Last surviving veteran of Nelson's HMS Victory has died

[Blackleaf]

'Victory' veteran, 103, dies

December 21, 2006

Horatio Nelson's HMS Victory, used when he defeated the French at Trafalgar in 1805, was still in action with the Royal Navy until 1922. It's now in dry dock in Portsmouth where tourists are taken on guided tours around it.



THE last surviving crew member of Lord Nelson’s former warship HMS Victory from its time at sea has died aged 103.

Raymond Perrett fired torpedoes on the ship more than a century after Nelson’s triumph against the French and Spanish at Trafalgar in 1805.

As a teenager he was the last sailor to raise the signal “England Expects Every Man To Do His Duty” while the ship was still afloat in 1921.

It went into dry dock in Portsmouth in 1922.

Mr Perrett, of York, will be buried alongside his Victory hat today.

thesun.co.uk

 

[mapleleafgirl]

'Victory' veteran, 103, dies

December 21, 2006

Horatio Nelson's HMS Victory, used when he defeated the French at Trafalgar in 1805, was still in action with the Royal Navy until 1922. It's now in dry dock in Portsmouth where tourists are taken on guided tours around it.



THE last surviving crew member of Lord Nelson’s former warship HMS Victory from its time at sea has died aged 103.

Raymond Perrett fired torpedoes on the ship more than a century after Nelson’s triumph against the French and Spanish at Trafalgar in 1805.

As a teenager he was the last sailor to raise the signal “England Expects Every Man To Do His Duty” while the ship was still afloat in 1921.

It went into dry dock in Portsmouth in 1922.

Mr Perrett, of York, will be buried alongside his Victory hat today.

thesun.co.uk

a shining example of englands tyranny over the world for so long. they should burn it down and forget about it.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

firstly, I'd like you to shut up.

secondly, I'd like you to think about what you just said. Enjoy comfortable, cosy little exsistance in Canada do you?. Well, perhaps you'd like to be speaking French and worshipping the Emperor Napoleon the 112th.

Simple fact is this: Britain was amongst a large group of countries vieing for world dominance, it was a dog-eat-dog world then, where you were in or you were out. The USA was not exception, crikey, no country in the world was clean of this.

And besides, it's an old man your talking about there, a very old man who's just passed away, pay some bloody respect.

 

[mapleleafgirl]

firstly, I'd like you to shut up.

secondly, I'd like you to think about what you just said. Enjoy comfortable, cosy little exsistance in Canada do you?. Well, perhaps you'd like to be speaking French and worshipping the Emperor Napoleon the 112th.

Simple fact is this: Britain was amongst a large group of countries vieing for world dominance, it was a dog-eat-dog world then, where you were in or you were out. The USA was not exception, crikey, no country in the world was clean of this.

And besides, it's an old man your talking about there, a very old man who's just passed away, pay some bloody respect.

i dont think i have to shut up on a public discussion forum, thank you very much. and pay respect? maybe to the man, but not to what he represented. why couldnt you people stay on your little island and leave the world in peace? if i was english id be ashamed of the history of the country-blood spilled on all the continents of the world by your pesky people who insisted on their empire dominating everybody they came into contact with-ask the indians here, or the orientals or the indains in india how nice the engglish were? how about the blacks in africa? everything your people touched was tainted with the blood of the people your soldiers murdered to enforce british rule.parts of the world where the british lived where the native people of those countries couldnt even live or go! and who invented the idea of the concentration camp? hint, it wasnt hitler. it was the british in south africa. no, id not be so proud of being british if i were you, id be getting down on my collective english arrogant knees and asking the world for its forgiveness for the pillaging your people did to it for so long.

and what would be wrong with speaking french or having a french king--see the english arrogance. do you think your inbred royal family of parasites are the only decent ones to have?

shut up, yeah right...get over yourself.

 

[mapleleafgirl]

secondly, I'd like you to think about what you just said. Enjoy comfortable, cosy little exsistance in Canada do you?. .

as to this point, yes i do, no thanks to the english. dont slap yourselves on the back over us in canada-we do just fine witrhout you guys, now if only we could have the sense to dump your royal family into the ocean. bout the only good thing to ever come out of england was the beatles, and john and paul are actually irish in descent i think anyway?

