Legal questions on strike - Teachers 'R' Us

Durgan

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Rebellion against the Ruling Liberal Party. Da head is Gordon Campbell. Quit talking about Gordon Campbell. It is the Liberal Party that has to take responsibility for the state of affairs.
Bad laws must be attacked. Blind obedience to a bad law verges on stupidity. Protest by all means possible.
Passing a law and not negotiating verges on Facism.

Hey! This is not about a strike anymore.
It is A British Columbia Rebellion. REBELLION.
Durgan.
 

peapod

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Letters of support from other organizations and groups

Prosecutors were also legislated
Conflict of interest if lawyers asked to sue teachers

If criminal charges are brought against teachers, Crown counsel will be unable to prosecute, says the head of the professional organization that represents B.C.'s 400 prosecutors.

The Criminal Justice Branch of the Ministry of the Attorney General yesterday appointed Vancouver lawyer Leonard Doust as an independent special prosecutor. Part of Doust's mandate will be to determine whether to initiate criminal contempt proceedings against illegally striking teachers.

But, said Michael Van Klaveren, president of the B.C. Crown Counsel Association, "It is our position, right now, that prosecutors are in a conflict of interest position when it comes to prosecuting any teachers."

On Friday, Klaveren advised the attorney general's office that there would be an apprehension of bias, or a perceived conflict of interest, "Given the striking parallels between the dispute between the teachers and the government and the prosecutors and the government."

Over the past two years, the association representing B.C.'s 400 Crown prosecutors has been immersed in a labour dispute with Victoria.

The association has twice won binding arbitration in relation to wages and working conditions. But in February, the provincial government introduced Bill 21. The bill threw out the binding arbitration; ordered prosecutors back to work; imposed a three-year contract and wage freeze; and stripped away their right to withdraw service, Van Klaveren said.

Similarly, the passing of Bill 12 last Friday eliminated the teachers' right to job action and extended their expired contract until July.

"As prosecutors we can not condone illegal strikes, but what is happening right now is ultimately the fault of the government," Van Klaveren said.

He contends the government has acted in bad faith when dealing with a number of unions.

"When they don't get what they want at the bargaining table they simply legislate. And in essence they are abusing their legislative authority.
–Jeff Hodson, Metro Vancouver commuter newspaper, October 18, 2005


The revolution has began 8) 8) 8)
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Legal questions on st

Campbell is getting into real trouble over this one. Most people I talk to are on the side of the teachers, even those who would not usually support a teacher's strike, because most of what the teachers are asking for would benefit the kids.

Campbell, on the other hand, has a record of being a union-busting idiot and people are fed up with his crap.
 

peapod

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An excellent post by a favorite BC blogger of mine 8)

The Best Place on Earth?

