LED Lightbulbs

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Switching from ordinary lightbulbs to the compact fluorescents is a good idea, and I'm doing so, but am worried that they are all made in China,probably by prison labour. If the LED's are made in N. America, I'd be interested.
 

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Switching from ordinary lightbulbs to the compact fluorescents is a good idea, and I'm doing so, but am worried that they are all made in China,probably by prison labour. If the LED's are made in N. America, I'd be interested.

I haven't been able to find out if C.Crane have gone off shore for their bulbs or not. This company has been around for a long time but that is no guarantee. A lot of companies have sent their labour off-shore. I'll keep looking.
 

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Wow. That's an interesting developement. And they work with dimmers, a bit of a problem with most compact flouresents. Unless they are the right type they don't do dimmers.
 

#juan

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Interesting stat:

If every U.S. household replaced just one standard 60 watt bulb with a CC Vivid LED bulb, we could save 24,184,400,000 watts or 24,184.4 mega (million) watts per day.
[SIZE=-1]National savings information based on 103,000,000 households with an average use of 4 hrs per day per house. Based on gross watts.[/SIZE]


[SIZE=-1]Just imagine if they changed all their light bulbs...[/SIZE]


[SIZE=-1]I don't have the figures for Canada.
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eh1eh

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LED's are getting better all the time

thanks to nanotechnology :D

Absolutley, I specify LED for all my trucks. The visibility is infinitly better, even when covered with snow or road salt. Adds $500 to the price of a truck but it's definitley safer. And with these stats I can see alot less load on the altenator.
 

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Substance - May 03 2006

Incandescent vs. CFL vs. LED Light Bulb Challenge


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For anyone out there dragging their feet about switching to Compact Fluorescent (CFL) or LED light bulbs in the home, we’ve put together some data about long-term usage in comparison to incandescent bulbs. As anyone paying attention has noticed, incandescent bulbs are rapidly becoming a thing of the past in terms of price, output, and performance. In an attempt to [forgive us, but we couldn’t pass it up] shed some light on the issue, we’ve crunched some numbers and put together an Excel sheet that compares various facets of incandescent, CFL and LED bulbs. Read the rest of our analysis after the jump, and feel free to download our Light Bulb Comparison Spreadsheet, which you can customize for your own home bulb comparisons.
Next time you’re out looking for light bulbs for your home, consider your options and bear in mind a few factors that go into differentiating your options: individual bulb price, lifespan, lumens (brightness), and wattage/electricity cost (how much electricity it takes to light the bulb). Before you try to figure out which bulb you want to buy, consider what your goals are. Do you want to the longest-lasting bulb you can find? Do you want the most efficient bulb? Do you want to stop changing bulbs for 15 years? These days, there’s an option for each of these concerns.


Like we said, the incandescent bulb is a dinosaur. About the only thing it has going for it in comparison to more efficient and longer-lasting options is that the price of an individual bulb is still comparatively low. But if you use a little foresight, you’ll realize there are better options out there that cost just a little more. If you want a bulb that’s going to last for extended periods between replacements, you’ll want to go with the LED. The bulb features a lifespan of 60,000 hours versus the CFL’s 10,000 hours and the incandescent bulb’s 1,500 hours. Considering the bulb’s low energy expenditure, the cost (over its 60,000-hour lifespan) is significantly lower than either of the other bulbs. Simply put, if using as little energy as possible is your goal, the LED bulb is for you.


Of course, the standard LED is generally less bright than a traditional bulb. We tested the Spotlight LED bulb, which is made by the same manufacturer as the bulb we compared in our analysis (but with a lower lumen count), and we found it to have only a slightly less brightness than the traditional bulb. The LED also has the major drawback of featuring a very direct field of light, which makes it most useful only when aimed directly at what you want to light. Standard floor and table lamps equipped with an LED tend to offer streams of light aimed at the ceiling, which may not help with that book you're reading.


