Israel and USA VS Iran - more fear mongering

[jimmoyer]

Paranoid Dot Calm, you bring up this euro vs dollar
issue.

I fail to see why, in your own words without
links, why using the euro over the dollar is such
a threat to America ?

If you could respond on a thread regarding
"Euro vs the Dollar Conspiracy" on the
2nd page of the Internation forum about this ?

http://www.canadiancontent.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10072

Right now if anyone dumps the dollar too rapidly,
the value of the dollar will fall and they will get
less euros to replace it.

Even the EU has admonished George Bush about
letting the dollar slide too rapidly compared to the
Euro.

Why?

Because American exports go up and EU exports
go down. Then jobs are affected. And so is
capital investment.

Now for those nations with few dollars in the bank
going to the euro has almost no economic effect.

Eventually in the long term as the dollar and euro
stay in sync causing no one short term losses, a world
currency probably will emerge.

But even this is not always desirable,
because a powerful entity dictating interest rates
must emerge and this takes away most nation's ability
to set the amount of money supply and therefore
control inflation or deflation.

Notice the trouble between EU nations that must
accept helplessly
this federal reserve like body setting of interest rates.

 

[Jersay]

Wow Calm. Youre hatred for Jews and the population of Israel is really palpable. So much it seems to have blinded you to the age old threat and one that is repeated daily, that Israel must be wiped off the globe.

Wherever does it come from, this hatred of yours?

The guy could hate Jews and the state of Israel, the guy could not.

From what I read, he was stating some facts that countries and organizations are saying if the Iranians are making a bomb.

The Russians will produce all the stuff and give it to the Iranians, the U.N. says, that even if the Iranians are making a bomb it will take 8-10 years.

Now the Israelis and the Americans have rejected these and other compromises, and even if the Iranians are doing peaceful nuclear power, they might want to use this to get rid of another regime that doesn't like Israel.

 

[jimmoyer]

Actually the Americans just approved of the
Russian deal to make heavy water for the Iranians,
probably because that's the only way to control
expansion and probably weak at that.

Saddam said his biggest mistake before attacking
Kuwait was not having the nuclear bomb before
doing so.

Other nations realize this too.

In my opinion, blaming others disguises personal
responsibility and so if we don't think it's all that
bad for nuclear proliferation to continue to other
nations because of Satan Amerika then what
are we unwittingly agreeing to ?

May be that hypocrisy is not an exclusive American
monopoly.

 

[doug]

The Russians will produce all the stuff and give it to the Iranians, the U.N. says, that even if the Iranians are making a bomb it will take 8-10 years.

Thanks for replying for someone else.

That anyone would place an iota of faith in what the UN says boggles. According to the UN then, we are 8 - 12 years away from Armageddon. Very comforting.

 

[Jersay]

So if the Americans have accepted it. All we need to do is for the Iranians to accept it because it will show they don't have an agenda and nothing will have to happen.

 

[Jersay]

Thanks for replying for someone else.

That anyone would place an iota of faith in what the UN says boggles. According to the UN then, we are 8 - 12 years away from Armageddon. Very comforting.

What is so wrong with the United Nations?

Am I suppose to listen to American and Israeli warmongering.

Wanting to join the United Nations, you are preaching to the wrong person.

 

[doug]

Boy oh boy is your bubble ever going to get bursted. Unfortunately.

 

[doug]

Wanting to join the United Nations, you are preaching to the wrong person.

It certainly seems so. So I'll stop.

 

[FiveParadox]

Valuable Institution

Personally, I think that the United Nations is a valuable institution. It endeavours to harbour peace on an international scale and, even if they haven't "succeeded" yet on an absolute basis, the work they have done is to be applauded and respected.

Jersay, if you would like to participate actively in the United Nations, then the best of luck to you, and know that you have my support — anyone who wishes to pick up, in my opinion, on the notion of international peace in an organized institution such as that of the UN is a noble person in the truest sense of the term.

 

[Jersay]

Boy oh boy is your bubble ever going to get bursted. Unfortunately.

I hear that all the time from parents, from family members and from everyone that is close to me.

And if I listened to them I would have given up my dream a long time ago. However I am a humanitarian as some would say and I want to help people.

And I can see the best way to do it is through UNICEF or the UN and not dropping bombs and 'illegal' weapons on civilians.

I want to help save people not kill them.

 

[Jersay]

Personally, I think that the United Nations is a valuable institution. It endeavours to harbour peace on an international scale and, even if they haven't "succeeded" yet on an absolute basis, the work they have done is to be applauded and respected.

Jersay, if you would like to participate actively in the United Nations, then the best of luck to you, and know that you have my support — anyone who wishes to pick up, in my opinion, on the notion of international peace in an organized institution such as that of the UN is a noble person in the truest sense of the term.

Thank you very much!

 

[doug]

An admirable and worthy goal indeed Jersay and the best of luck to you.

However the adage of an old head on young shoulders comes to mind. Don't you find it interesting that those suggesting other alternatives to assisting humankind are friends, family and those close to you. Any chance you could be so close you can't see the trees for the reality?

 

[FiveParadox]

Any chance you could be so close you can't see the trees for the reality?

Hehe, you are making me feel dumb. I have no clue in the slightest as to what that's supposed to mean.

 

[Jersay]

You might be right doug. But I wouldn't know unless I gave it a shot.

Besides when my dad warns me, he had the same philosophy when he was a young guy, however he wanted to join the Peace Core.

However, I still want to give it a shot because I can't see any other way to help out people suffering yet.

 

[doug]

Hehe. I'll bet you really do. :wink:

 

[doug]

You might be right doug. But I wouldn't know unless I gave it a shot.

Besides when my dad warns me, he had the same philosophy when he was a young guy, however he wanted to join the Peace Core.

However, I still want to give it a shot because I can't see any other way to help out people suffering yet.

It's just the way we are Jersay. If only youth knew to listen to dad I'm sure we wouldn't find ourselves in the state we do. You must do what you have to do. The enlightenment will come later.

After exposure.

 

[jimmoyer]

By the way, I think both sides can see the faults
of the United Nations, and I think all can agree
on its dysfunctional impotence, but then
we all start to disagree about those causes.

Many blame the US, and others blame the hypocrisy
of other nations.

I find both sides to be quite true about it.

What I see is the impossibility of ONE SIZE FITS ALL.

Our expectations are so different and
our expectations are so immense
that the UN cannot possibly be all things to all
different people.

I think we should look at the UN in more practical
ways.

Some organizational arms of the UN do quite well
and other areas fail abysmally.

But do not despair of these failures. They are for
good reason.

We cannot improve the UN by forcing a false
equality between all nations.

To treat everybody fairly often requires treating
everyone differently because of their makeup and
needs.

What we can accept is this:

No matter what system
we devise, no matter what rules of the process we
create, no matter what better democracy we dream,
the only change that matters is that moment in
time when a CRITICAL MASS of agreement arises
to trump all obstacles, and this critical mass usually
forms from the top up and top down at almost, uncannily, the same time.

In the meantime, the endless debate continues
and this dysfunctional seeming waste of time, organically gels together at some point.

Our best plans, our best ideas for some system
always, eventually begets a rebel, a challenge
to the status quo.

What to do ?

Keep arguing for what you believe. The end is
easily demolished but not the process. It is the process that continues.

And in between the ideologues we must tinker,
compromise and understand more.

 

[Paranoid Dot Calm]

Hi! Doug

I dislike Israel and the Jews just as much (if not more) as I dislike the U.S. and the Americans. The reasons are in regards to a review of their foreign policies.

Perhaps; I dislike the Israeli's even moreso, because it is these clowns who travel the damn world pretending to be victims in every conflict and have used this victim-status to berate the rest of us with this "somebody feel sorry for me" trip.

It was the Jewish folks who entered every courtroom in the U.S. and insisted that Christ be taken out of Christmas. And now we are stuck with "Happy Holidays".

It is AIPAC who presently before the courts in the US for spying and sharing secrets with Iran.

It is Israel who keeps selling weapon systems to the enemies of the West. They got no loyalties but unto themselves.

Enough is enough! 60 years after the damn war, they still parade their loses on the History channel night after night. 60 years after the damn war and I damn awful tired of Anne Frank fiction and re-runs of Hogan's Hero's.

If we are gonna remember anything, then let the Canadian Indian remember just how the Jewish owners of Hollywood created and directed films where the native indian was said to be worse then dogs and deserved to lose their scalps. And .... then the nerve, to charge one of them with a hate crime when he brings it into a discussion! (In the early 20th century, it was the Jewish folks who basically owned and operated Hollywood and gave us all this fiction and crap over so many years about their victimhood and yet encouraged the holocaust of many another Peoples'. Everytime the Jewish folks made a movie, they made certain that a Jew was propped up into position and shown to be a kind and gentle person. (While the rest of the "Gentiles" were said to be raving lunatics.)

Enough of the Jewish propaganda. They are worse then the Americans are.

And JimMoyer:
About the U.S. dollar and hegemony ..... I'm too lazy to teach you.
Go here: It is all explained there. And like a patriotic American, your out to destroy the U.N and what it stands for. It was good enough when you used it as an entry-way into global empire, but now it stands as a threat to the power of empire and your out to discredit it. Half the people here listen to American news broadcasts demean the U.N. and then believe it to be true.

http://www.pair-annoyed.com:9090/!DL/VisitCalmBlog.html

 

[Paranoid Dot Calm]

Hi JimMoyer

Take a cruise to these sites and wallow around in the truth for awhile. Don't come back and tell me you didn't read it because it was a hate site either. Anything anti-Jewish is said to be hate.

Well known Jewish joke that tells more about Israel and the Middle East than a thousand books: Many Jews don’t believe God exists, but they do believe that God gave them the land.

Ariel Sharon Said:
“Every time we do something, you [Shimon Peres] tell me America will do this and will do that... I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.”

Yitzhak Shamir Said:
“Neither Jewish morality nor Jewish tradition can be used to disallow terror as a means of war... We are very far from any moral hesitations when concerned with the national struggle. First and foremost, terror is for us a part of the political war appropriate for the circumstances of today...”

Ariel Sharon Said:
"People generally regard 5 June 1967 as the day the Six-day war began,'
he said. `That is the official date. But, in reality, it started two- and-a-half
years earlier, on the day Israel decided to act against the diversion of the
Jordan."

(Don’t) mention the word J**
By William Bowles
August 29, 2005
http://www.williambowles.info/ini/ini-0360.html

And, this is what a respectable U.S. Senator said about Israel leading the U.S. into the Iraq war.

Senator Hollings Is Right It's all about Israel
By Justin Raimondo
May 21, 2004
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=2621

Sen. Hollings Floor Statement
Setting the Record Straight
on his Mideast Newspaper Column
May 20 2004
http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2004/05/1695153.php

Read this:
There are only 18 million Jews in the whole damn world and about 9 million live in the U.S. which is less then 2% of the U.S. population. Look at the chapters which deal with the political influence they have. Look at the chapter which deals with the fraud of Wall Street. Wall street is crawling with economic terrorists and we just worry about those Muslim terrorists!
When Victims Rule
A Critique of Jewish Pre-eminence in America
http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/01intro.htm

Indictment Shows Washington Is 'Israeli-Occupied Territory'
Pentagon analyst Larry Franklin's espionage case has uncovered a spy nest at the top
By Justin Raimondo
June 15, 2005
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=6316

Let Us Rethink Our ‘Special Relationship’ with Israel
By Professor Charles L. Black, Jr.
September 1989
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/p-black.html
(PDF Document)
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/download/charles_black.pdf

WREMA
Links
http://www.wrmea.com/links/index.htm

Council for the national interest
Links:
http://www.cnionline.org/learn/links

Middle East Policy Council
http://www.mepc.org/public_asp/main/main.asp

International Middle East Media Center
http://www.imemc.org/index.php

If Americans Knew
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/rel-christians.html

Marwen Media
http://www.marwenmedia.com/Articles.html

Excellent starter page for information withheld by the American Press
http://www.vtjp.org/background/background_index.htm

Norman Finkelstein (A Jew who takes on the Holocaust Industry and the abuse of the word ”anti-semite” by Jewish organizations)
http://www.normanfinkelstein.com

USS Liberty (How Israel tried to kill everyone on this ship and blame it on Egypt to get US to side with them.)
http://www.ussliberty.org

