Is the U.S. Insolvent

Albertabound

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Is the U.S. Insolvent ?

"In numerous years following [the Civil War], the Federal Government ran a heavy surplus.It could not [however] pay off its debt, retire as securities, because to do so meant there would be no bonds to back the national bank notes.To pay off the debt was to destroy the money supply."

Insolvent: the inability to pay financial debt

That is one reason the debt can’t be paid off: our money supply is debt and can’t exist without it. But there is another obvious reason: the debt is simply too big. To get some sense of the magnitude of a $7.6 trillion obligation, if you took 7 trillion steps you could walk to the planet Pluto, which is a mere 4 billion miles away. If the government were to pay $100 every second, in 317 years it would have paid off only one trillion dollars of this debt. That’s just for the principal. If interest were added at the rate of only 1 percent compounded annually, the debt could never be paid off in that way, because the debt would grow faster that it was being repaid. (3). To pay it off in a lump sum through taxation, on the other hand, would require increasing the tax bill by about $100,000 for every family of four, a non-starter for most families.












If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. -Thomas Jefferson
 
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AndyF

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"In numerous years following [the Civil War], the Federal Government ran a heavy surplus.It could not [however] pay off its debt, retire as securities, because to do so meant there would be no bonds to back the national bank notes.To pay off the debt was to destroy the money supply."

That is one reason the debt can’t be paid off: our money supply is debt and can’t exist without it. But there is another obvious reason: the debt is simply too big. To get some sense of the magnitude of a $7.6 trillion obligation, if you took 7 trillion steps you could walk to the planet Pluto, which is a mere 4 billion miles away. If the government were to pay $100 every second, in 317 years it would have paid off only one trillion dollars of this debt. That’s just for the principal. If interest were added at the rate of only 1 percent compounded annually, the debt could never be paid off in that way, because the debt would grow faster that it was being repaid. (3). To pay it off in a lump sum through taxation, on the other hand, would require increasing the tax bill by about $100,000 for every family of four, a non-starter for most families.

:sign7: So we do the south american route and declare all debts paid, including and especially the one on my truck. That gets paid first, then the rest of you guys are next. :toothy7:

AndyF
 

Tresson

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My question to all of you is, with our current way of banking (fractional reserve banking), do you believe that the U.S. is bankrupt. Because if they are Canada is not very far behind. Here is a clip on debt vs. GDP

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rW5KgF7OyiA&mode=related&search=

I have to say yes. Our whole economy is base on the concept that the consumers, of all types, need to be spending more money then they actually have. This sort of shecme can't last forever and when it does go bad it's going to take the rest of the world with us.
 

hermanntrude

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The US is in a unique situation in that they have the biggest debt ever, but because of the giant quantities of interest, which gives many other countries and businesses a nice little income, it would cause terrible trouble if anyone foreclosed. so they have the biggest debt ever and nothing can be done about it as far as i can tell.

I dont think a term like bankruptcy applies
 

Albertabound

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I dont think a term like bankruptcy applies

I used it as an attention grabber for those who were unsure about the word insolvent..........the inability to meet ones financial obligations.






History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance. -James Madison
 

Albertabound

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No, the United States is not bankrupt. The net worth of the United States is around $45,000,000,000,000, which is the value of all assets after the repayment of debt.


That's the problem Toro, the U.S. can not possibly ever pay off the debt.







History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance. -James Madison
 

L Gilbert

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My question to all of you is, with our current way of banking (fractional reserve banking), do you believe that the U.S. is bankrupt. Because if they are Canada is not very far behind. Here is a clip on debt vs. GDP

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rW5KgF7OyiA&mode=related&search=
I think we only owe something like $28K each and the States' folks only owe about $23K each. Dunno bout them but we could put a run on those record-profit-making banks of ours and pay off the debt with their profits. :D
 

tamarin

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The answer lies in the bullion market. Gold has always been real money. The one indisputable hard asset. Gold bugs have been trumpeting the end of the American banking system for decades. They've never got what they wanted. Interventionists including world central banks have always stepped in to stop gold's rise. Only when you see gold move above $1000 will that signal a possible imminent collapse of US dollar credibility. Until that happens the world banking system with the US buck still as its linchpin will make it through. There's always been major manipulation in the capital markets. Debt really means nothing to them as long as they can slick the wheels for any program or direction they want.
 

Albertabound

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I think we only owe something like $28K each and the States' folks only owe about $23K each. Dunno bout them but we could put a run on those record-profit-making banks of ours and pay off the debt with their profits. :iconbiggrin:

That's just the principal, it's more like $100,000/person with the interest added on in the U.S. But that is exactly the thinking needed. Due to the fractional reserve banking system we could never make a run on the banks because the don't have our money. A bank only has to have 10% of what they loan out. So you see we could never get our money back from them because it does not exist.

The U.S. debt with compounding interest is more along the lines of $700 trillion it is not fathable to even consider trying to pay this off.









If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. -Thomas Jefferson
 
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BitWhys

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No, the United States is not bankrupt. The net worth of the United States is around $45,000,000,000,000, which is the value of all assets after the repayment of debt...

not to question the figure, but where are you getting that from and why would you prefer it to this one...

Table 1.1. Current-Cost Net Stock of Fixed Assets and Consumer Durable Goodshttp://bea.gov/bea/dn/FA2004/TableView.asp?SelectedTable=16&FirstYear=2001&LastYear=2005&Freq=Year

(heh - temporalily pooched. has it pegged at just over $40T at EOY 2005)

ON EDIT: my chomp. fixed the link.
 
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hermanntrude

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ok so it's much bigger now, which makes up for the missing 5trillion.

anyway it's a giant number. once you're into the tens of trillions it hardly matters
 

Albertabound

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anyway it's a giant number. once you're into the tens of trillions it hardly matters

That is until the money changer (bankers) call in the loans, remember it has happened 5 times in America's history. And it will happen again.

Remember the Federal Reserve in neither federal or a reserve, it is a privately owned bank




History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance. -James Madison
 
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