Gordon J Torture said:
Finally, something I can agree with you on. Look around the world, they are all "socialists" in bed with capitalists.
Liberals are the Most Corrupt Government
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Finally, something I can agree with you on. Look around the world, they are all "socialists" in bed with capitalists.
...RedFred said:
I'm from Ontario. If any province can claim of being stolen from from the Federal government its us. You have it easy, you have no damn PST and you have more representation in the government for your population then either Ontario or Quebec, but I'm not compaining, I just think you are crazy to think you people have it hard.
We are not trying to steal Alberta's money until Alberta is dependant, we are trying to build a decent country, or at least I hope so.
RE: Liberals are the Most
I thought that was the point too. Not only that, but we're making headway. Saskatchewan is a have province now. Newfoundland is headed that way. Manitoba will likely achieve that status when we the east-west grid going. If we move to hydrogen fuel, Manitoba will be as rich as Alberta.
I thought that was the point too. Not only that, but we're making headway. Saskatchewan is a have province now. Newfoundland is headed that way. Manitoba will likely achieve that status when we the east-west grid going. If we move to hydrogen fuel, Manitoba will be as rich as Alberta.
Chake99 said:
The difference is you have political influence with your representation in the government, due to your population size, while Alberta has no influence and is marginalized, even though we pay more PER CAPITA than any other province into Canada. Yes, Ontario pays more total, but Alberta pays more per person.
RE: Liberals are the Most
There you go thinking that your vote should count for more because of money. That isn't how democracy works, Blue. You want more say, get more people.
There you go thinking that your vote should count for more because of money. That isn't how democracy works, Blue. You want more say, get more people.
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It really has nothing to do with money, even, Rev. We have zilch political input into this country. All the decisions are made for this country with Ontario and Quebec in mind, nothing else. Where is the benefit if belonging to a group or organization, or in this case a country, when you have no influence and no input and are marginalized and demonized when we complain about this? The money issue is a supporting issue, but the principle is that of no input or influence. Policies made to benefit Ontario and Quebec seldom, if at all, have any benefit for the west, and for the most part, are damaging to the west.
If you cannot understand that kind of frustration, that's okay, but quit telling us out here that we should basically shut up and take it without complaining about it. Cause we won't.
Reverend Blair said:
It really has nothing to do with money, even, Rev. We have zilch political input into this country. All the decisions are made for this country with Ontario and Quebec in mind, nothing else. Where is the benefit if belonging to a group or organization, or in this case a country, when you have no influence and no input and are marginalized and demonized when we complain about this? The money issue is a supporting issue, but the principle is that of no input or influence. Policies made to benefit Ontario and Quebec seldom, if at all, have any benefit for the west, and for the most part, are damaging to the west.
If you cannot understand that kind of frustration, that's okay, but quit telling us out here that we should basically shut up and take it without complaining about it. Cause we won't.
RE: Liberals are the Most
I live in Manitoba, Blue...We have fewer than you have. I grew up in Saskatchewan...Again, fewer seats than you. I understand the situation. I get it. You know what though? I believe in democracy and they really don't treat us that badly at all.
I live in Manitoba, Blue...We have fewer than you have. I grew up in Saskatchewan...Again, fewer seats than you. I understand the situation. I get it. You know what though? I believe in democracy and they really don't treat us that badly at all.
Re: RE: Liberals are the Most
That isn't true; Alberta has 9% of the political input.........because you have 9% of the population.
Hey, there are 6 other provinces with less political clout, so it could be worse. I understand what you say, but saying it over and over and over and over again isn't going to help. I mean are you against the whole concept of representation by population?
The whole more money per capita thing is getting old; I explain how the math works. Per capita is of no concern to the government, it is total dollars. You and your two friends in AB each give me 5 bucks then I got fifteen, but then 13 of my Ontario buds give me 3 bucks each and I got 39. Hmmmm, what sounds better 15 or 39 dollars? Who do you think I'm going to listen to more?
Stop complaining and go fornicate! That will boast your population and in turn your political clout. Or better yet, incase you don't like sex, change your image and attract more of those immigrant folks out to Alberta. People=Power!
bluealberta said:
That isn't true; Alberta has 9% of the political input.........because you have 9% of the population.
Hey, there are 6 other provinces with less political clout, so it could be worse. I understand what you say, but saying it over and over and over and over again isn't going to help. I mean are you against the whole concept of representation by population? The whole more money per capita thing is getting old; I explain how the math works. Per capita is of no concern to the government, it is total dollars. You and your two friends in AB each give me 5 bucks then I got fifteen, but then 13 of my Ontario buds give me 3 bucks each and I got 39. Hmmmm, what sounds better 15 or 39 dollars? Who do you think I'm going to listen to more?
