January 12th polls

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Citizen said:
The NDP is not the Communist Party of Canada (is that still around?).

Yes it is around, but that's not the point.The NDP not being a communist party makes it all the more feasible to work together.

Citizen said:
Is there a time in Canadian political history when the NDP and a Conservative government actually worked together for any length of time?

Since when has precedence been a requirement. When the Communist party in Greece formed an alliance with the NDP in Greece (NDP in Greece is right wing btw, funny coincidence), they formed a government. That was the first time in history it happened, 1989 if my memory serves me correctly.
 

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Re: RE: January 12th polls

I think not said:
The NDP not being a communist party makes it all the more feasible to work together.

The policies of both parties are so far apart your suggestion that they'd be bosom buddies is laughable! :lol:
 

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Citizen said:
I think not said:
The NDP not being a communist party makes it all the more feasible to work together.

The policies of both parties are so far apart your suggestion that they'd be bosom buddies is laughable! :lol:

You prefer to laugh as opposed to acknowledging communists and right wingers have worked together, I don't get it.
 

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I think not said:
You prefer to laugh as opposed to acknowledging communists and right wingers have worked together, I don't get it.

When in Canadian politics has there been any significant "working together" of an opposition NDP party and a conservative government?

I can't think of too many things the NDP would want to "work together" on with the conservatives should they form the next government. 8O
 

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Scenarios in the House of Commons

:arrow: Possible "Co-operation" in the House of Commons

The Liberal Party of Canada and the New Democratic Party:
This isn't an unlikely combination — they've worked quite well together in the past, notwithstanding the recent showdown of non-confidence in the House. I think that the Grits and the NDP could get quite a bit done together, as they did during the previous Session of Parliament, if the Grits and NDP were in the position to combine in order to let the Rt. Hon. Paul Martin retain prime ministership.

The Liberal Party of Canada and the Bloc Québecois:
This isn't an impossible combination; both parties being left-of-centre, I think that if the Bloc could get passed the scandals involving Québec and the Grits, they could form a "truce" in terms of policy legislation — I wouldn't put more than two or three eggs in this basket, though.

The Liberal Party of Canada and the Conservative Party of Canada:
Not in the next Parliament, at least. Not a chance, in my opinion.

The New Democratic Party and the Bloc Québecois:
Yeah, not gonna count on this combo to any significant extent. It's possible that they could team up for their purposes on same-sex marriage, and other more "liberal"-minded matters of social policy, but other than that, I wouldn't count on anything substantial developing between the two.

The New Democratic Party and the Conservative Party of Canada:
This would be an interesting combination to watch; I could see the NDP "leasing" their support in return for incorporating some NDP flare into the Tories' budget, and major legislative endeavours, but as soon as same-sex marriage, or any other matter of social policy appears before the House...

The Bloc Québecois and the Conservative Party of Canada:
This is quite a likely combination, in my opinion; but only until the Tories start rolling out social legislation, in which case I again assert that the left-of-centre parties are going to pool their resources to make the Tories' life in the Commons a living Hell.

The Left-of-Centre Opposition:
For lack of a better term, if the Tories become the Government, as soon as they begin moving toward rolling back progressive social policy, I could foresee the left-wing parties in the House of Commons banding together to block the legislation — we could see some interesting and "creative" strategies to do this. I wouldn't rule out the defeat of a Conservative Government altogether if they get too aggressive in terms of social policy.
 

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Re: RE: January 12th polls

Citizen said:
I think not said:
You prefer to laugh as opposed to acknowledging communists and right wingers have worked together, I don't get it.

When in Canadian politics has there been any significant "working together" of an opposition NDP party and a conservative government?

I can't think of too many things the NDP would want to "work together" on with the conservatives should they form the next government. 8O

And I ask you, how is precedence a requirement? It wasn't with the communists and the right wing party in Greece. It was a first.
 

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One thing that shows me that people are not just voting Tory out of anger towards the Liberals is the poll the indicates Canadians choose Harper as their most trusted leader. I think this shows the Tory vote is now more solid and less volitile as was in the last election 2004.

I think its more of just a vote for change in government then a direct shift to a conservative leaning in this country.

I've been reading a lot on Mulroney when he swept to power in 84 and it was more or less a vote for change then a shift for the PC's (albeit the utter collapse of John Turner as a debater and electioneer did help as well).

There are many parallels in this election and that of the 84 election. People want to see change in the government, the thing about Mulroney was that the way Ottawa runs really sidetracked his ambitions and sabotaged some of his plans.

The media was ferocious against Mulroney and I think they will be as well with Harper. Its not just a conservative bias either, when Dalton Mcguinty ran in Ontario as an agent of change and won, he totally reversed his position and got absolutely murdered by the media too the point that it seems that there will not be a Liberal government in Ontario for another generation after the next election.
 

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JomZ said:
the thing about Mulroney was that the way Ottawa runs really sidetracked his ambitions and sabotaged some of his plans.

Your post is a good one, however, I disagree with the above excerpt.

Mulroney spent like there was no tomorrow. He effectively sabotaged himself imo.

Then left the next government (Liberal) a monstrous deficit to pay down. Paul Martin did an excellent job at doing that, although it was necessary for him to make deep cuts to accomplish that goal.

Unfortunately, that accomplishment of Martin's seems to be working against him now.
 

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The reason that Mulroney got hit was a part his fault and a part of how Ottawa runs which is Patronage. He campaigned against it and when he came to power he fell into the system that is all about favours and power plays.

It’s a bit of both I will say. I will agree with you to a point, but it was both Trudeau and Mulroney that spent like crazy.

Apparently abandoning the resolve of debt elimination in the current financial situation that Canada was in, he decided to spend his way out of it. Canada was not economically stable in those times, it still isn’t. (The Trudeau era was about the social evolution, Mulroney was about the economic evolution…. Too a point).

He tried to entice corporations into Job creation with tax breaks it backfired.
NAFTA was more or less one sided.

We also have to remember that Chretien campaigned on getting rid of the tax code (GST) changes that Mulroney’s government brought in. Yet, he and Martin didn’t in all the 12 years in power.
 

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I have to agree with JomZ, Trudeau was horrible with the economy especially during the end of his years....he was more concerened about leaving his legacy and therefore threw us in debt.....Mr Mulroney really had nothing to spend when he came in...
 

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The History of Trudeau

In my opinion, the Right Honourable Pierre Trudeau was an above-average Prime Minister; while his Cabinet's management of the Budgets is highly questionable (I am one of the first to admit that the same is true), in my opinion, such is entirely outweighed by the social progress that he brought about in the House of Commons.

Canada is all the better for having had him.
 

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Re: The History of Trudeau

FiveParadox said:
In my opinion, the Right Honourable Pierre Trudeau was an above-average Prime Minister; while his Cabinet's management of the Budgets is highly questionable (I am one of the first to admit that the same is true), in my opinion, such is entirely outweighed by the social progress that he brought about in the House of Commons.

Canada is all the better for having had him.

I'll agree with that. But I would also say Tommy Douglas was the moral compus of that time to which Trudeau steered Canada with.