Legalizing Marijuana

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Senate committee recommends legalizing pot

Canada should legalize marijuana use for anyone over 16 and offer amnesty for those convicted of pot possession, a Senate committee recommended Wednesday.

The committee would like to see Ottawa regulate cannabis and allow for its sale in much the same way that beer and wine are sold.

"Scientific evidence overwhelmingly indicates that cannabis is substantially less harmful than alcohol and should be treated not as a criminal issue but as a social and public health issue," Senator Pierre Nolin, the committee chair, told a news conference Wednesday morning.

Nolin said using marijuana should be a "personal choice" that does not lead to criminal conviction.

Some 600,000 Canadians have been convicted of simple possession and the committee says their records should be wiped clean.

A House of Commons committee is expected to issue a report in November and the government isn't likely to unveil its position until early next year.

Police surprised by recommendation

Sergeant Grant Learned, the B.C. RCMP's media spokesman, says Mounties are surprised by the committee's recommendation. He says there is still plenty of debate about the negative effects of the drug. And he adds that police believe the distribution of marijuana is used to foster other criminal activities.

A group representing Canadian municipal police groups denounced the idea of legalizing of marijuana earlier this year, and urged the federal government to create a national drug strategy.

"Sending a message to our young people that marijuana is not harmful, or can be used safely, when there is scientific evidence to the contrary, is not responsible," David Griffin, the executive officer of the Canadian Police Association, told a news conference. He cited studies indicating that marijuana is more harmful than alcohol to human health.

Griffin called for a meeting to develop a national strategy on the marijuana issue, before any laws are changed.

Marijuana advocates hailed the recommendation, but said they didn't believe any changes would be made to laws in the near future.

"The big challenge, now, is to see those recommendations translated in the reality,'' said Marc Boris Saint-Maurice, leader of the Marijuana Party.

"The government is responsible for that part, and we all know that the government don't like to address sensitive issues,'' he said.

Other supporters say it's time the stigma be removed from smoking pot.

"People who smoke pot have been burdened by the attitude by our government that we're criminals," said Bruce Langer.

Senator Colin Kenny, co-chairman of the special committee on illegal drugs, admits that studies from other countries suggest marijuana use would rise if the drug were made legal. But he adds that such a rise would be short-lived.

Kenny predicts legalization would ultimately result in less recreational use of marijuana.

Dr. Henry Haddad, former president of the Canadian Medical Association, discussed the issue with Lisa LaFlamme on Canada AM. He said that if marijuana is legalized, the move should be accompanied by a national drug strategy.

Haddad testified at the Senate hearings in favour of decriminalizing marijuana. Haddad told LaFlamme that marijuana is a health issue and not a criminal one. He said the Canadian system needs to switch its focus to prevention and treatment. And he said the literature has shown that decriminalizing marijuana does not lead to increased use or harder drugs.

But he cautioned that decriminalizing should only be done gradually and if accompanied by a national strategy aimed at preventing people from smoking the drug. Haddad said that six to seven per cent of the population smokes marijuana, while 10 per cent of that group could be considered addicted.

Earlier this summer, Justice Minister Martin Cauchon told the Canadian Bar Association that he was not interested in legalizing marijuana. Cauchon hinted at the group's annual meeting that he may investigating whether to relax the country's marijuana laws, but he made it clear that he was talking about decriminalizing pot -- not making it legal.

Cauchon said he would consult widely with Canadians and law enforcement agencies before making a decision.

"I believe it's time for an open discussion about modernizing the criminal justice system in this regard," he said.

Medicinal pot laws up in the air

At Wednesday's news conference, the Senate committee also said the country's laws for medicinal marijuana need to be revised.

Last year, the federal government stipulated that a person wanting to use medical marijuana to relieve pain and stimulate appetite must supply declarations from as many as two medical specialists. The only exception involves terminally ill patients expected to die within a year.

Health Minister Anne McLellan has said she won't consider releasing any of the government marijuana being grown in an old mine in Flin Flon, Man., until clinical trials have been completed.

"I take very seriously the fact that we're called the Department of Health," McLellan said last month.

Overall, she said more clarification was needed before Ottawa goes ahead with a controversial plan to distribute medicinal pot.


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Andem

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I know this should have gone in the "legalizing marijuana" forum, but as it isnt very popular and frequented by users, might as well throw it here..

I have very mixed feelings on marijuana being legalized.. Sometimes I think its a good idea, more freedoms etc. However, there is a bad side to the drug.. What they say is 100% true, cannibus DOES lead to harsher drugs, and it is essentially a gateway drug.. Much like the way cigarettes and alcohol tie together.

I think it might be a good way to seperate Canada from americanization, however, i do see the bad side effects to legalizing this drug. I do, however, think they are crazy making the minimum age for purchase 16... Just like everything else, it should be 19.
 

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Andem said:
I know this should have gone in the "legalizing marijuana" forum, but as it isnt very popular and frequented by users, might as well throw it here..

I have very mixed feelings on marijuana being legalized.. Sometimes I think its a good idea, more freedoms etc. However, there is a bad side to the drug.. What they say is 100% true, cannibus DOES lead to harsher drugs, and it is essentially a gateway drug.. Much like the way cigarettes and alcohol tie together.

I think it might be a good way to seperate Canada from americanization, however, i do see the bad side effects to legalizing this drug. I do, however, think they are crazy making the minimum age for purchase 16... Just like everything else, it should be 19.

