Jagmeet Singh threatens to pull NDP out of supply and confidence deal over health care

[The_Foxer]

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NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh says his party is prepared to withdraw from the supply and confidence agreement he signed with the Liberals if there is no federal action to address the health-care crisis.
The deal would see the NDP support the minority government on key votes in the House of Commons to avoid triggering an election before 2025. In exchange, the Liberals have promised to make progress on a number of NDP priorities, including health care.

Awww look at him, pretending he's all relevant and stuff

I doubt there's much in this. But - it does give some answer to the question of why Justin ordered all his people to be ready for a spring election. The budget is when the issue of funding for the provinces will be front and center, and realistically if Jaggers wants to actually pick a fight that's when he's likely to do it.

Interesting side note - the ndp backing out of the deal wouldn't automatically mean an election. The ndp and the cpc together don't have enough votes to vote down the Liberals. It would take the ndp, cpc AND the bloc voting against the libs to bring the gov't down. So if the libs did something to keep the Bloc happy then that's all it would take.

But the libs might choose to call an election based on teh ndp backing out just because it's probably the best time for them unless they replace the leader. The recession hasn't started yet, it's been weeks since his last scandal, he has more money than the ndp by far (and he must get their voters if he's going to win), PP hasn't had time yet to truly prepare for an election so he's weaker than he will be in 3 years, and the public still doesn't know him all that well.

 

[Ron in Regina]

This is the quote that got me giggling this morning from Jagmeet Singh over this was:

"Unless we get improvements in our health-care system, Canadians are going to START losing confidence in our country, in our institutions, in our ability to be there for each other."

NDP leader threatens to pull out agreement with the Liberals over health care — The Canadian Press

OTTAWA - The New Democrats are ready to withdraw from their confidence-and-supply agreement they signed with the Liberals if there is no federal action to address the health-care crisis, NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh said Monday.

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Singh wants Trudeau to meet with provincial and territorial premiers to find a solution.

Last week, the premiers publicly repeated their demand for a sit-down with the prime minister to personally hammer out an agreement to increase funding for their health systems — a demand they've been making for more than a year.

The premiers reiterated their desire to see Ottawa cover 35 per cent of health-care costs across the country, up from the current 22 per cent, by increasing the Canada Health Transfer.

During his interview with The Canadian Press, Trudeau would not commit to meeting with all premiers as requested. He said he speaks to them regularly about health care and his ministers are actively working on the issue with their provincial counterparts as well.

 

[The_Foxer]

This is the quote that got me giggling this morning from Jagmeet Singh over this was:

"Unless we get improvements in our health-care system, Canadians are going to START losing confidence in our country, in our institutions, in our ability to be there for each other."

NDP leader threatens to pull out agreement with the Liberals over health care — The Canadian Press

OTTAWA - The New Democrats are ready to withdraw from their confidence-and-supply agreement they signed with the Liberals if there is no federal action to address the health-care crisis, NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh said Monday.

apple.news

Singh wants Trudeau to meet with provincial and territorial premiers to find a solution.

Last week, the premiers publicly repeated their demand for a sit-down with the prime minister to personally hammer out an agreement to increase funding for their health systems — a demand they've been making for more than a year.

The premiers reiterated their desire to see Ottawa cover 35 per cent of health-care costs across the country, up from the current 22 per cent, by increasing the Canada Health Transfer.

During his interview with The Canadian Press, Trudeau would not commit to meeting with all premiers as requested. He said he speaks to them regularly about health care and his ministers are actively working on the issue with their provincial counterparts as well.

And i suspect this will be his play moving forward. And when the ndp rattles its saber he'll just tell them (privately) "do you want to be responsible for killing the dental plan? Because this is how you kill a dental plan."

I think the ndp will back down. But who knows, we may yet get a 2023 election out of it.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

And i suspect this will be his play moving forward. And when the ndp rattles its saber he'll just tell them (privately) "do you want to be responsible for killing the dental plan? Because this is how you kill a dental plan."

I think the ndp will back down. But who knows, we may yet get a 2023 election out of it.

I'm not convinced they will back down. They have to have done their own polling and will know they are not doing well and the alliance was a mistake. This is an issue they likely feel they can push the Liberals on and it will play out in such a way that the Liberals look bad and the NDP look less bad. The outcome will likely be an election if TrueDope decides he doesn't want to give in to the demand (assuming the BQ also vote against the confidence motion). In the case that he gives in they will play it out for a win for the NDP and a good reason to be part of the alliance.

 

[pgs]

I'm not convinced they will back down. They have to have done their own polling and will know they are not doing well and the alliance was a mistake. This is an issue they likely feel they can push the Liberals on and it will play out in such a way that the Liberals look bad and the NDP look less bad. The outcome will likely be an election if TrueDope decides he doesn't want to give in to the demand (assuming the BQ also vote against the confidence motion). In the case that he gives in they will play it out for a win for the NDP and a good reason to be part of the alliance.

Singh must be feeling the heat at the constituency level .Most NDP do not like being liberal .

 

[The_Foxer]

I'm not convinced they will back down. They have to have done their own polling and will know they are not doing well and the alliance was a mistake. This is an issue they likely feel they can push the Liberals on and it will play out in such a way that the Liberals look bad and the NDP look less bad.

Anything is possible, especially in politics. At the end of the day 3 facts remain:

1) the ndp isn't in great shape financially for another election and isn't polling very well. That makes campaigning hard. ,
2) If they are seen as responsible for the gov't falling they WILL be blamed for 'ruining the dental plan'.
3) Jaggers hasn't got his pension yet.

1 MIGHT be overcome. But 2 would be bad for them. They made all that fuss about it, and now if they back out the libs will correctly point out they put the whole plan in jeopardy. No guarantee who will win the next election it could be PP and he won't bring in a dental plan. It won't be the ndp that's for sure, and they just scuttled the current plan. So ... i guess anyone who wants to see the dental and drug plans go forward better vote liberal it's the only way.

And that will be sticky enough that it could really hurt the ndp. They have to know that. That was always the danger of the coalition.

In the end that's going to likely be how it'll play out 2,5 years from now - the ndp creating some false excuse to cancel the alliance before the next election.. They pretty much HAVE to. Or they'll just be seen as the liberals butt boys in the next election. But it's very early for them yet, What they REALLY need is for Justin to do something they can point to and pretend they forced him to do and then not go to an election.

 

[spaminator]