thing and that is, that salvation is a gift waiting to be received. In receiving requires no work on our part because it is a free gift.
But because many will not receive it in this life time, does not condemn them to eternal death.
Peace>>>AJ:love9: