Liberals are the Most Corrupt Government

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Liberals are the Most

I didn't say, "As rich as Alberta is now," I said, "As rich as Alberta." I meant in relation to the rest of Canada. You will likely still be rich then too, although there are some serious questions about that.

The point is that democracy trumps wealth. The poorest Canadian is entitled to exactly as many votes as the richest Canadian. You seem to have a lot of trouble with that concept.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Liberals are the Most

I didn't say, "As rich as Alberta is now," I said, "As rich as Alberta." I meant in relation to the rest of Canada. You will likely still be rich then too, although there are some serious questions about that.

The point is that democracy trumps wealth. The poorest Canadian is entitled to exactly as many votes as the richest Canadian. You seem to have a lot of trouble with that concept.

Actually, I dont, but I do note that you failed to answer the hypothetical question. The reason it is not realistic is because it is hypothetical.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Liberals are the Most

I took it from the hypothetical to the probable. The reality is that you keep equating your province's natural wealth with electoral power. The equation is flawed and inherently undemocratic.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Liberals are the Most

I took it from the hypothetical to the probable. The reality is that you keep equating your province's natural wealth with electoral power. The equation is flawed and inherently undemocratic.

As is a system that allows one region to select a government for the rest of the country.

 

[peapod]

Well I guess if your using those numbers, you better not hope people actually wake up and start to demand other alternatives. I say to hell with oil, you can keep it, although if its not needed, it won't bring you much comfort. One of these days my friend, people are gonna rise up and put a stop to you oil people, north and south, its a disgrace and a blight on humanity, the lengths and excuses greedy bastards will go to to worship their green god. Cracks me up really! I swear it does :lol: :lol:

I work with seniors, older ones, I tell ya..if you think your money is going to mean something when your using a walker, the joke is on you.

 

[missile]

Best estimates are that the world will run out of oil in 15 to 20 years,depending on the rate of consumption. I hope Alberta is putting all their riches in the bank-they'll be needing it

 

[bluealberta]

Best estimates are that the world will run out of oil in 15 to 20 years,depending on the rate of consumption. I hope Alberta is putting all their riches in the bank-they'll be needing it

Funny, the last report was that the tarsands had at least 200 years of oil left. You don't really believe your numbers, do you? They said that in the 70's too, resulted in massive lineups at the gas pumps. Wasn't right then, isn't right now.

 

[bluealberta]

Well I guess if your using those numbers, you better not hope people actually wake up and start to demand other alternatives. I say to hell with oil, you can keep it, although if its not needed, it won't bring you much comfort. One of these days my friend, people are gonna rise up and put a stop to you oil people, north and south, its a disgrace and a blight on humanity, the lengths and excuses greedy bastards will go to to worship their green god. Cracks me up really! I swear it does :lol: :lol:

I work with seniors, older ones, I tell ya..if you think your money is going to mean something when your using a walker, the joke is on you.

So you don't own a car? What do you heat your house with? Do you have a BBQ (propane is an oil by product)? Are your roads paved? Made with oil by products.

The amount of things that we use in our daily lives that are by products of oil are starggering.

 

[RedFred]

Alberta will run out of oil and become totally dependant on the rest of Canada. Then all you redneck hillbillies will be sorry. What will you do then? We don't need oil. We can do without airlines, trucklines, all things made of plastic, heat. The Liberals will simply provide everything for us. Most of all the Canadian government doesn't need the billions of dollars they rake in each year from oil.

 

[DasFX]

Funny, the last report was that the tarsands had at least 200 years of oil left.

I now see you way of thinking. To you 200 years is a long time, you'll be long dead so what do you care. Let's separate Alberta now cause by the time the oil runs out, I'll be dead in a box! What about your great, great, grand children? Screw them right?

Also, 200 years is an estimate. Secondly, what if the demand rapidly increase, that 200 years gets smaller. Or what if Oil becomes obselete. A lot can change, I mean think of the year 1925, a lot is different, so what makes you think things wouldn't be drastically different in 2085? 2085 isn't that far away? I mean if you play your cards right, you might still be here!

200 hundred years is a blink of an eye in terms of human history!

 

[no1important]

RE: Liberals are the Most

If production has to be increased due to demands 200 years could turn into a lot less. Also that Tar sand oil is more dificult and exensive to extract.

 

[bluealberta]

Alberta will run out of oil and become totally dependant on the rest of Canada. Then all you redneck hillbillies will be sorry. What will you do then? We don't need oil. We can do without airlines, trucklines, all things made of plastic, heat. The Liberals will simply provide everything for us. Most of all the Canadian government doesn't need the billions of dollars they rake in each year from oil.

So REd, you are now prepared to give over total control to the feds and the liberal government. What a shame :roll:

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Liberals are the Most

If production has to be increased due to demands 200 years could turn into a lot less. Also that Tar sand oil is more dificult and exensive to extract.

