yep, that's why I've heard English historians call it a civil war, which in fact it was, but you'll never get a US citizen to agree with this, they've been drummed into them so much that we were foreigners that they don't understand that point.
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yep, that's why I've heard English historians call it a civil war, which in fact it was, but you'll never get a US citizen to agree with this, they've been drummed into them so much that we were foreigners that they don't understand that point.
Silly or not, if we can't possess Brock as a Canadian hero then we can't with any authority sing the praises of voyageurs either and their legendary feats. Surely the US was a country before its independence and we were, despite our privations and isolation, as much. To think Canada lacked any provenance during the period would be like saying an infant isn't a human being. We all start somewhere.
In the War of 1812, the US fought the British Empire. Which part of this is difficult to grasp?
If anybody doesn't understand a thing about history, it is obviously you. It's not jsut in this thread, you have repeatedly shown your lack of basic historical knowledge.
Here's a quick summary, because quite frankly, I am tired of repeating it.
In 1776, the US got rid of the bastard across the pond and became a sovereign state.
The only thing that separates human beings politically is their "passport".
The thirteen colonies ceased to exist and the United States were born.
Oh ya, if you have historians in the UK claiming the War of 1812 was a Civil War, they're part of that group in the UK that still thinks the UK runs the world.
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"In the War of 1812, the US fought the British Empire. Which part of this is difficult to grasp?"
Its entirety. Foolish statement. The US fought for control of British territory in North America. How many battles did the Americans engage the British in outside this theatre. You know, in their empire?
Its entirety. Foolish statement. The US fought for control of British territory in North America. How many battles did the Americans engage the British in outside this theatre. You know, in their empire?
calm down dude, calm down.....but did getting rid of the b"stard across the pond stop them from being English?...sures, those born AFTER 1776 can claim not to be English, but those before, nope....they were English me old mucker.
In that respect, it was a civil war...argue it all you like, but, it's like suggesting the Henry the 8th was protestant because he founded the church of England, hell no, he was a catholic, he's admit that. In their mind they may feel rebelious and certainly say "henforth I'm an American...I'm not English"...I could emigrate to Australia and live there for 30 years, but deep down I'd know I was still English because I was born on British soil...which by that time may be Europeland confederate soil or whatever, but when I was born, it was English soil and English I be born...
An objective outsider would be able to point this out...I dont wish to forever repeat myself, but it's true dude, it's true.
*Also, you may think my idea of history is wrong, as I do have an A-Level in modern history and my friend has a masters in it (and he completely agree's). My view is the English view my man, and yours is an American view, we'll never agree and certainly both our views cannot be totally true, but history is written by the victors, and although no-one actually won either American war, neither has been fully shown...although because the US is currently having it's day in the sun, it doesnt mean it's history is right...nor mine.
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No, we can't claim them as Canadian heroes! Why do we have to reach back to French and English people for our history? We've been around over 120 years, what's wrong with celebrating Canadian history from when we actually became a country?
Why do Canadians so devalue their own history since 1867? In school I hated history for that very reason. Seems like our history classes stopped at Confederation.
Hmmm, you must be from a different generation than mine. We got soaked in history. Loved it. We covered the 20th century very well. First World War and our stellar role. The Hong Kong vets and the Conscription Crisis of WWII. The booming fifties and the opening of the SLS in 1959. Maybe you've been bored to death because the emphasis in history courses has changed to social and gender issues, a move spearheaded by special interests.
To be the devils advocate, my personal opinion is that those new Americans did the British a favour....because they ended up with the best part of NorthaAmerica and that would be Canada!:canada: