Lefty Liberals want to unit the Left

Jersay

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Dec 1, 2005
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OTTAWA (CP) - A new poll, released as two more left-leaning candidates prepare to enter the Liberal leadership race, suggests a merger of the Liberal and New Democratic parties could be an electoral winner.

The Decima Research poll found that 25 per cent of Canadians believed the two parties should unite. Voters who supported either of the two parties in last winter's election were even more receptive to the idea: 36 per cent of Liberals favoured a merger and 32 per cent of New Democrats.

Moreover, a Decima analysis of the 2006 election results suggests that had the two parties joined forces during last winter's election, they could have blocked the Conservatives from winning a minority government.

No Liberal leadership contender has so far advocated a formal merger of the two parties. But several of the perceived frontrunners, including Michael Ignatieff and Bob Rae are making a pitch for disenchanted voters who fled to the NDP in the Jan. 23 election.

Rae, a former NDP premier of Ontario, advocates uniting "progressive" voters while Ignatieff, a rookie Toronto MP and acclaimed scholar, is urging the party to plant its flag firmly on the centre-left of the political spectrum.

The field will tilt a bit more to the left Thursday, when Gerard Kennedy, former Ontario education minister and one-time food bank founder, formally joins the race. Although he is expected to cast himself as a firmly centrist candidate, Kennedy's history of social activism appeals to many left-of-centre Liberals.

Kennedy will launch his campaign in Ottawa at an outdoor event, surrounded by supporters, including more than a half dozen Liberal MPs, and with a spectacular view of the Parliament Buildings in the background. The setting is aimed at showcasing Kennedy as a "breath of fresh air" who practises a more open and inclusive style of politics.

The leftward tilt will become even more pronounced Friday when another perceived left-winger, onetime hockey great Ken Dryden, becomes the tenth candidate to throw his hat in the ring. Dryden is the former social development minister who finally delivered on the Liberals' decade-old promise to create a national child care program.

Only one candidate, Toronto-area MP Maurizio Bevilacqua has so far questioned the wisdom of shifting to the left, warning that the Liberals' electoral success has always depended on its ability to monopolize the middle ground of Canadian politics.

However, the Decima poll suggests luring voters away from the NDP will be crucial if the Liberals hope to recapture power.

In the last election, Decima found 17 per cent of Canadians voted strategically for a party that was not their first choice, motivated primarily by a desire to defeat the Liberals. More than one-quarter of those strategic voters cast ballots for the NDP.

While that's a relatively small number, the Decima analysis points out that the election results hinged on fewer than 20,000 votes in 14 ridings, where the split between the Liberals and NDP allowed the Tories to win. Had the Liberals won those ridings, they would have formed a minority government.

The online survey of 2,172 adult Canadians was conducted March 31-April 4. A sample this size is considered accurate to within plus or minus 2.1 percentage points 19 times in 20.

http://start.shaw.ca/start/enCA/News/NationalNewsArticle.htm?src=n042667A.xml

No offence ot any Liberals here. But, get away you Liberals, we NDP members don't want to be infected with an 'air of entitlement'. :lol:
 

FiveParadox

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Dec 20, 2005
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Re: Proper Merger an Option

I think that if done in a way which would capture the attention of supporters of both the current Liberal Party of Canada and the New Democratic Party of Canada, while simultaneously capturing the hearts of some fence-centre progressive supporters of the Conservative Party of Canada, that such a merge could be a stunning success.

However, I think that the Liberals would have to be prepared to sacrifice the support of some of their right-of-centre members and supporters, since such a merger would likely result in a party that would be more left-wing (even if only a minor shift) than its current left-of-centre (more-or-less) position. As for my own opinion, I would be very cautious about approaching a merger — I would fear that it would betray the "core" of the New Democrats, betray the "centre" of the Liberals, and could backfire in a dangerous manner on whatever new party may emerge.

I would urge caution on this front.
 

mabudon

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Mar 15, 2006
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RE: Lefty Liberals want t

I makes me kinda leery too... the main objection I have to the notion is that I truly believe that after such a merger, we would see our political landscape become a two-party system...

