Letter from a Wife and Mother

Dexter Sinister

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GreenGreta said:
A myth? Men beating women is hardly a myth. I do agree that women also beat men.

You misunderstand me, though I could have been clearer. Let's try this again.

The mythology is that domestic violence means men abusing women, ignoring the fact that women do it just as much to men. It also ignores non-physical abuse, which I'd bet is far more common. Another part of the mythology holds that all men, not just the few who actually snap, are seething cauldrons of barely repressed testosterone-driven violence capable of giving in to base urges without warning. You won't find the latter notion expressed much except in the more extremist feminist circles, but it's out there.

I started researching this stuff the day I heard Peter Gzowski on national radio take personal responsibility on behalf of all men for Mark Lepine's fit of madness at L'Ecole Polytechnique in Montreal, and I thought, "No, I'm not buying that, I won't be tarred with that brush." Gzowski was wrong, so is popular culture, and so is feminism on this particular issue: women are just as guilty as men on this one.
 

AirIntake

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My mother is a coordinator for Victim Service in the town I used to live in. She deals with domestic abuse all time. Her biggest pet peeve? Spouses (women) that keep coming back to their abuser. Spouses that come to the police for help but then change their mind and become uncooperative because all of a sudden they 'love him' again. There is no shortage of assitance programs in our area, it's just up to the woman to actually follow through with the process of charging the abuser and then getting the assistance they require. Too often they 'make up' with the abuser only to be abused again.
 

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This is a bit silly to me, I am not going to run around and find stats and reports, the fact is women are abused by men all the time. Thats why we have safe homes for them. I have no doubt women abuse men. Jay I think you are talking about child abuse, and I am sorry you had to suffer that at the hands of your mother. I don't really care who is doing it, the fact is no one should be doing it.

Dex, I disagree with my buds all the time...except bigH of course... :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

Dexter Sinister

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Re: RE: Letter from a Wife and Mother

Jay said:
Sound like a great time....what fish bites flies up there?.

It was a fabulous time. I dunno what "what fish bites flies" means exactly, and a full answer to what I think it means is a little off topic for this thread (I'm considering developing a more thoughtful essay on it, with pictures, to post somewhere), so here I'll just say we got walleye, northern pike, and lake trout, in large numbers and sizes, almost exclusively using spoon-type lures with the yellow/black and yellow/red five of diamonds pattern on them.
 

Twila

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Spouses (women) that keep coming back to their abuser. Spouses that come to the police for help but then change their mind and become uncooperative because all of a sudden they 'love him' again.

My sister used to volunteer with Vancouver's Rape Crisis relief. She quit because of the above. She was sick and tired of hearing these women return to the abusers.

I myself find it frustrating that women still are not "equal" We still want to be victims. We don't want to take responsibility for our actions. THose actions being going back to the abuser. At some point, we women, are going to either have to acknowledge that "no, infact we are not equal"(and will require all sorts of shelters, counselling and victim services for the rest of our lives) or we're going to have to acknowledge that we are in fact alot stronger then we pretend to be and take responsibility for allowing this type of bullshit to happen to us. Hit me once, shame on you. Hit me twice, shame on me.
 

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walleyeyes are nice little scrapers, I would like to read that essay dex. I posted something for you in the hoe de hoe hoe thread.

I am not really into the man verus women thing, we all have our own ideas, but just my opinion...but women should learn to look after themselves, in fact if half of them did, there would be no use for men at all :wink:
 

Twila

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in fact if half of them did, there would be no use for men at all

There's something extremely fruedian about this statement.
 

AirIntake

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Hit me once, shame on you. Hit me twice, shame on me.

I'm going to pass this one on to my Mom, she'll love it :) I can just imagine her telling that to the next victim that decides to go back to their abuser. She could end it with a Red Foreman "Dumbass!"
 

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This is as late as they had stats for.
Based on responses from approximately 26,000 people, an estimated 7% of adults (equivalent to about 690,000 women and 549,000 men in Canada) experienced some form of violence in their marriage or common-law relationship in the five years prior to the 1999 General Social Survey.

Women Can be Abusive too

As long ago as 1981, Straus, Gelles and Steinmetz discovered some of the data referred to by Kelly, reporting it in "Behind Closed Doors: Violence in the American Family." Nearly 180 million women were assaulted annually by their husbands that year -- shameful data that was elevated for all to see via incite-ful ads trumpeting the fact that "Every 17 seconds a woman is assaulted by her husband."

What the general public never saw, though, was the "real surprise," to quote the authors: 200 million husbands who were likewise assaulted by their wives.

In what can only be described as a conspiracy of misinformation, the data on assaulted husbands was swept under the rug. No ads were ever produced depicting the average 16 second time span between assaults by wives on their husbands.

Contrary to public perception, the most likely physical abuser of a young child will be that child's mother, not a male in the household.

Mothers abuse children twice as often as fathers: 40% of child victims were maltreated by their mother acting alone, vs 19% percent by their father acting alone.

