Last surviving veteran of Nelson's HMS Victory has died
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Look I understand you were pissed at the dried up mapleleaf tart, but to target the whole of Canada, as indescriminantly as the IDF targets the Hezbollah, is rather unbecoming of you. As much as your points of view do not always mess evenly with mine, your commentary for the most part, is quite levelheaded. I was just a little shocked, that's all.
Your rebuttle left a little to be desired though, I was sharpening my pencil for a tete a tete with you, over my rather abrupt reply, lol.
Some information om HMS Victory, a ship that is still commissioned in the Royal Navy and did Britannia proud by fighting those pesky French and Americans -
HMS Victory stands today as the world's oldest commissioned warship. Still manned by Officers and Ratings of the Royal Navy, the Victory has seen over 220 years of almost continuous naval service.
Best known for her role in the Battle of Trafalgar, the Victory currently has a dual role as the flagship of the Commander-in-Chief Naval Home Command and as a living museum to the Georgian navy.
Launched in 1765 at Chatham Dockyard, the Victory was commissioned in 1778 and continued in active service for the next 32 years. In 1812 the Victory was retired from frontline duty and anchored in Portsmouth Harbour, on the south coast of England. For the next 110 years the Victory remained at her moorings in Portsmouth Harbour fulfilling a combination of practical and ceremonial roles.
In 1922, amid fears for her continued survival, the Victory was moved into Portsmouth's Royal Naval Dockyard and placed in No2 Dry Dock. Work then began on restoring the Victory to her 'fighting' 1805 condition.
Open to the public all year round, HMS Victory allows the visitor to explore the world of the Georgian navy, experiencing both the ship herself and the lives of the men who lived within her 'wooden world'.
HMS Victory
With 100 Guns and a crew of over 800 men the Victory was one of the largest warships the Georgian Royal Navy sent into battle. Classed as a first rate ship of the line, Victory took six years to build and was launched on the 7th May 1765 at Chatham Dockyard.
At a Cost of £63,175 (approx. £50 million today), the Victory required approx. 6000 trees to build. Oak trees made up 90% of the wood used. Elm, Pine and Fir trees also supplied some of the timber used.
Overall length:
Draught - forward:
This muster roll -http://www.hms-victory.com/index.php?option=content&task=category§ionid=9&id=96&Itemid=67 - contains details of the entire ship's crew at the Battle of Trafalgar, including name, rank, age and nationality. HMS Victory had a crew of 820 men commanded by Captain Thomas Masterman Hardy. There were 9 Commissioned Officers, 21 Mishipmen and 77 Non-commissioned Warrant and Petty Officers, the rest of the crew comprised of Able and Ordinary Seaman, Landsmen, supernumeries and 31 boys.
Also within this complement was a detachment of 146 Royal Marines from the Chatham Division, commanded by Captain Charles Adair.
Apart from the 700 English, Irish, Scots and Welsh, 18 different nationalities (around 120 people in total) were represented on the Victory, at the Battle of Trafalgar.
She suffered some of the worst casualties of the Allied Fleet at the battle with 57 of her crew killed or dying of their wounds a few days later, and a further 102 wounded.
"England Expects That Every Man Will Do His Duty"
www.hms-victory.com
HMS Victory, Admiral Lord Nelson's flagship is the oldest commissioned warship in the world and is still manned by Officers and Ratings of the Royal Navy. The Victory is the only surviving warship that fought in the American Revolution, the French Revolution, and the Napoleonic Wars and is now the flagship of the Second sea Lord and Commander in Chief Naval Home Command
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HMS Victory stands today as the world's oldest commissioned warship. Still manned by Officers and Ratings of the Royal Navy, the Victory has seen over 220 years of almost continuous naval service.
Best known for her role in the Battle of Trafalgar, the Victory currently has a dual role as the flagship of the Commander-in-Chief Naval Home Command and as a living museum to the Georgian navy.
Launched in 1765 at Chatham Dockyard, the Victory was commissioned in 1778 and continued in active service for the next 32 years. In 1812 the Victory was retired from frontline duty and anchored in Portsmouth Harbour, on the south coast of England. For the next 110 years the Victory remained at her moorings in Portsmouth Harbour fulfilling a combination of practical and ceremonial roles.
In 1922, amid fears for her continued survival, the Victory was moved into Portsmouth's Royal Naval Dockyard and placed in No2 Dry Dock. Work then began on restoring the Victory to her 'fighting' 1805 condition.
Open to the public all year round, HMS Victory allows the visitor to explore the world of the Georgian navy, experiencing both the ship herself and the lives of the men who lived within her 'wooden world'.
HMS Victory
With 100 Guns and a crew of over 800 men the Victory was one of the largest warships the Georgian Royal Navy sent into battle. Classed as a first rate ship of the line, Victory took six years to build and was launched on the 7th May 1765 at Chatham Dockyard.
At a Cost of £63,175 (approx. £50 million today), the Victory required approx. 6000 trees to build. Oak trees made up 90% of the wood used. Elm, Pine and Fir trees also supplied some of the timber used.
Overall length:
227ft 6in
69.34m
Length on lower gun deck:69.34m
186ft
56.70m
Extreme breath (widest point):56.70m
51ft 10in
15.80m
Height of mainmast from waterline:15.80m
205ft
62.50m
62.50m
Burthen (weight fully loaded):
2,162 tons
2,197 tonnes
Displacement:2,197 tonnes
3,500 tons
3,556 tonnes
Depth in hold:3,556 tonnes
21ft 6in
6.55m
6.55m
Draught - forward:
23ft 9in
7.24m
Draught - aft: 7.24m
24ft 5in
7.44m
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7.44m
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The Battle of Trafalgar Muster Roll
This muster roll -http://www.hms-victory.com/index.php?option=content&task=category§ionid=9&id=96&Itemid=67 - contains details of the entire ship's crew at the Battle of Trafalgar, including name, rank, age and nationality. HMS Victory had a crew of 820 men commanded by Captain Thomas Masterman Hardy. There were 9 Commissioned Officers, 21 Mishipmen and 77 Non-commissioned Warrant and Petty Officers, the rest of the crew comprised of Able and Ordinary Seaman, Landsmen, supernumeries and 31 boys.
Also within this complement was a detachment of 146 Royal Marines from the Chatham Division, commanded by Captain Charles Adair.
Apart from the 700 English, Irish, Scots and Welsh, 18 different nationalities (around 120 people in total) were represented on the Victory, at the Battle of Trafalgar.
She suffered some of the worst casualties of the Allied Fleet at the battle with 57 of her crew killed or dying of their wounds a few days later, and a further 102 wounded.
"England Expects That Every Man Will Do His Duty"
www.hms-victory.com
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I really don't understand why the British are still so concerned over things that happened 200 years ago. Sure it's a nice history and all, but maybe it's time for some of them to realize the empire is dead. I can't imagine how anyone could think that Britain is still the influential country it once was. This man's passing is as sad as any other man's passing. I see no reason for it to be more or less important because he used to be on a ship 80 years ago.
BTW Bear, you forgot to add insulin to your list. It came out of T-dot.
BTW Bear, you forgot to add insulin to your list. It came out of T-dot.
The thing you have to realise about Britain, and its empire, Is that IT didn't want an empire.
Britain always sought to annex and conquer regions, only when their rivals were moving in. They were perfectly happy to save money on administration and garrison fees by letting the nations remain independant. They had no problems recognizing Cruzob, leaving the boers alone, dealing with native nations..
Up until the point other powers moved into the area (hey, by todays standards they are evil..but if you judge them by their peers they were fricken angels). When the germans became involved with Boers (conveniently when diamonds and gold became involved) it was time to put imperial survival first.
While Indians could not join British Social Clubs, thats another thing they added...a barrier between state and private control. While it has its bad uses, the government did not intervene in any way with private social clubs.
It isn't a bizzare coincidence that previous British governments are the most stable.
YES BRITAIN DID TERRIBLE THINGS. And while we are vastly better than Britain, so too will our ancestors be vastly better than us.
Would it be fair for people in 200 years to say Canada was a horrible tyranny because they become a more utopian society than us?