 

[Zzarchov]

i dont think i have to shut up on a public discussion forum, thank you very much. and pay respect? maybe to the man, but not to what he represented. why couldnt you people stay on your little island and leave the world in peace? if i was english id be ashamed of the history of the country-blood spilled on all the continents of the world by your pesky people who insisted on their empire dominating everybody they came into contact with-ask the indians here, or the orientals or the indains in india how nice the engglish were? how about the blacks in africa? everything your people touched was tainted with the blood of the people your soldiers murdered to enforce british rule.parts of the world where the british lived where the native people of those countries couldnt even live or go! and who invented the idea of the concentration camp? hint, it wasnt hitler. it was the british in south africa. no, id not be so proud of being british if i were you, id be getting down on my collective english arrogant knees and asking the world for its forgiveness for the pillaging your people did to it for so long.




and what would be wrong with speaking french or having a french king--see the english arrogance. do you think your inbred royal family of parasites are the only decent ones to have?

shut up, yeah right...get over yourself.

Oh man, you have No clue on history. Perhaps you should read a little more about Colonial times. As a colonial power the British were as a general rule very lax. Their empire slipped away the easiest because their prime concern in their empire..was status or prestige..it was simple capitalism. They (barring certain periods) usually had no desire at all to imprint their culture on others as long as the money flowed in. When they colonized it was only because suzernity was not generally an option.

While India (most of it, some was portugese) was certainly run by Britain (which made no difference to any real Indian save the royalty, ruled from one detached noble or one 20 thousand miles away made zip diff to a peasant), Could you see any other Colonial power making Indians full British Citizens?

While other Colonial powers slaughtered natives as a matter of principle, Britain was quite happy to make arangments for the natives (though only for the financial reasons), Of course don't get me wrong..the colonials had different opinions on Britain should deal with Natives.

When you really look at the Colonial History of Britain, VS other European, Asian and African Powers it was pretty damn lenient.

Britain was the USA of today. Trendy to pick on for its evils, but in the end still better than any other country around.


So its a bit harsh to look at Colonial Britain through the looking glass of today. Yes by Today's standards they were hideous. And by the Standards of Colonial Britain the Romans were hideous..

Thats why its called human progress, in fifty to a hundred years people will look back on us as hideous savages.

Seriously Maple Leaf Girl, read a lot more history before you talk about hideous tyranny.

Edit:

The Concentration Camps were the by the CANADAIANS in South Africa, which we volunteered to go set up.

So I'd be ashamed of being a Canadian then Maple Leaf Girl, but judging by the "Maple Leaf Girl" bit, i'd say your damn proud of the Canadian Genocidal invention. Its funny to me because I have ancestors on both sides of the Boer war, Boers who died in those Concentration camps and Canadians who guarded them. I should ask myself for compensation.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

Thanks Zz...I wish people would do some more reading before bashing the British so quickly, besides which, this is about an old man, not the British Empire, disgustingly rude if you ask me to speak ill of the dead like that...plus, perhaps she should ask the vietnamese who were beheaded by the french in the early late 50's if they were *nice*

I agree, some people need to do a lot more reading.

Thanks

 

[CDNBear]

I would have to concurre with you and Zzarchov on this one Daz.

It is this lack of respect that permiates Canada, that drives me mad.

A great piece of history was lost at the passing of Mr. Perrett.

Despite what some would think of the Royal Navy. Their long and valiant traditions, ring loud in my heart. The Honour they have shown in battles, throughout time, is a trate sorely lacking the generations as of late.

Take pride in their traditions Daz, they have served you well, and you serve them well with your passion.

Hail Britannia! For she once ruled the waves with distinction and honour, the world over.

 

[sanctus]

proud of the Canadian Genocidal invention. Its funny to me because I have ancestors on both sides of the Boer war, Boers who died in those Concentration camps and Canadians who guarded them. I should ask myself for compensation.

The empire was hardly a benevolant society. The British displayed an arrogance that they still, for the most part, have today. In India, for example, though they made the people citizens of the British Empire, the Indian people could not live in British enclave nor join British social clubs. The British were concerned with power and money, as is the case of all empires. They disregarded the native populations of the lands they ruled in favour of British customs and traditions.

I have no qualms about the good aspects to the Empire, but let us not be revisionist and pretend they were wonderful, loving rulers who cherished the traditions and customs of their conquered peoples.Like all empires, the British were content to allow their subjects to live as they wanted to, as long as local customs did NOT interfere with British people and traditions.