Stop complaining and go fornicate! That will boast your population and in turn your political clout. Or better yet, incase you don't like sex, change your image and attract more of those immigrant folks out to Alberta. People=Power!
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I yield to our political massas in Ontario. (Bend and grovel here).
Actually, we are getting more and more people and corporate head offices moving here all the time, and has nothing to do with fornicating, not that I have anything against that. They are coming because of the Alberta advantage of a better quality of living, less taxes, both personal and corporate, and best of all, its a long way from Ontario. Funny thing is, when they get here, they usually adopt the Alberta attitude you all hate on this forum because they see the eastern bias that goes on for themselves.
DasFX said:bluealberta said:
That isn't true; Alberta has 9% of the political input.........because you have 9% of the population.
The whole more money per capita thing is getting old; I explain how the math works. Per capita is of no concern to the government, it is total dollars. You and your two friends in AB each give me 5 bucks then I got fifteen, but then 13 of my Ontario buds give me 3 bucks each and I got 39. Hmmmm, what sounds better 15 or 39 dollars? Who do you think I'm going to listen to more?
Stop complaining and go fornicate! That will boast your population and in turn your political clout. Or better yet, incase you don't like sex, change your image and attract more of those immigrant folks out to Alberta. People=Power!
I yield to our political massas in Ontario. (Bend and grovel here).
Actually, we are getting more and more people and corporate head offices moving here all the time, and has nothing to do with fornicating, not that I have anything against that. They are coming because of the Alberta advantage of a better quality of living, less taxes, both personal and corporate, and best of all, its a long way from Ontario. Funny thing is, when they get here, they usually adopt the Alberta attitude you all hate on this forum because they see the eastern bias that goes on for themselves.
Re: RE: Liberals are the Most
I don't doubt that people are coming to Alberta, I for one wanted to move to Calgary (and still do) from Toronto. I like Alberta and its way of life. But Alberta has a long way to go to get to Ontario or Quebec's population. I'm not quite sure if even Alberta is able to sustain such a big population. I'm sure people in Edmonton and Calgary don't want to see further urban sprawl and expansion like Toronto. Also, I'm sure Alberta wants to keep all that fertile land as well, so unfortunately for you Albertans, I don't think you will ever be one of the big boys, not unless you are willing to pay a hefty price.
Do you work for the tourism dept. or the economic and business development group of Alberta, because your lines sound just like their ads! I love the one about Calgary having the second most head offices in the country? Who's number 1?
bluealberta said:
I don't doubt that people are coming to Alberta, I for one wanted to move to Calgary (and still do) from Toronto. I like Alberta and its way of life. But Alberta has a long way to go to get to Ontario or Quebec's population. I'm not quite sure if even Alberta is able to sustain such a big population. I'm sure people in Edmonton and Calgary don't want to see further urban sprawl and expansion like Toronto. Also, I'm sure Alberta wants to keep all that fertile land as well, so unfortunately for you Albertans, I don't think you will ever be one of the big boys, not unless you are willing to pay a hefty price.
Do you work for the tourism dept. or the economic and business development group of Alberta, because your lines sound just like their ads! I love the one about Calgary having the second most head offices in the country? Who's number 1?
RE: Liberals are the Most
As long as the stupid opinions of a good part of Ontario don't travel to Alberta..Would have to jump ship if Alberta went Liberal!!! Shudder the thought!!!
As long as the stupid opinions of a good part of Ontario don't travel to Alberta..Would have to jump ship if Alberta went Liberal!!! Shudder the thought!!!
RE: Liberals are the Most
It will, Bill. Throughout history, not just Canada's history either, we've seen that as populations grow people become more Liberal. They want governments to do something for them, they are more accepting of those that are different in some way, and they support the left of the political spectrum.
It will, Bill. Throughout history, not just Canada's history either, we've seen that as populations grow people become more Liberal. They want governments to do something for them, they are more accepting of those that are different in some way, and they support the left of the political spectrum.
The real threat from Libs is there going to sell our country out just you wait and see were going to become one big happy family with the states and Mexico :x Alll this corruption and scandal is a smoke screen for the big picture PNAC its coming and what are you people going to do about :? My guess is most of you will do nothing :evil:
RE: Liberals are the Most
At the top left of the main forum page is a red and white ribbon, Chake. It's part of a campaign against deep integration with the USA. Click on it.
At the top left of the main forum page is a red and white ribbon, Chake. It's part of a campaign against deep integration with the USA. Click on it.
Chake I always post links and have been accused of posting to many links to this stuff :wink: While you sit there and argue bullshit politics the politicians have their subbordinates negotiating back room deals with zero input from the people on our sovereignty.