In my view, it would seem to be a repeat of the conservative/reform alliance situation- the merged "progressive" party may well be fine for a few years as all the separate members put their own "issues" on the backburner in favour of unity, but I think that if indeed the entire NDP and Liberal parties merged, it would only be a matter of time before schisms would form and in 10 years they would be in the same odd position os the Conservative party is today, where it would seem the "traditional base" is in fact very small and the majority of their votes come from a wide range of disgruntled voters, voting more to punish than to succeed... I think that this phnomenon may explain Harpersa current good polling numbers, since he hasn't really done anything yet, I think that the "average Canadian" figures that with no headlines screaming "scandal" he must be doing something right....

If the strategy is to get voters into looking at "alternatives" (which worked well for the conservatives) then old-fashioned party loyalty would be thrown to the wayside in many cases (which is actually a good thing IMO, but if the default voting pattern becomes "voting for a change" it wouldn't be nearly as good as if folks actually looked, with non-partisan eyes, at all the elidgible parties and made their choice based on what's BEST, not on avoiding what is percieved to be "worst")

Whew... so yeah, I think it might be a bad idea overall, election winner or no, and if it did NOT work, and the "anti NDP, ohh you remember rae days" mentality built in to a lot of people could be enough to drown BOTH parties- NDP voters turned off by the Liberals, and Lib/conservative swing-voters turned off by the "communist" NDP...

if anything the NDP sould really work on definining themselves and see if they could get some current Liberals to join under a re-vamped policy, maybe... certainly the Liberal leadership convention will re-define the Liberal party, and depending on the "who", it might cause some members to re-think their allegiance... one can hope, eh??
 

Finder

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As a Democrat myself, a card carrying member for 4 years now, I'd be against such a merger. The Liberals and the Democrats have two different visions of Canada, and really if you include all the different views of the Liberals there's thousands since every liberal leader has a different view it would seem. If the NDP did merge with the Liberals as is and policy didn't change on the Liberal side I would most likely not join the Liberals and actually just think about joining the Conservatives and become a Red Tory. lol. However if there was a merger (which I'm 100% against) and their was a Policy change on the Liberals to reflect the NDP's values I may think about joining.

If we do not get rid of the FPTP pure system by the Next election I think the NDP and the Liberals shouldn't run canadates against each other in certain ridings. Thats the only alliance I'd be for.
 

Jay

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Finder said:
If we do not get rid of the FPTP pure system by the Next election I think the NDP and the Liberals shouldn't run canadates against each other in certain ridings. Thats the only alliance I'd be for.

Since I doubt this will change, I hope the Liberals don't run a candidate in my riding against the NDP because my riding goes Liberal a lot with the conservatives comming in second...
 

mabudon

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RE: Lefty Liberals want t

So there is a fairly rough agreement, in this thread at least...

I think the whole problem is the "Left" being ascribed to the Liberals..

Fiveparadox is a really good example (and I mean this in the best way) of what I would describe as an "average Liberal" in terms of having a more conservative fiscal mind and a much more liberal approach to social poilicy (that's waht I've got from your posts at least)

being a more left-leaning type myself, who voted Liberal until it was clear that the party was no longer related to what I truly believe in, I would have to say that I too would be tempted by other alternatives (not necessarily the Conservatives but who knows what the future holds)

I think that is the real danger FiveP was referring to (maybe, if not I stand corrected) voters like myself see the scenario as a real loserfor the more progressive elements of the NDP (and maybe the Liberals too)

Witness the joining of the Alliance and the PCs, I would think that the Lib/Ndp merger would end up much like the current conservative party (which I still believe will have to fracture eventually) and lead to an overall weakening of both parties...

If anything, a jumping ship by a contingent of left-liberals (perhaps precipitated by the events of the leadership convention, or a "surprise" election before the con even) would be the best way to go about any possible "alliance", it would leave the Liberals fairly strong and boost the NDP "signature" at the same time


And more parites would be sweet too, and one never knows...