 

[CDNBear]

The empire was hardly a benevolant society. The British displayed an arrogance that they still, for the most part, have today. In India, for example, though they made the people citizens of the British Empire, the Indian people could not live in British enclave nor join British social clubs. The British were concerned with power and money, as is the case of all empires. They disregarded the native populations of the lands they ruled in favour of British customs and traditions.

I have no qualms about the good aspects to the Empire, but let us not be revisionist and pretend they were wonderful, loving rulers who cherished the traditions and customs of their conquered peoples.Like all empires, the British were content to allow their subjects to live as they wanted to, as long as local customs did NOT interfere with British people and traditions.

As much as I would agree with you and perhaps it is my sense of Military Honour. But I felt that this thread was more about the loss of a piece of history, more then it was about the tyranny of the British Empire.

As one torn between ones roots and ones passions, I can find it in myself to see past my opinions of the colonization of Canada and territories the world over, to see the valiant galantry exuded by the Royal Navy in time imemorium. Theirs is a truely rich and Honourable legacy. Despite the effects of colonization.

 

[sanctus]

As much as I would agree with you and perhaps it is my sense of Military Honour. But I felt that this thread was more about the loss of a piece of history, more then it was about the tyranny of the British Empire.

As one torn between ones roots and ones passions, I can find it in myself to see past my opinions of the colonization of Canada and territories the world over, to see the valiant galantry exuded by the Royal Navy in time imemorium. Theirs is a truely rich and Honourable legacy. Despite the effects of colonization.

True. There is no doubt in my mind of the valour and bravery of the British forces.

I am not ashamed of our past as being part of the Empire. However, I do not see that period of history with rose-coloured glasses either, as you suggested.

Hey, who woulda thunk it, we find something to agree upon;-)

 

[selfactivated]

'Victory' veteran, 103, dies

December 21, 2006

Horatio Nelson's HMS Victory, used when he defeated the French at Trafalgar in 1805, was still in action with the Royal Navy until 1922. It's now in dry dock in Portsmouth where tourists are taken on guided tours around it.



THE last surviving crew member of Lord Nelson’s former warship HMS Victory from its time at sea has died aged 103.

Raymond Perrett fired torpedoes on the ship more than a century after Nelson’s triumph against the French and Spanish at Trafalgar in 1805.

As a teenager he was the last sailor to raise the signal “England Expects Every Man To Do His Duty” while the ship was still afloat in 1921.

It went into dry dock in Portsmouth in 1922.

Mr Perrett, of York, will be buried alongside his Victory hat today.

thesun.co.uk

Hey Daz! I saw that!!!! It's an AMAZING vessel! The turrets (think thats right) were cool too. I was moored at Pourtsmouth sailed a yacht for 4 days. It was little thing compared to THAT beauty! I dont think I want to see 103 the kids get direspectful and Id be to old to kick their bloody arse *hug* High Blood Pressure doesnt suit any of you

 

[CDNBear]

True. There is no doubt in my mind of the valour and bravery of the British forces.

I am not ashamed of our past as being part of the Empire. However, I do not see that period of history with rose-coloured glasses either, as you suggested.

Hey, who woulda thunk it, we find something to agree upon;-)

sanctus, you would be surprised what I would agree with you on. Dipsite our rather tumultuous history. You are not a lost cause, nor is your faith, as I may have indicated at some point. I think we see the samethings, but from a different vantage point. But at the end of the day, I think we will be in the same place.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

in effect, this isn't about the rights and wrongs of the British Empire, which has been thoughroughly changed and made into the commonwealth of nations. Yep, I live down the road from Portsmouth grrrr I hate to admit that, us Sotonians and the Pompey skates dont get on at all....but I have seen it also, shocking to think it was still in service till the 20's.

But I whole-heartedly agree with Zz, besmearch the British Empire all you like, but most of the things we have, the way we are, is as a direct result of the British. And as "British" I dont just include the tiny minority who stayed on this cold little island.

Just spare a thought for the old fella.

 

[Blackleaf]

I went on a guided tour of HMS Victory when I was in the Royal Navy. They show you the exact spot where Nelson died.

 

[Blackleaf]

But I whole-heartedly agree with Zz, besmearch the British Empire all you like, but most of the things we have, the way we are, is as a direct result of the British.