Re: RE: Liberals are the Most
No I don't work in that industry at all, and I suspect Toronto does. But as you say, being number two is not bad when you consider Vancouver and Montreal, to name two, that are bigger.
If you mean population when you say big boys, you are right, If you mean fiscally, we already are one of the big boys.
Let me ask you a hypothetical. Let's say that somewher in the Canadian Arctic, in one of the territories, an absolutely massive cache of "something" was discovered that would continue to fund Canada for the next 500 years. No other industry would be required. This "something" is developed, and results in a bit of an increase, but not much, in the population of the area, which is still the lowest in Canada. Under this very hypothetical situation, would you continue to think that this area should have no say simply because their population base was less than the rest of Canada?
While population must be PART of the influence a region or province has, surely everything must be taken into consideration, including the fiscal input of that province or region. I know this still leaves Ontario in first, but Alberta would be right behind, under my suggestion.
DasFX said:bluealberta said:
I don't doubt that people are coming to Alberta, I for one wanted to move to Calgary (and still do) from Toronto. I like Alberta and its way of life. But Alberta has a long way to go to get to Ontario or Quebec's population. I'm not quite sure if even Alberta is able to sustain such a big population. I'm sure people in Edmonton and Calgary don't want to see further urban sprawl and expansion like Toronto. Also, I'm sure Alberta wants to keep all that fertile land as well, so unfortunately for you Albertans, I don't think you will ever be one of the big boys, not unless you are willing to pay a hefty price.
Do you work for the tourism dept. or the economic and business development group of Alberta, because your lines sound just like their ads! I love the one about Calgary having the second most head offices in the country? Who's number 1?
No I don't work in that industry at all, and I suspect Toronto does. But as you say, being number two is not bad when you consider Vancouver and Montreal, to name two, that are bigger.
If you mean population when you say big boys, you are right, If you mean fiscally, we already are one of the big boys.
Let me ask you a hypothetical. Let's say that somewher in the Canadian Arctic, in one of the territories, an absolutely massive cache of "something" was discovered that would continue to fund Canada for the next 500 years. No other industry would be required. This "something" is developed, and results in a bit of an increase, but not much, in the population of the area, which is still the lowest in Canada. Under this very hypothetical situation, would you continue to think that this area should have no say simply because their population base was less than the rest of Canada?
While population must be PART of the influence a region or province has, surely everything must be taken into consideration, including the fiscal input of that province or region. I know this still leaves Ontario in first, but Alberta would be right behind, under my suggestion.
RE: Liberals are the Most
Stupid question, Blue...and you are asking the wrong guy anyway.
There is a province (actually more than one, but I only live in one) that is about to find "something". That province is Manitoba.
You've heard all of the talk about hydrogen fuel? You know what it takes to make hydrogen? Water and electricity. You know what we have? Water and electricity. So chances are that within 20 or 30 years Manitoba will be as rich as Alberta. We still won't have a massive population though. We will still have even fewer people than Alberta.
You know what though? Because I believe in democracy, representation by population, I will continue to support that concept. I won't whine that I don't get to buy votes, or have to send my tax money to Alberta for brain transplants because they are a have-not province in the thinking area.
Stupid question, Blue...and you are asking the wrong guy anyway.
There is a province (actually more than one, but I only live in one) that is about to find "something". That province is Manitoba.
You've heard all of the talk about hydrogen fuel? You know what it takes to make hydrogen? Water and electricity. You know what we have? Water and electricity. So chances are that within 20 or 30 years Manitoba will be as rich as Alberta. We still won't have a massive population though. We will still have even fewer people than Alberta.
You know what though? Because I believe in democracy, representation by population, I will continue to support that concept. I won't whine that I don't get to buy votes, or have to send my tax money to Alberta for brain transplants because they are a have-not province in the thinking area.
Re: RE: Liberals are the Most
Actually, my response was to Dasfx, but your opinions are as welcome as they usually are, and about as silly as your response. In 20 o 30 years from now if Manitoba is just getting to be as rich as Alberta is now, we will have moved up from our current status so far you will need a telescope to see us. The tarsands are projected to have at least enough oil reserves for 200 years, and the technology we are developing is more than just the oil sector.
Reverend Blair said:
Actually, my response was to Dasfx, but your opinions are as welcome as they usually are, and about as silly as your response. In 20 o 30 years from now if Manitoba is just getting to be as rich as Alberta is now, we will have moved up from our current status so far you will need a telescope to see us. The tarsands are projected to have at least enough oil reserves for 200 years, and the technology we are developing is more than just the oil sector.