Liberating the Oppressed

Motar

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”To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, ‘If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free” (John 8:31-32, NIV).

Truth delivers from deception (Matthew 24:4, 5, 11, 24).
 

Ron in Regina

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And to the Jews, Adolf Hitler said, “Jump on the train guys, it’ll be fun, & there’s a shower waiting for all of you on the other end to get you cleaned up before supper & bedtime. Don’t worry ‘cuz there’s safety in numbers and there’s 6,000,000+ of you. What’s the worst that can happen? Trust me!”

Are you seriously trying to demonize an entire faith based upon something that happened over a hundred generations back? Those Jews you’re pointing the finger at all died more than 2000 years ago. Let it go. It’s not like it happened recently like 9/11 or anything like that.
 
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Dexter Sinister

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I disagree. A couple of centuries to re-write history, and he would have been the latter-day Julius Caesar
Well you may be right, history's not my strong point, and if he'd won it would have been the French doing the rewrites. But it seems significant to me that the Roman Empire in some form outlived Caesar by about five centuries, Napoleon's French Empire didn't even outlast Napoleon, it collapsed after almost everybody he'd attacked attacked him at Waterloo, no doubt emboldened by his disastrous Russian campaign a few years before. But I'm inclined to think what Napoleon wanted to do was actually impossible, he couldn't have won.
 

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“It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery” (Galatians 5:1, NIV).

Spiritual freedom is found in Christ.
 

Motar

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“In him and through faith in him we may approach God with freedom and confidence” (Ephesians 3:12, NIV).

It is Christ who liberates.
 

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Well you may be right, history's not my strong point, and if he'd won it would have been the French doing the rewrites. But it seems significant to me that the Roman Empire in some form outlived Caesar by about five centuries, Napoleon's French Empire didn't even outlast Napoleon, it collapsed after almost everybody he'd attacked attacked him at Waterloo, no doubt emboldened by his disastrous Russian campaign a few years before. But I'm inclined to think what Napoleon wanted to do was actually impossible, he couldn't have won.
Imagine a Francophonic Canada with only one primarily English-speaking province and a U.S. with two official languages (or three, Spanish being the other)!

Hard to say. Napoleon focussed mostly on Europe and adjacent areas. What made the British Empire unique was that it was everywhere, geographically.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Imagine a Francophonic Canada ...
Now there's a horrible thought, they're already cranky and entitled, can't imagine how much worse they'd be if they were in charge.

Realistically though, that seems a most unlikely outcome from a Napoleonic victory. France had already ceded most of its North American territory to Britain in 1763 in the settlement of the Seven Years War (you may know it as the French and Indian War), America had made the Louisiana Purchase in 1803 (yes I had to look that up), a Napoleonic victory in Europe wouldn't likely have shifted any of the territory back to France. Interesting idea though, I'd like to see some talented novelist in the "alternative history" genre go to work on it. Maybe Tecumseh would have survived the War of 1812 and we'd know where his bones are, and we'd be having this exchange in French. ;)
 
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Dexter Sinister

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“It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery” (Galatians 5:1, NIV).

Spiritual freedom is found in Christ.
“In him and through faith in him we may approach God with freedom and confidence” (Ephesians 3:12, NIV).

It is Christ who liberates.
Spiritual freedom, whatever that is, wouldn't be of much value to someone still labouring under the yoke of slavery. Christ freed no slaves, that takes political action, and often violence if history is any guide. Besides, what's to be gained by freeing oneself from one kind of slavery if the result is another kind of enslavement, to a religious ideology that demands much of you but can prove none of its claims about the world? No thanks, I'll take my chances and do my own thinking.
 
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Motar

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It’s been a pleasure interacting with you here, Friends. I hope this discussion has been as profitable for you as it has been for me. It’s back to class for me - my last before I complete my program. I can’t thank you enough for your thoughtful comments. You have enriched my life. God bless. ❤️