Kyoto Protocol

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Hard-Luck Henry

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Biggie said:
Sorry. Not interested.

BIGGIE
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You don't say, Biggie. Seriously, though; you don't need to waste your valuable time sharing your views with us, we already know what you're going to say. Just send a blank post and Rick's pet monkey can fill in the comments on your behalf.
 
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Gonzo

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Biggie is an idiot. People like him think that global warming is junk science but we all came from Adam and Eve. Biggie, speak for yourself, because I dont want anyone like you speaking for me. Why are you not interested in Revs links? Are you afraid you might learn something?
 
mrmom2

mrmom2

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I read an article that said if the whole world stopped using fossil fuels tomorrow it still would not do anything to stop global warming for another 50 years.Kyoto is going to do nothing for us its to weak.I suppose you have to start some where.We need tougher measures though
 
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Reverend Blair

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RE: Kyoto

Kyoto was only ever meant to be the first step, the thing to get the ball rolling. Even at that it is flawed, largely because of concessions that the US demanded before they dropped out.

It is pretty much all we've got though, the only international agreement tht even attempts to govern greenhouse gasses.

The 50 year figure for an effect has been brought into question recently because several things are happening even faster than the models predicted, mrmom. That raises the question of whether we can turn things around faster or whether things have gone so far that it it will take much longer to have an effect.
 
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Biggie

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Rev-y,

You don't know what you'r talking about.

[1] How will this Kyoto Protocol ("KP") work when the US, China, India, some of the world's greatest and up and coming polluters, have not signed it?

[2] How will the KP decrease global warming when countries like Canada will not reach their targets? In actuality, Canada will continue to increase its pollution of carbon dioxide at a projected rate of 3%. The KP does not force Canada to stop polluting. Rather, we purchase fictitious "carbon credits" from Russia, which Russia is not using. What does that mean? Pollution continues to increase because Russia, et al, were never polluting above the threshold allowed under the KP. If it is cheaper to buy these carbon credits than to reduce pollution, then pollution continues. Simple as that.

Plus, Canada is not alone in not reaching its "targets". Even countries such as the UK, Japan, France and Germany are not projected to reach theirs either. Good job KP.

[3] The KP is the result of a few radical left wingers dictating the agenda, when they had absolutely no idea about pollution, who pollutes or how to stop it.

Lefties prefer a hard line rule to stop pollution. Will businesses go along with that? Us, China, and India said no. In Canada, we won't reach our targets. What an achievement!

Instead, ideas on the right examined how we could give businesses incentives to not pollute. If we constructed an international regime under UN auspicies which offered businesses tax credits guaranteed from their national governments at 1.5 times the value of their investment in certified pollution reducing technologies, there would be many businesses doing all they could to purchase these technologies and invest in them. Resultingly, these technologies would become more advanced and efficient. Further, business would save money by not polluting or by reducing pollution. Businesses would have to invest in these technologies in order to compete with other businesses around the world.

Revy-y, next time you wish to comment on an issue, please give us your thoughts. Do not just post some weblinks. No one was interested in that - I just told you same - whether it rubs you the wrong way or not.

BIGGIE
 
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peapod

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The rev can talk a better talk than you tiny, whata are you attracted to the rev or something??? It sure looks that way to me. How weird is that 8O
 
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Biggie

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Peapod,

Please remain on topic.

Also, refrain from making any sexist or homphobic comments.

With Best Regards,

BIGGIE
 
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Reverend Blair

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Re: Kyoto

Biggie...thank you for demonstrating your lack of understanding of the Kyoto agreement and international politics. We are now all fully aware that you lack the intellectual wherewithal to understand even the most basic concepts...like how to do up your velcro shoes.

Here's a recommendation, Biggie...get your mommy to wipe the snot off your face and then spend some time reading those links. Actually take the time to understand them.

Sounds like we may be going to the polls sooner than later over this, as all opposition parties are unhappy about Kyoto and controlling greenhouse gas.
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Yup, it looks like the oil-patch dolls are going to send us to the polls all right. They've been making the noises.

I look at that as a positive thing...I think the Conservatives will lose ground on this. Canadians are by and large on board with Kyoto. They need some leadership...which Paul Martin is not giving...but they are onside. It shows up in the polls every time.

Mix that in with same sex marriage, semi-official xenophobia, and Stephen Harper's bad hair and it starts looking like we could see a bit of a shift. The Conservatives stand to lose some seats, the NDP stand to make gains. The Liberals and the BQ will remain about even with where they are now.

I'm thinking a minority where the NDP and BQ share the balance of power is fine with me.
 
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Reverend Blair

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RE: Kyoto

Yes he has been, Pea. The thing is that trolls aren't smart enough to remeber their own names, so they have to change them a lot.
 
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Biggie

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Rev-y,

Sorry mate.

I am still waiting for you to make any substantial comments either:

(i) on the Kyoto Protocol itself; or
(ii) in response to the points I raised.

Until you can, you are stilll just an anonymous signature posting weblinks.

Please apply constructively. I am not interested in personal attacks.

With warm regards,

BIGGIE
 
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