You are very wrong. Marijuana is NOT a gateway drug. It has been proven by numerous studies. Even police studies have shown that. More people go onto hard drugs after using alcohol than pot. Please go to Canadian university sites and read their studies on the subject. People who use hard drugs have addictive personalities. They will use hard drugs no matter what their first drug experiance was.
 

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czardogs: I think any drug or alcohol is a gateway drug. Either way, they are all bad for you to a degree. Although I'm a smoker, I do believe that even smoking is a gateway to other things.
 

JidoSpod

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Yeah, smoking is a gateway to lung cancer and drinking is a gateway to liver failure :) hehe
 

JidoSpod

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Any substance can be abused. People abuse their wealth too, doesnt mean rich people should be outlawed (well it'd be funny if they were hehehe)
 

Vincent_2002

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I agree with Shmad and czardogs.....
Marijuana is not so bad as to be a discovered gateway drug! I really think Canada should legalize it and make it like holland! It would be too interesting to see how that would go.
 

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I think a good starting point would be to decriminalize it with a view to possibly legalize it down the road.
Even if marijuana isn't good for your health, and I'm sure it has it's down side, I would really love it if our government would stop acting like our mother and let Canadian adults decide for ourselves what to put into our bodies.
 

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Anonymous said:
I think a good starting point would be to decriminalize it with a view to possibly legalize it down the road.
Even if marijuana isn't good for your health, and I'm sure it has it's down side, I would really love it if our government would stop acting like our mother and let Canadian adults decide for ourselves what to put into our bodies.

Probably (from my view) the bigest downside to use would be weight gain from the munchies. You eat an unbelievable amount lol. But this is good for people who are either in so much pain that they can't eat, or people who can't maintain their weight. And believe me there are a LOT of people like this out there. It also helps with pain and suffering anything from cronic migranes up to serious things like cancer, etc. It alieviates a lot of the pain.

Obviously everything has downsides to it, its just how you use it that actually matters. My grandfather was in so much pain from cancer that had spred to his whole body that a nurse recommended heroine for the pain, and my grandmother who didnt want to see him in such pain had to go out in the streets and find some. It helped make his last days better for him, but it hurt everyone to be having to give him something like that. Obviously I DO NOT agree with giving ANYONE that, but at the time when a loved one is dying, you will try anything to make their last few days as peaceful as possible.
 

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Works for my headaches. Spent dozens of hours in doctors offices and in hospitals trying different things to get ride of my headache but in the end nothing worked. So when my head feels like its about to explode and I am going to harf, I reach for mother mary J... end of problem that day. :wink:
 

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Anonymous said:
Works for my headaches. Spent dozens of hours in doctors offices and in hospitals trying different things to get ride of my headache but in the end nothing worked. So when my head feels like its about to explode and I am going to harf, I reach for mother mary J... end of problem that day. :wink:

Yes, its a quick solution, especially when the highly expensive prescription drugs wont work on your migranes, like me. I've tried every single migrane medication out there, and tested some before they were even on the market due to the cronic condition of my migranes which can last sometimes weeks. The only cure I've found for it is handly MJ and she rocks. My doctor doesnt like the fact that I use it to get rid of migranes, but then he said, "whatever allieviates your pain". So I think he's mostly okay with it, but just doesnt like the fact that I have to resort to it to get rid of my migranes.
 

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I think it's not such a bad idea. I've been the the nederlands and it's not bad at all. It's a casual making like alcohol is in the rest of the world. Perhaps it can be gradually introduced?

Shmad, I think it can be a good substitute for head problems.
 

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good to see mostly pro-legalisation people! The arguements are there in theory, but need to be tested in practice. It's one tax i wouldn't mind so much paying!

I noticed the mention of the term 'gateway'. Made my blood boil, until it was explained to be different from the US government's ant-pot propaganda machine.

The bill to decriminalise will have to start again, from what i've read, which is a very frustrating thing indeed.

I'm from the UK and it would be good to help our arguement for legalisation if Canada was successful in introducing cannabis legalisation or at least starting off with decriminalisation.
 

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Gandalf said:
good to see mostly pro-legalisation people! The arguements are there in theory, but need to be tested in practice. It's one tax i wouldn't mind so much paying!

I noticed the mention of the term 'gateway'. Made my blood boil, until it was explained to be different from the US government's ant-pot propaganda machine.

The bill to decriminalise will have to start again, from what i've read, which is a very frustrating thing indeed.

I'm from the UK and it would be good to help our arguement for legalisation if Canada was successful in introducing cannabis legalisation or at least starting off with decriminalisation.

Hi Gandalf! Welcome to the communtiy!

We actually have decriminalised marijuana here to a degree. Small amounts of marijuana in posession now gets off with a fine. I don't know exact amount, someone mind backing me up on how much it is? Shmad maybe knows.
 

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It is only because I have become so involved of late in the marijuana movement that I reply to this post. I believe the NDP have got the right attitude and approach regarding the political harms of marijuana and their efforts to legalize it should be applauded.

I met Jack Layton in Toronto at the Victory Gala and he seems right on to me not just on legalizing marijuana but the environmental issues as well. For those interested in this subject there is a wealth of information on our site about the upcoming events in Canada this summer.
Visit www.cannabiscanada.ca for more info. Vote NDP

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