Is the EU more united than Canada?

Machjo

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Of course not. It doesn't even have a common military force (though they are increasingly working together on that front), nor common citizenship, nor even a common currency (the UK, an EU member, still uses the pound).

However, in some respects, the EU is already more united than Canada. Whereas the Canadian federal government not only has no ministry of education, but few agreements with the provinces on common educational, professional and trade standards that are recognized nationwide, the EU has been involved at the EU level for quite some time in establishing such standards, to the degree that even relatively new members such as Poland already have integreted their standards to continental specifications.

Also, whereas an Ontarian who should fall ill in Quebec is not covered unless he has private health incurance, citizens of EU member-states now have EU-wide health insurance cards, whereby states will re-imburse one another if their citizens fall ill across the border in another EU member-state.

I remember reading too that one reason the EU has not established strong free trade ties with Canada has been the combersome process of always having to juggle between the Federal and Provincial governments in various areas of jurisdiction, making the process very frustrating for EU negotiators (a problem the UNCHR faced likewise when dealing with the issue of the Ontario Ministry of Educations violation of the UN Human Rights Charter involving preferential funding for Catholic schools over other religious schools, with the Federal government passing the buck on to the province, and the province saying that the federal government was the signatory to the UNHRC).

While I realise that part of the reason for much of this red tape in Canada has to do with an archaic constitution, should we not revise the constitution to bring it into the twenty-first century so as to allow the federal government ot better integrate educational, health, trade, and other standards nationwide, not only to make movement easier for Canadians themselves, but between Canada and the wider world too?

I'm not much in favour of centralization, but still recognize the need for a more united front none-the-less. And I'm sure that with a little imagination, we cold make Canada more united without needing to centralize poer excessively at the federal level.

Overall though, I find it shameful that in such basic respects as healthcare and education that there is more unity in a young international organization like the EU than there is in a country like Canada that has already celebrated its centenary.
 

wulfie68

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Also, whereas an Ontarian who should fall ill in Quebec is not covered unless he has private health incurance, citizens of EU member-states now have EU-wide health insurance cards, whereby states will re-imburse one another if their citizens fall ill across the border in another EU member-state.

Are you sure about this? I thought one of the reasons we dump so much money into our health care system is the universality: a Canadian is covered anyplace in Canada. Now the provinces may charge each other (and likey do charge each other through the nose) but I was always under the impression that the individual was OK.
 

Machjo

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Are you sure about this? I thought one of the reasons we dump so much money into our health care system is the universality: a Canadian is covered anyplace in Canada. Now the provinces may charge each other (and likey do charge each other through the nose) but I was always under the impression that the individual was OK.

I don't know if there may be exceptions depending on the agreement one province might have with others, but at least in the case of Ontario, if you're in Quebec, you're not fully covered. I'm not sure if there is some level of coverage, but I know you
re not as covered as in your own province. So in that respect, it's almost like going abroad. Same with educaitonal criteria. While in the EU one's qualificaitons could find them a job across the union, in Canada, a nurse could face alot of red tape going from province to province. I think high schools and universities have recognized certain basic standards, but trade and certain professional institutions still lag behind. In many respects, our provinces are like separate countries.
 

Machjo

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Same with health care in the EU. In Canada, you are covored in your province of residence. In the EU, a citizen of any member state is covered across the EU. Essentially while we have public provincial healt insurance, they have EU-wide health insurance. Granted the hospitals are still nationally run, but they all have agreements with one another and are fuy integrated into one EU-wide health plan.
 

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We should cut all ties with the EU until they lift their ban on seal skins.
Other than that there are some good government models that we could copy since our provinces operate more like little Duchies rather than part of a common country anyway.
 

Machjo

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We should cut all ties with the EU until they lift their ban on seal skins.
Other than that there are some good government models that we could copy since our provinces operate more like little Duchies rather than part of a common country anyway.

Cut all ties with the EU over seal skins? Isn't that like chopping off the head to remove a foot wart? No, I' not happy with the EU having done that. But it seems your prescription is a little strong a remidy for the illness. Why not simply put a ban on fois gras using the same compassion-argument that the EU is using gainst Canada. That way, the punishment would fit the crime; it would be a measured response.

Going back to the currency issue, I'd be all for a common North American currency if the US were willing to do the same.