The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict published by Jews for Justice in the Middle East
http://www.cactus48.com/truth.html

Norman Finkelstein (Jewish) on the Holocaust Industry
http://www.serendipity.li/more/finkel.html

What Price Israel?
http://www.alfredlilienthal.com/what_price_israel.htm

Media Monitors (Israeli Extremists and Christian Fundamentalists: The Alliance)
http://www.mediamonitors.net/grace2.html

Israel’s Discriminatory Practices are rooted in Jewish Religious Law by Israel Shahak
http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0795/9507018.htm

Jewish History, Jewish Religion - The Weight of Three Thousand Years
By Professor Israel Shahak
1994
Chapter 5
The Laws Against Non-Jews
http://www.ety.com/HRP/racehate/shahak5.htm

Zionist quotes
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Famous-Zionist-Quotes/Story637.html

More Zionist quotes
http://monabaker.com/quotes.htm

List of UN Resolutions against Israel 1955-1992.
http://www.middleeastnews.com/unresolutionslist.html

US Vetoes of UN Resolutions Critical of Israel 1972-2004
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/usvetoes.html

Mossad
http://www.fpp.co.uk/BoD/Mossad/index.html

More than 2,000 years ago the first known acts of what we now call terrorism were perpetrated by a radical offshoot of the Zealots, a Jewish sect active in Judea during the 1st century ad.
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761564344_3/association_with_Jewish_terrorism.html

Past Zionist-Jewish Terrorism -
Some Historical Facts
http://www.rense.com/general21/pastzionist.htm

From the Irv Rubin Bust to the Stern Gang: The Rich History of Jewish Terrorism
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0151/vest.php

Jewish Terrorism
http://www.hnn.us/articles/832.html

MASSACRES OF PALESTINIANS/ARABS BY JEWS/ISRAELIS AND JEWISH TERRORISM
http://www.hawaii.indymedia.org/print.php?id=2945

Jews And Crime
http://www.radioislam.org/crime/index.htm

New Response to Jewish Terrorism
http://www.ukar.org/dersho19.html

The Bombing of the King David Hotel
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/King_David.html

Vladimir Jabotinsky: Father of Jewish Terrorism
http://www.godskingdomministries.org/Birthright/Chapter11/Chapter11.htm

The Threat of Jewish Terrorism in Israel
http://www.ict.org.il/articles/articledet.cfm?articleid=45

EXAMPLES OF JEWISH TERRORISM TARGETING THE BRITISH.
http://guardian.911review.org/Palestine/terror-against-british.htm

The word "terrorist" was invented by the British to describe the
Jewish Irgun and the Stern Gang and its killers, two of whom
became prime ministers of Israel.
http://www.ijaq.net/fforum/jewishterror.htm

Sharon, the settlers, and the threat of radical Jewish terrorism in Israel
http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/jtic/jtic030702_1_n.shtml

Jewish Militants: Fifteen Years, and More, of Terrorism in France
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n2p-2_Faurisson.html

Failure of US to respond to Jewish Terrorism proved "War On Terror" is a fraud.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/JDL.html

Irgun was a Zionist paramilitary group that existed in the early 20th century
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun

A Quarter of a Million Dollars Per Settler
By Charley Reese
July 25, 2005
http://www.jerusalemites.org/articles/press/press1/98.htm

And, this is how Israel treats Christians

Israel's Christian problem
By Robert Novak
April 01, 2004
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/01/israel

 

[jimmoyer]

Well Paranoid Dot Calm, you're overwhelming
with the reading list, but I'll read it over time.

Impressive, busy web site !

Liked the puzzle.

In fact you are quite overwhelming.

May be that impatience is a virtue when you
know the truth.

I'd prefer having a two-way conversation
but what you are saying is
so true that there can be no two ways about it?


And one more matter before my reading
assignment, your characterization of my stand on the UN
was careless and incorrect, not that it really matters.

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Paranoid Dot Calm:

And like a patriotic American, your out to destroy the U.N and what it stands for. It was good enough when you used it as an entry-way into global empire, but now it stands as a threat to the power of empire and your out to discredit it.

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That hardly qualifies as an accurate depiction of my
perspective on the UN at all.