Iraq Constitution

[jimmoyer]

Among many of the shallow conclusions in that article is notably the puerile thought at the end, concerning women having more rights or less rights.

This is typical thinking of an outsider, a person not aware of that society.

The real point is that women always had less rights in that culture whether under Saddam or under this new constitution. It is their culture that rules. Got it?

Statutes are almost meaningless when the culture of thinking is so dominant.

Such change is hollow when forced by statute.

Afghanistan is making a good try at it, but the women will know when and where to trust the change, or even if they are comfortable being more open and visible.

As far as all the other conclusions in that article, most are debateable and some simply unknowable.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Dismissing the rights of people...women or men...for narrow political ideology is what's puerile, Jimmy.

Iraq was a secular society under Saddam. Women had rights. They had jobs. They could drive cars. They could even show their heads in public. That's quite different than your good friends and allies in Saudi Arabia and very different than what is happening in Iraq right now.

Saddam might have been a bastard, but you had no problem with it when he was your bastard and the oil kept flowing. Now you are taking the very positive things about Hussein's Iraq and destroying them while keeping all the bad things. No surprise there...not much profit for the US in looking after people.

Your country has managed to take a bad situation and make it worse. You made it worse when you supported Saddam in crimes he is now slated to stand trial for. You made it worse when you bombed the country with depleted uranium in the 90's. You made it worse when you put sanctions in place that killed children. You made it worse when you launched an illegal invasion. You made it worse when you blamed the UN for your own failure to monitor food for oil. You made it worse when you put Paul Bremer in charge of raping the Iraqi economy. You are now making it worse by installing a puppet government that is shaping up to be as tyrannical and murderous as the worst of your allies.

 

[jimmoyer]

The rights that women had under Saddam is a chimera, for the dominant culture in each family and tribe circumscribed much of that false paradise you parade.

Your distorted picture of this reality is based on some of the more allowable liberal lifestyle in the inner more viable sectors of a city. But around the bend even one block away a lot of men certainly laid down a different law for their ladies and this unbelievably is so hard to believe, but this behavior actually occurred under Saddam.

Go figure !

Perhaps you are unacquainted with who owns the children too?


Blaming the UN for or lack of monitoring still cannot cover over how resistant the UN is to American monitoring and how resistant everyone knows the UN would have been to America using the veto on the security council to stop the Food For Oil program, a program that was severely mismanaged, allowing UN agents a little of the take, and of course allowing Saddam billions of that aid.


As far as the rest of what you said, I agree.
The rest of what you said is true.