Would it be fair for them to Ignore how we changed the world for the better? To ignore how much better we were than North Korea or Iran?
To compare Britain to how we are now is silly. Its like saying a toddler is mentally defective because it isn't as smart as an adult. Britain was the empire that founded the values we hold dear, the very values we judge them upon.
Most Empires tend to become more evil and corrupt as they grow nearer their collapse, Britain is one of only a small handful who became more just and free before ending. And you gotta give it props for that.
Britain always sought to annex and conquer regions, only when their rivals were moving in. They were perfectly happy to save money on administration and garrison fees by letting the nations remain independant. They had no problems recognizing Cruzob, leaving the boers alone, dealing with native nations..
Up until the point other powers moved into the area (hey, by todays standards they are evil..but if you judge them by their peers they were fricken angels). When the germans became involved with Boers (conveniently when diamonds and gold became involved) it was time to put imperial survival first.
While Indians could not join British Social Clubs, thats another thing they added...a barrier between state and private control. While it has its bad uses, the government did not intervene in any way with private social clubs.
It isn't a bizzare coincidence that previous British governments are the most stable.
YES BRITAIN DID TERRIBLE THINGS. And while we are vastly better than Britain, so too will our ancestors be vastly better than us.
Would it be fair for people in 200 years to say Canada was a horrible tyranny because they become a more utopian society than us?
Would it be fair for them to Ignore how we changed the world for the better? To ignore how much better we were than North Korea or Iran?
To compare Britain to how we are now is silly. Its like saying a toddler is mentally defective because it isn't as smart as an adult. Britain was the empire that founded the values we hold dear, the very values we judge them upon.
Most Empires tend to become more evil and corrupt as they grow nearer their collapse, Britain is one of only a small handful who became more just and free before ending. And you gotta give it props for that.
I think what your saying is its like comparing Gramps to what he was in WW2 to what he is now. Just a tired wise old man.
Blackleaf thos pics are AMAZING!!! I LOVE old ships! Fine lines and an archatectual marvel! Thank You!
It is more like calling your grampa a horrible person because back in WWII he thought a womans place was in the home and that it was her place to have dinner on the table for 5 O Clock.
By todays standards he'd be a sexist Jackass who deserves to spend his days alone and unloved. But for the Era he was from he was a good man who fought and died to make the world a better place. And with all the work him and others like him put into it, the world moved faster than he could.
To go back and call him a bad man is delusional
By todays standards he'd be a sexist Jackass who deserves to spend his days alone and unloved. But for the Era he was from he was a good man who fought and died to make the world a better place. And with all the work him and others like him put into it, the world moved faster than he could.
To go back and call him a bad man is delusional
I agree, it's not really that fair to compare the British Empire to any other empire at the time, they were very different. The British Empire still gets a lot of stick today, partly because America has become the most dominant Megapower, which, even though they seem friendly enough towards Britain, they often cant resist the odd jibe or insult.
And besides, as I've always said, this Anti-British empire/commonwealth whatever, is usually PR done by their once-friends/turned enemies....like Mr Washington...the traitor. France, along with maybe Germany, were probably the most violent empire-builders...also two of the worst for not wanting to give them up.
Britain only formally became an empire because of Benjamin Disraeli's wheeler dealing over the dutch-east india company (a private business). But the said tactics about Britain's relaxed rule was in fact a studied one. They'd noted the way people like Alexander the Great managed to rule with a tiny amount of manpower and relaxation and followed that....only way really if you dont wanna lose all respect for from you colonies......unlike the rest.
And besides, as I've always said, this Anti-British empire/commonwealth whatever, is usually PR done by their once-friends/turned enemies....like Mr Washington...the traitor. France, along with maybe Germany, were probably the most violent empire-builders...also two of the worst for not wanting to give them up.
Britain only formally became an empire because of Benjamin Disraeli's wheeler dealing over the dutch-east india company (a private business). But the said tactics about Britain's relaxed rule was in fact a studied one. They'd noted the way people like Alexander the Great managed to rule with a tiny amount of manpower and relaxation and followed that....only way really if you dont wanna lose all respect for from you colonies......unlike the rest.