for those of you who don't live in British Columbia, I will tell you what has been happening as of late in this "great" province of ours.
in the latest shameful display of his to-hell-with-the-little-guy campaign, our premier, Gordon Campbell, and his wonderful group of so-called Liberals, have forced the teachers of this province to break the law and close down the public school system.
the teachers were ready to negotiate for their next contract with the government, when they were told that there would not be any such negotiations at this time, instead they would abide by the contract of the government's choosing and that would be that. the bc government then proceeded to pass this into law. the teachers say: nothing. they were to continue working as they have for the past ten years, without a negotiated contract. the bc government said "you must work under these conditions. if you refuse to work under these conditions, too bad." the teachers were not able to strike because of a previous ruling which made them an essential service. this means they could either accept the terms of the new law, fondly called Bill 12, or quit their job.
thankfully, the teachers' union decided to stand up to this dictatorial ruling and called for their members to walk off the job. so our teachers, including my mother and husband, have been defiantly walking the picket line and because of this they are criminals.
i find this incredibly frightening. i am frightened because we have elected a government which is acting in the best interest of big business as far as i can tell and has literally ripped up contracts between itself and its labourers. over a year ago, when i had just begun working in health care, i was walking the picket line. within one week we were back to work as the Liberal government wrote up a new contract to fit their directives and thus we were ordered back to work. we went, grumbling.
this has happened to other unions across the province since Gordon Campbell came to power.
i believe he has little understanding for the english language. a contract is signed by two or more parties that have come to a mutual agreement. in this province we now have a proliferation of "contracts" that have been dictated by the government and signed under duress. it has not been uncommon, either, for the Campbell government to rip up contracts and write a new one that suits their needs better. i am not making this up.
i am thrilled that the teachers are taking on the government and i am excited to see that labour in BC is behind the teachers and are conducting days of protest. so far they have shut down the province's capital and disrupted services across the province in protest. the teachers are putting their careers on the line for their students, themselves, and for each and every citizen of BC. Gordon Campbell and his government need to take their heads out of their Vancouver-centred asses and pay attention to what most British Columbians are saying: we live in a democracy! you are the criminals!
this morning i heard on the CBC that BC's crown prosecutors are refusing to prosecute the law-breaking teachers because they believe the government is also acting criminally. they believe that BC has broken international law in regards to labour: the way they have treated their labour has violated the International Standards as set by the UN. finally, some hope that those in power can think clearly!
i don't know how Gordon Campbell got re-elected; i was very sad to see him back at the helm this May. click on this link if you'd like to see him at his top form:
drunk and arrested for DUI in Hawaii. what a guy.
i am glad we live in a country where i can write these words, the teachers can walk off the job, and we can march to the Legislature without getting killed. this is exactly the freedom that the teachers are trying to protect, and the Liberals are trying to whisk away.
and, finally, for one last little shout from my soap box, i loathe what this government is trying to do with BC's image. in the past few months there have been commercials on TV, paid for by the government, that feature scenes from BC (vancouver mostly, of course) with sweeping helicopter shots and killer whales splashing to the overtones of some man saying: "BC, the best place on earth."
WHAT?
this summer we crossed the provincial border into Alberta, and i was incredibly dismayed and embarassed to see that we had new "Welcome to BC" signs - huge blue and white towers that said, you guessed it, "Welcome to BC, The Best Place on Earth."
Not only is this slogan boring and unimaginative, it is humiliatingly arrogant and smacks one over the head with the notion that we British Columbians are ignorant of the rest of the world.
when i lived in other parts of the country i learned of the stereotype we BCers have. it goes like this: we are pot-smoking, granola-munching, tree-huggers, who love our triple-shot machiatos from Starbucks. we all live in Vancouver and we don't know the rest of the country exists. this new slogan perpetuates this stereotype and embarasses me. i love the rest of the country as much as i love my home. i hope people aren't too put out by this arrogance and come experience BC for what it is, what our previous slogan told the world: we are Super, Natural BC.
 

bevvyd

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I bet Jinny Simms gets her own doll, she's being heralded as a hero by thousands. I bet Gordo would love to get his hands on a Jinny Simms doll and do all kinds of stuff......errr um I mean play all kinds of games with her.
 

peapod

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Maybe he will take her to hawaii on a road trip :lol: :lol: nah, jinny simms is not that hard up :p Man shut the light out...scary stuff...can you imagine 8O 8O 8O ouch!

Funny innit? jinny simms kickin his ass...fitting really, considering how that fecker treats women...ya I am women hear me roar :twisted: 70 per cent of the BCTF membership are women. Take that you low feckin bastard!

Dah da-dah da-dah *clap clap* Dah da-dah da-dah *clap clap*
 

bevvyd

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What I find amazing is that Vince Reddy was able to broker a deal in such a short time, did common sense and fairness prevail?
 

Karlin

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"Given the striking parallels between the dispute between the teachers and the government and the prosecutors and the government."
Peapod posted that.

When the government becomes so onerous and immoral in their actions, using the law like an ass and so on, that the LAWYERS are running into conflicts, it has got to be close to fascism.

Dictatorial and abusive government cannot expect the lawyers to prop them up, but that is a starting point for the final solutions... if the government gets its way and the lawyers bow down to them, we have lost.

Putting our faith in lawyers "to do the right thing" will be interesting eh? After all, they are "sell-outs and establishment people" from the get-go.

In any case, putting our support behind the teachers on the basis of unfair negotiating tactics is the right thing to do now. Stop and talk, walk with them, drop a dollar in the pot, give them a sandwich.

I do have bones to pick with teachers tho , and maybe they will listen to the community more if we help them now...That junk food issue for one - why do they aquiese to that , it disrupts the class. They should have protested there... if they genuinly are interested in the kids well being.
 

bevvyd

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Karlin,

A few years back I was being interviewed by one of the local school boards for the position of Purchasing Agent. I asked the Purchasing Manager about this 10 year agreement that was being entered into, as this flies in the face of what we are taught. He gritted his teeth and advised that is was the Trustees that were behind this deal, trying to raise money for the schools. Letters were sent out to the parents advising that this was being considered and I can only assume that the $$ out weighed any concerned parent, teacher or specifically the Purchasing Department across all regions. And let me tell ya Coca-Cola and Pepsi offered up a deal that was impossible for any school of a shoestring budget to turn down.