Liberal Leadership up in air if early election

Jay

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Weak Liberal leadership is a huge factor in all of this. IMO
 

MMMike

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Re: RE: Liberal Leadership up in air if early election

FiveParadox said:
MMMike, and what of the vow by the Conservative Ministry to force through their child care agenda, and to disestablish the gun registry, notwithstanding the opinion of the House of Commons?

Force through??? Thats one way to look at it, I guess. But more people voted for the Conservatives and their platform than either the NDP or the Liberals. What does it mean to win an election if you can't impliment any of the policies you ran under?
 

FiveParadox

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MMMike, more people voted for the Opposition parties, in aggregate, than for the Conservative Party of Canada; therefore, if the Opposition would see appropriate to prevent the Government from passing one or more legislative measures, even if they are parts of its campaign platform, then that is their right.
 

MMMike

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Re: RE: Liberal Leadership up in air if early election

FiveParadox said:
MMMike, more people voted for the Opposition parties, in aggregate, than for the Conservative Party of Canada; therefore, if the Opposition would see appropriate to prevent the Government from passing one or more legislative measures, even if they are parts of its campaign platform, then that is their right.

Even opposition parties need to compromise to make this government work. I agree, though, that they would have to stick to their guns over key policy issues. Surely daycare and the firearms registry would not qualify?
 

FiveParadox

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Considering the Opposition parties unanimously oppose the Conservative plan to end the agreements with the Provinces, I would argue that they would be quite right in pushing for the Tories to amend their strategy on that front.
 

MMMike

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Re: RE: Liberal Leadership up in air if early election

FiveParadox said:
Considering the Opposition parties unanimously oppose the Conservative plan to end the agreements with the Provinces, I would argue that they would be quite right in pushing for the Tories to amend their strategy on that front.

Oh come on Five. The gun registry could dissappear tomorrow and it wouldn't make a lick of difference. And after all these years, Canada needs a universal state-run institutional daycare system tomorrow or the social fabric of the country will fall apart??? :roll: Please... This is not the stuff that should bring down a government.
 

FiveParadox

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And yet, what brought about the defeat of the Liberal Government of Canada? Accountability issues; and yet, has the Conservative Government of Canada shown itself to be any better? I would think not.
 

Hank C

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Re: RE: Liberal Leadership up in air if early election

FiveParadox said:
And yet, what brought about the defeat of the Liberal Government of Canada? Accountability issues; and yet, has the Conservative Government of Canada shown itself to be any better? I would think not.

there is absolutely no comparison to the liberal mafioso...hell lets give the tories a chance, lets let parliment sit...funny how you had no problem with the stronach defection, yet the emerson deal seems to outrage you?

I remember you talking about stronch and her fine accomplishments as a liberal......so why not apply the same logic and reasoning to emerson who represents your city...this move was obviously not a move to gain power....but a strategic move reach out to urban canadians....

...dont get me wrong I am still pissed about it, i dont think we needed emerson
 

FiveParadox

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Hank C, with all due respect, the action of the Honourable Belinda Stronach was made in order to represent the views of a majority of her constituents; that is, to prevent the defeat of the former Government of Canada. I may have the numbers incorrect, but wasn't the vote for the Conservative Party of Canada in the electoral district of Vancouver — Kingsway in an amount of less than twenty percent?
 

Finder

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Re: RE: Liberal Leadership up in air if early election

FiveParadox said:
Hank C, with all due respect, the action of the Honourable Belinda Stronach was made in order to represent the views of a majority of her constituents; that is, to prevent the defeat of the former Government of Canada. I may have the numbers incorrect, but wasn't the vote for the Conservative Party of Canada in the electoral district of Vancouver — Kingsway in an amount of less than twenty percent?

That's the problem right now that in Kingsway the CPC was a pathetic showing and the only two parties which were in compation for the riding was the NDP and the Liberals. I think if a by-election were held today the NDP would easyly take the riding. I don't agree with Belinda crossing the floor but considering Newmarket is a battle ground between the conservatives and the Liberals it wasn't as big as a step to take. It would have been the same as this is if Belinda had jump ship to the NDP.