Your point was valid a few years ago, but the technology has now made it possible to extract it at a less cost.

 

[bluealberta]

Funny, the last report was that the tarsands had at least 200 years of oil left.

I now see you way of thinking. To you 200 years is a long time, you'll be long dead so what do you care. Let's separate Alberta now cause by the time the oil runs out, I'll be dead in a box! What about your great, great, grand children? Screw them right?

Also, 200 years is an estimate. Secondly, what if the demand rapidly increase, that 200 years gets smaller. Or what if Oil becomes obselete. A lot can change, I mean think of the year 1925, a lot is different, so what makes you think things wouldn't be drastically different in 2085? 2085 isn't that far away? I mean if you play your cards right, you might still be here!

200 hundred years is a blink of an eye in terms of human history!

Ah gee, you have now uncovered our secret agenda. Get as much as possible now, blow everything, then live off Canada like everyone lives off Alberta and Ontario now. Our grandchildren and great grandchildren will not have to worry, the country will take care of them thanks to the socialist wonderland that the libs and the ndp have given us. Of course, they won't have any money of their own, having to give every cent the earn to the government so that the feds can take care of every canadian citizen from cradle to grave, but, hey, thats a small price to pay for socialist utopia.

Of course, if this theory were actually true, we would have a massive sales tax, would not have paid off the debt and would have the highest personal and corporate tax in the country. Guess we kind of forgot about that part of our agenda.

So if we don't need oil, what happens in Ontario to all the plants producing internal combustion vehicles? I guess the will become a have not province too, right? Maybe the Maritimes can support the rest of Canada with all those fish.......oh right, they are all gone too. Hmmm, I guess Canada is screwed. Oh well, what the hell, we have a gun registry and day care and SSM. Of course, no one actually lives here any more.

You guys are a joke.

 

[Reverend Blair]

So if we don't need oil, what happens in Ontario to all the plants producing internal combustion vehicles?

The auto industry is moving towards alternative fuels, Blue. Oil sands aren't that cheap to produce oil from either, and you are increasingly dependent on natural gas from outside your own province to do it. Do you think, if you decide to leave Canada, that we will give you that gas to produce oil, or do you think we'll use it to heat our homes?

 

[bluealberta]

So if we don't need oil, what happens in Ontario to all the plants producing internal combustion vehicles?

The auto industry is moving towards alternative fuels, Blue. Oil sands aren't that cheap to produce oil from either, and you are increasingly dependent on natural gas from outside your own province to do it. Do you think, if you decide to leave Canada, that we will give you that gas to produce oil, or do you think we'll use it to heat our homes?

That is hilarious!!! I know many people in the industry who say that there are so many capped natural gas wells in Alberta now that they cannot even predict when they will be started to be used, let alone run out. You really ought to get your information straight about subjects you really know nothing about.

And who said Alberta would not develop alternate energy sources? That is one thing I have been promoting all the time, but it takes money, and as long as our transfer payments are being wasted by the feds, we cannot use that money to develop the alternate energy sources that will be necessary in the future.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Liberals are the Most

Yet your plan is to run gas down from the north to feed to oilsands....trading a fairly clean energy source for a dirty one.

That's not to mention the massive amount of water you waste getting oil.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Liberals are the Most

Yet your plan is to run gas down from the north to feed to oilsands....trading a fairly clean energy source for a dirty one.

That's not to mention the massive amount of water you waste getting oil.

The water issue is true, and being dealt with in terms of developing technology to clean and recycle it, according to the people I know in the industry. It is a concern to them, so they are trying to correct it and be as environmental as possible because it is in their best interest to do so.

The industry has proven that they will do what is necessary to make their industry as clean as possible, and to keep costs as low as possible. Why? Because ultimately it is in their best interests to do so in order to stay in business.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Liberals are the Most

The gas issue is true too. That's what the pipeline is for.

The water issue is far from being solved. To recycle the water right now, you'd have to use more energy than you get out of a barrel of oil.

That's just in the oil sands too. In areas where you pump oil, you are injecting precious water into the wells to keep the pressure up. That water is gone forever.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Liberals are the Most

The gas issue is true too. That's what the pipeline is for.

The water issue is far from being solved. To recycle the water right now, you'd have to use more energy than you get out of a barrel of oil.

That's just in the oil sands too. In areas where you pump oil, you are injecting precious water into the wells to keep the pressure up. That water is gone forever.

You know its funny, but after the last week and half, water is not really a problem right now. The other funny thing is, its all going to Sask. Now if there was a dam, it may be saved, but we might have drowned out some gophers east of Medicine Hat, so couldnt build a dam. Damn environmentalists, saving all those cute little gophers.

For someone who accuses me of not thinking long term, you seem to have an awfully narrow and limited view of the technology that can be developed, if only governments would get the hell out of the way and let the industries develop these technologies. Despite this, new technology is being developed every day, which will only be to the benefit of everyone.