Britain is the most successful, and the most influential, nation that has ever existed, more so even than the United States. Around 50% of all the major inventions since 1945 are British inventions. And if it wasn't for the Industrial Revolution most countries today would still be rural, agricultural nations rather than urban, industrial nations. There would also be no United States, Canada, Australia or New Zealand.

And as "British" I dont just include the tiny minority who stayed on this cold little island.

I also hate it when people call this island "little." It is the biggest island in Europe and the 8th biggest in the world. It is a BIG island with 60 million people, not a little one.

 

[Blackleaf]

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I am not ashamed of our past as being part of the Empire.

Thank God for that, because remember that Canada is a product of the British Empire. There would be no such thing as Canada today if there was never any Empire.

And it was the British Empire that defeated forces of evil from Continental Europe twice in the same century.

I can find it in myself to see past my opinions of the colonization of Canada and territories the world over,

Good. Because how on Earth could Canada have existed if we - or anyone else - didn't colonise it? If it was never colonised it would today be a land inhabited solely by indians and eskimos, and you would be British or French or whatever.

 

[Blackleaf]

asbout the only good thing to ever come out of england was the beatles, and john and paul are actually irish in descent i think anyway?

Did you hear about the bigot who hates all things English? He makes a good living in the concreting business, because almost everything in the city depends on this industry. It’s just a pity that reinforced concrete was invented by W.B. Wilkinson in Newcastle, England.


Our bigot’s home uses electric power generated by steam turbines, which were invented by Sir Charles Parsons. Many of his home appliances use electric motors, which were invented by Londoner Michael Faraday. These range from vacuum cleaners, the invention of Englishman Hubert Booth, to sewing machines, invented by Englishman Charles Weisenhallback in 1755.


Not all of his appliances run on electric motors, though. There’s his microwave oven, based on the magnetron invented by Sir John Randall and Dr H A H Boot at Birmingham University. Or his modern central heating unit, designed by Englishman A H Barker. Even his TV set, the brainchild of Englishman Shelford Bidwell, while its production depended on the invention of the cathode-ray tube by London physicist Sir William Crookes.


All these things reminded our bigot too much of England, so he turned on his radio for news from some country more to his liking. It didn’t help much though, because he remembered that satellite radio transmitters are powered by fuel cells invented by the English chemist Francis T Bacon.


He thought of expressing his frustration by writing an angry letter. But it wouldn’t go anywhere without the postal system, created in London by Sir Rowland Hill. That is, unless he chose to send his letter by e-mail on a computer – the brainchild of Englishman Charles Babbage.


Our bigot briefly considered getting away from it all, flying off to some remote place with nothing to remind him of English genius. But then he recalled that modern jet aircraft engines were designed by English test pilot Sir Frank Whittle.

He decided to do some home chores. So he thought of washing the dishes – but his sink is stainless steel, invented by Englishman Sir Harry Brearly. And some of his utensils are made of plastic, the brainchild of Birmingham professor Alexander Parkes.


Desperate to avoid the brilliance of the English, he headed out of doors – passing on the way out his modern WC, designed by Londoner Alexander Cummings. The lawn was a bit overgrown because he couldn’t bring himself to use a lawn mower, originally designed by Edwin Budding of Gloucestershire. That’s why he scraped himself, and was briefly glad that his tetanus shots were up to date – until he remembered that immunisation was discovered by Dr Edward Jenner, another Gloucestershire man.


All this contact with things English might well give him a heart attack. It’s just as well that he’s been fitted with a cardiac pacemaker, the invention of English surgeon W H Walshe.


Perhaps by this stage our bigot is secretly wishing that he could have a transfusion of good Anglo-Saxon blood. Well, it can be arranged – thanks to James Blundell, who pioneered blood transfusions at Guy’s Hospital, London.
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Although I can think of nothing good to have come out of Canada. Your impact on the world stage has been negligible. Most people here think your capital is Toronto.

 

[CDNBear]

Although I can think of nothing good to have come out of Canada. Your impact on the world stage has been negligible. Most people here think your capital is Toronto.

Lester B. Pearson is but one.
The Candu reactor.
The Canadarm.
If you need anymore, try here...
http://www3.sympatico.ca/taniah/Canada/things/

Thinking T dot is the capital, says nothing bad about us, but rather the ignorance on your side of the pond. Especialy since, as you put it, we wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the British.

 

[CDNBear]

I can't beleive i forgot to mention the Robertson screw driver!!!