Mothers accounted for 55% of child murders, whereas fathers were responsible for only a relatively tiny percentage.

Women ages twenty to forty-nine are almost twice as likely as men to be perpetrators of child maltreatment:. . . almost two thirds of child abusers were females. Given that male perpetrators are not necessarily fathers but more likely to be boyfriends and stepfathers, fathers emerge as the least likely child abusers.

Research found that children are as much as thirty-three times more likely to be abused when a live-in boyfriend or stepfather is present.

Judges error on the dangerous side by giving children to mothers and not fathers.

Children from fatherless homes account for:

63% of youth suicides.
70% of juveniles in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes.
71% of pregnant teenagers
71% of all high school dropouts.
75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers.
80% of rapists motivated with displaced anger.
85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders.
85% of all youths sitting in prisons.
90% of all homeless and runaway children.
You might think a "loving mother" would want to protect her child and keep him from becoming one of the above statistics, but in most cases you would be wrong.

Mothers are exposing children to the above risks:

Angry mothers sabotage a father's efforts to visit their children.
Few children are satisfied with the amount of contact with their fathers.
The mother was the greatest obstacle to having more frequent contact with the children.
37.9% of fathers have no access/visitation rights.
40% of mothers reported that they had interfered with the non-custodial father's visitation on at least one occasion, to punish the ex-spouse.
50% of mothers "see no value in the father`s continued contact with his children...."
70% of fathers felt that they had too little time with their children.
77% of non-custodial fathers are NOT able to "visit" their children, as ordered by the court, as a result of visitation interference by the mother.
89% of mothers don't value their husband's input when it comes to handling problems with their kids.
Non-compliance with court ordered visitation is 300% more common than non-compliance with court ordered child support and impacts the children of divorce even more.


Basically violence happens on both sides, and violence solves nothing. If your children are exposed and recieve violence growing up, good chances they will be doing the same when they grow up. Hitting kids and spouses is very very wrong and no need for it. There are better ways to solve the problems.

So if you hit your kids stop, if you hit your spouse stop. If you feel the urge to do either leave your home to calm down and go see a counsellor or other form of professional help.

Take Sweden for example they banned "spanking" in the late 70's and they have substantially lower rates of domestic abuse compared to North America.
 

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Re: RE: Letter from a Wife and Mother

Dexter Sinister said:
Jay said:
Sound like a great time....what fish bites flies up there?.

It was a fabulous time. I dunno what "what fish bites flies" means exactly,

:lol: no doubt...

I think my brain confused the fly-in-fishing, with fly fishing....

and when you said this…

Dexter Sinister said:
walleye, northern pike, and lake trout, in large numbers and sizes, almost exclusively using spoon-type lures with the yellow/black and yellow/red five of diamonds pattern on them.

it really threw me for a loop, and I had to go back and re-read.
 

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Well, I gotta side with Jay on this one ... no one disputes spousal abuse is a heinous act, but the letter is one designed to elicite a knee-jerk reaction. I see this kind of thing often in my Jack Russell forum ... people posting letters from abused animal perspectives.

Glad you didn't label it feminist, tho, Jay ... wouldda had to arm wrestle you on that one. I am a feminist, but that it doesn't necessarily follow that I'm given to emotional propaganda. ;)

Somehow the ploy of attempting to tug my heartstrings only annoys me and, in my view, reduces the issue to theatre. Education, legal reform, and, above all, assistance to the victims of spousal abuse are what is needed. Social awareness of the subject has come light years the past decade and for that I am grateful. Admitting it is going on is essential to stopping it.

This is not an exercise in theory for me ... I once lived with a man (back in the days before I discovered which team I really play for!) that beat me regularly. And effectively ... to the point of putting me in the hospital once. The way I got out of it was by spending a lot of long hours in a counsellor's office until I acquired the necessary self esteem and sense of value to step away.

While abuse is NOT the victim's fault, the solution does lie in strengthening the psche of the victim to the point where they can defend themselves.

I admit I'm I am less than sympathetic to the abuser, but have become somewhat more educated on the subject. One of my dear friends is a therapist who deals with abusers and her education has been helpful to me in being a little less judgemental and emotional about the subject. I think those are key in finding any kind of truly effective solution ... when emotions run high, logic flies out the window. Letters like that target emotion and, as such, do more harm than good, IMHO.
 

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One of the guys I work with is mid 20s, fit, works out, etc.

One morning he came in with a black eye, he explained that he was "talking, when he should have been listening". His girlfriend hit him.

We (two women, one man) pointed out that he was an idiot for staying with her, and that if she did it once, she'd do it again, and that if she hit him, think of what she'd do with children if they ever had any.

My mother always told us that if any of us ever hit our wives, the first person we'd have to answer to would be HER.
 

Haggis McBagpipe

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To me it reads like one of those email scam letters. Seems at the end of it there should be a request for money or a demand that it be forwarded to 'ten of your friends' with the resultant bad luck if you don't comply.