As a versatile bulb that burns comparably bright to a standard incandescent, but still costs less over the long term and burns more efficiently, the CFL Bulb may be your best bet. An advantage the CFL has over the LED is an upfront-cost that is considerably lower and far closer to the incandescent. In fact, if overall cost is your only concern, the cost of new LED bulbs may be more than you want to spend. Over the life of an LED, you are only going to see dramatic savings over the CFL if you are in an area that has high energy costs. For example, we compared LED and CFL bulbs at a standard $0.10 rate, and found that you would save about $11 over 60,000 hours. We also compared the two at $0.33 (what a friend pays) where the savings jumps to $120 over the life of an LED.
While the CFL is twice as expensive as the incandescent upfront, the former buries the latter in a pile of long-term cost. Each individual setting—not to mention the user’s view’s on energy conservation—is going to call for a unique bulb. We’ve tried to give you basic data and tools to figure out which bulb is right for you. Download the Excel spreadsheet and consider the best options for you.
Excel Sheet: LightBulb_Comparison.xls
By: robert o'neill
 

jeffdotchan

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Hey Guys,

I found this site Eternaleds.com that seems to have better prices and more selection than ccrane.com
[FONT=&quot]LED Replacement Bulbs For Home and Retail Lighting

They have MR16 bulbs, along with the exact bulbs that ccrane.com has but at a cheaper price and come with a 3-year warranty which sounds pretty sweet.

I ordered the MR16's since the halogen tracklights I use at home burn out all the time.:angryfire:
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folcar

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I am not sold on the Led light situation, i tried them out last year and found myself with one of the few that seem to go kaboom and darn near burnt the house down. Not to mention the mercury involved is a huge concern, they still don't recommend pregnant women or women who are planning on getting pregnant eat anything out of the great lakes because of the mercury levels. If they can eliminate the mercury, and make them in general safer. Than the energy savings will be well worth it.

Just some stray thoughts on energy consuption and ideas i had to generate more eco friendly power.

Why not stop shingle'g and tar'g our roofs and design them to utilize solar panels? Start on new homes and as older homes roofs need replacing they get the upgrade to solar, how much energy would that produce?

We have thousands if not millions of street lamps and hydro poles around the country why not start including and upgrading them to include a small windmill like the ones that can power 4 - 5 homes? Such a move would generate a ton more power?

One thing i find rediculous is the constant talk in the media and by politicians about our resources running out. When almost everything we use is recycleable and reusable, why are we not doing so? The only things i can think of that are not are primarily do to toxins and chemicals involved, which i am sure most of that could be changes to more friendly products?
 

folcar

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Another thought for anyone more interested in energy conservation, declare all bi-laws and community standards declarations as they pertain to no clothes lines null and void. Then promote the use of clothes lines weather permitting over the clothes dryer, should also help a wee bit.

Hybrid cars could also utilize a solar panel on the roof to help keep the battery's charged longer, not sure how effective it would be as i am not up to speed on the current efficiency of solar panels. But if it worked reasonably well, then the gas should kick in less during city driving.
 

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I am not sold on the Led light situation, i tried them out last year and found myself with one of the few that seem to go kaboom and darn near burnt the house down. Not to mention the mercury involved is a huge concern,
are you sure you're talking LED lights, or do you mean compact fluorescents?
 

karrie

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Another thought for anyone more interested in energy conservation, declare all bi-laws and community standards declarations as they pertain to no clothes lines null and void. Then promote the use of clothes lines weather permitting over the clothes dryer, should also help a wee bit.

Hybrid cars could also utilize a solar panel on the roof to help keep the battery's charged longer, not sure how effective it would be as i am not up to speed on the current efficiency of solar panels. But if it worked reasonably well, then the gas should kick in less during city driving.

I totally agree about the drying lines

It always amazes me how silly Canadians can be about energy at times. Take clothes drying in the winter. We run our dryers to dry our clothes, because hanging them outside isn't a good option. But then, we run our humidifiers to humidify the house. Hello! Simply hanging your clothes inside (there are so many inexpensive drying racks), can help humidify your house, and save you the cost of running the dryer AND the humidifier.
 

folcar

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are you sure you're talking LED lights, or do you mean compact fluorescents?

Yep that was the CFL's, I am not a fan of those things. Especially after the one blew up in our basement and had we not been home and quickly responded could have burned the house down.

Only skimmed through the LED info the first time taking another look, small question though? Do LED's have mercury in them? I awnsered this with an article i found.

