Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election

[Liberalman]

Michael Ignatieff acted like a true leader and he decided to wait till after the summer for an election.

The polls were in the Liberal party’s favor but not enough to get a majority.

Michael Ignatieff got a deal to have a Blue Ribbon panel on the employment insurance or EI that will only have Liberal and Conservative MPs on it and the Bloc and the NDP will have to watch on the sidelines starting in the fall when the House of Commons resume.

I have a feeling that the leader of the Liberal party plays a mean game of chess.

Michael Ignatieff tells the government that he doesn’t want an election then he makes four demands of the government then he says that if he doesn’t get those answers then he has no choice but to bring down the government.

Then Checkmate

The government takes this seriously and then Stephen Harper and Michael Ignatieff have three meetings and work out a deal.

The other three demands were Isotopes, rate of stimulus spending, and more details on the government's plan to contain the ballooning deficit
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Michael Ignatieff was able to make government work and he was able to head off another proroguing which I am sure the Conservative party was ready to do again.

If the Conservative government doesn’t send out the stimulus money to the municipalities and get those shovel ready projects going and providing employment, then in the fall the Conservative government will FALL.

 

[Cannuck]

...and if the government doesn't fall in the fall, then it it definitely fall this winter. Naturally, if it doesn't fall in the winter, it will fall in the spring. Of course, if it gets through the spring....

Way to go out on a limb.

The simple fact is that two weeks ago you said "Today on CTV Question Period the two hosts will get the news and off we go."

You were wrong and you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Liberalman]

Cannuck I wasn't wrong the Liberal leader was right

 

[Cannuck]

Twisted like a true Liberal.

 

[pegger]

Twisted like a true Liberal.

Yeah - but the Conservatives are twisting as "Dion-lite" etc...

Bunch as BS postering on both sides. Both sides caved. However, in a Minority, this is what is supposed to happen.

 

[captain morgan]

I have a feeling that the leader of the Liberal party plays a mean game of chess.

Michael Ignatieff tells the government that he doesn’t want an election then he makes four demands of the government then he says that if he doesn’t get those answers then he has no choice but to bring down the government.

Then Checkmate

A mean game of chess? Telling the gvt that you won't call an election in advance of the 'demands' isn't exactly a strategy, is it?

Iggy made his demands along with a threat that he would collapse the gvt last Friday. Harper called his bluff and the liberals ran away cheeping like mice with their collective tails between their legs.

That sure is some admirable strategy.

The heroics that you've interpreted remind me of a Woody Allen movie where he viciously hits someone in the fist with his face and repeatedly punishes another by ramming his stomach into his knee.

 

[Cannuck]

Yeah - but the Conservatives are twisting as "Dion-lite" etc...

That's subjective though.

Bunch as BS postering on both sides.

Indeed

Both sides caved. However, in a Minority, this is what is supposed to happen.

In this instance, I don't think Harper caved. He did cave on spending like a drunken sailor, as did most of the leaders in the developed world, although that has nothing to do with Liberalman's politicking and inability to judge the realities around him. Only the most severe ideologues believed an election was imminent.

 

[pegger]

In this instance, I don't think Harper caved.

He did go from
A) no changes at all to EI to
B) unspecified changes in the fall - but the government will decide to
C) A "blue ribbon panel" with Cons and Libs.

hmmm... sounds like his deficit position, don't it?

 

[Cannuck]

hmmm... sounds like his deficit position, don't it?

Not at all. What he has agreed to do is discuss the issue and nothing more. You don't seriously believe that "willing to discuss" equals "caving". There is every possibility that come fall Harper could say sorry, nothings gonna change or more likely, he'll drag out the panel if the economy looks as if it's improving. This is nothing like the deficit position.

 

[pegger]

Not at all. What he has agreed to do is discuss the issue and nothing more. You don't seriously believe that "willing to discuss" equals "caving". There is every possibility that come fall Harper could say sorry, nothings gonna change or more likely, he'll drag out the panel if the economy looks as if it's improving. This is nothing like the deficit position.

Possibly. If he does, it would make him look like a bigger ass though (and the "blame" that parliament doesn't work will fall more squarely on him).

Yes - to me "willing to discuss" is a cave in when a week before it was "no way - force an election."

 

[Cannuck]

A week ago it was about more than just EI. Had Iggy held his ground on all four issues there would have been an election. Harper's position changed when Iggy's demands changed. That's not caving.

 

[Walter]

Angus Reid: Con 32% Lib 31% NDP 18% BQ 11% Grn. 7%
Ekos: Con 34.8% Lib 32.6% Ndp 14.3% Grn 9.3% Bq 9%

Iggy was just putting on a show, there was never any chance he would have wanted an election with these numbers; besides, the Libs ain't got no money.

 

[Liberalman]

It's what the polls show near an election

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Minority government possible for Liberals, poll suggests

Up until the deficit news of May 26, the Conservatives appeared to have been benefiting from the fact some more prosperous Canadians, perhaps with an eye more to the stock market than the job market, were becoming more optimistic about the economic future.
However, their advantage appeared to vanish after Finance Minister Jim Flaherty revealed Ottawa expected a budgetary shortfall of $50 billion for the 2009-10 fiscal year that will end in March 2010.

 

[L Gilbert]

Polls used to suggest our solar system was geocentric, too. Lots of "if"s in suggestions.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Polls used to suggest our solar system was geocentric, too. Lots of "if"s in suggestions.

LG we said what people used to think back then in some cases is irrelevant, we are past from such debates whether or not the solar system is geocentric or heliocentric.

Poor Galileo was jailed for life by the Conservative religious inept thinkers of the time, for believing the correct ideology about how our solar system worked.

Humanity has changed only in some parts of the world, as you know today.

 

[L Gilbert]

LG we said what people used to think back then in some cases is irrelevant, we are past from such debates whether or not the solar system is geocentric or heliocentric.

We are past from such debates? If you mean that we've discovered the difference, I agree. But, my point was that popular opinion and even popular certainty is wrong sometimes.

Poor Galileo was jailed for life by the Conservative religious inept thinkers of the time, for believing the correct ideology about how our solar system worked.

Humanity has changed only in some parts of the world, as you know today.

Yeah. Galileo died a few years back. Things are different now. But, most people are still fools.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

We are past from such debates? If you mean that we've discovered the difference, I agree. But, my point was that popular opinion and even popular certainty is wrong sometimes.

Yeah. Galileo died a few years back. Things are different now. But, most people are still fools.

We are diverting from the main question on this thread, Pierre Elliott Trudeau greatness to the average person on the street is not a good comparison. The main question here is "Who was the worst PM Canada has ever seen”, and the answer to that is many Conservatives PM s. History will back that up.

 

[L Gilbert]

We are diverting from the main question on this thread, Pierre Elliott Trudeau greatness to the average person on the street is not a good comparison. The main question here is "Who was the worst PM Canada has ever seen”, and the answer to that is many Conservatives PM s. History will back that up.

PET's "greatness" is an illusion. I don't think we had a worst PM. Many were atrocious, some were not so bad, and PET was in between.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

PET's "greatness" is an illusion. I don't think we had a worst PM. Many were atrocious, some were not so bad, and PET was in between.

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