Alternatives To the Alternative
Fortunately, there are mercury-free alternatives to CFLs. A tungsten-halogen lamp is an incandescent lamp with gases from the halogen family sealed inside. It has similar light output to a regular incandescent while using up to 40 percent less power. Although tungsten-halogen lamps are more expensive, they last two to four times longer than conventional incandescents. Unfortunately, they operate at very high temperatures and, in some instances, can pose a fire hazard. Halogen torchiere floor lamps are actually so dangerous they’re banned in some areas due to their tendency to tip and start fires.
Parabolic aluminized reflector (PAR) lamps, typically used as spotlights or floodlights inside or outside homes, are also available with halogen technology. A standard 150-watt incandescent spotlight can be replaced with a lower wattage halogen lamp, reducing electricity consumption by up to 40 percent.
However, the best alternative is the light-emitting diode (LED.) LEDs are already used in electronics, flashlights, headlamps for hiking and Christmas decorations, but their use as household lighting is not yet widespread, possibly due to the high price. But they are far superior to CFLs, so we think all that will change quickly.
LEDs are better than CFLs because they don’t contain mercury, and better than halogens because they burn cool and aren’t fragile. They last up to 10 times longer than CFLs – up to 60,000 hours, which averages out to 12 hours of light per day for 12 years. They are also highly directional, which means that they only put the light where you aim it. They also turn on instantly.
LEDs for household use can be hard to find in stores, but are available on the Internet. A company called C. Crane (www.ccrane.com) sells a number of LED bulbs in various sizes. The prices are in the $30 to $40 range, which is where CFLs were priced not that long ago.
One of the reasons LEDs have been slow to catch on is their low light output. But now designers have figured out how to group LEDs together to get brighter output and are using them to make highly efficient headlights, streetlights, traffic signals and even light bulbs for standard fixtures. Another problem with the early LED bulbs is their hard, white light, which some people don’t like.
A Swiss company named Lemnis Lighting has recently introduced a new 3.4-watt LED lamp, which it says consumes 90 percent less energy than a standard 40-watt incandescent bulb. Unlike earlier generation LEDs, the Pharox lamp emits a warm white light and has constant light output. These fine-tuned LEDs are currently only available in the Netherlands, but should become more widely available. They sell for around 30 euros (about $45 CDN/$40 US).
The price of LED lights is sure to come down and selection go up as demand increases and the
technology continues to improve. Even now, we think they’re your best bet to replace those energy-gobbling incandescent bulbs.

Here is a link to information on the Lemnis new bulb called the Pharox, if all is as stated in the article this is the future of home lighting as i see it. I also checked there home website but my swiss was a little rusty 8O

http://openpr.com/pdf/11862/direct-...ROX-THE-NEW-LED-LAMP-FOR-ILLUMINATION-USE.pdf
 

folcar

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Keeping with the theme of recycling and reducing waste and energy consumption, i also thought about a complete return to glass bottles for all products, complete with the refund for exchange policy that was successful with the old ones. The only change i would make is to place a plastic sock over any containing carbonized drinks to prevent the issue of spontanious bottle top explosions that was prevelant with the old soda bottles. Also the recent issue of chemical transfer in the plastic bottles that has been noted, and health groups as i have heard have recommend not drinking plastic bottled drinks after a certain age. (will look up more info when i get a chance) Would be eliminated. Not to mewntion several other benfits. In fact the only negatives are broken glass, not bad because ground up it is excellant way to absorb oil and other spills. And the weight of shipping.
 

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I can't believe my family has been so far ahead of the curve We've used LED lites since they first came out in our entire home and garage; replaced our furnace and HW tank years ago and put replaced our windows in the house - not because of GW of CC but because it made sense and it was cost effective. Our heating bills are the same as they were years ago and that's with the increase of natural gas prices. Only 1 more applicance to replace (fridge) and that'll be soon.

I'm so proud of us
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folcar

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It's only money holding us back, Windows are tops on the list followed by doors to eliminate any drafts and heat loss. Already did the furnace to high efficiency, bulbs will be next and led will be getting the nod there. We already hang clothes in the basement. As often as we can to eliminate as much dryer use as possible, stuck with a bylaw that prevents the use of clothes lines :-(. Seems some folks get embarrased when they see a pair of gitch blowing in the wind 8O . Already replaced the washer, dryer, fridge and stove to high efficiency. Water heater will be as soon as can be done (money permitting). Planted 7 trees over the last several weeks in our yard. It's a start. :smile:
 

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missile:
Switching from ordinary ..... but am worried that they are all made in China,probably by prison labor._______________________

Yes ,it would be more patriotic to use the ones produced by our ( Canadian) prison labor but unfortunately the Canadian "labor" is to busy eating steaks ,playing pool or just watching TV.
 
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